Where are ALL the Fucking Answers ?
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Mark de LA says
"Most of the important answers Are NOT on social media!!!!
(or even the internet!)"
(or even the internet!)"
Seth says
i don't know ... try asking a question.
i don't know ... try asking a question.
Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-06 11:07:19 18219
anyway i think i got your point ... said also in this video ... i just thought it needed to be grocked in a larger context.
I think you got your own point anyway - which was my point !
Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-04 10:42:28 18219
Well a combination between construction (imagination) and anchoring in events outside of myself. That anchoring is King. I think sometimes anchoring in emotion ... other times in the logic of thought ... and of course all combinations of those varying from time to time.
Just the way i be swimming... but the world is swimming too ... humanity is swimming ... and where it goes, what is sticking there, what is successful and sustainable there ... is event to me ... the completion of the quatrain ... thought, feeling, deed, event.
Just the way i be swimming... but the world is swimming too ... humanity is swimming ... and where it goes, what is sticking there, what is successful and sustainable there ... is event to me ... the completion of the quatrain ... thought, feeling, deed, event.
Yep, it is pointless to engage with someone who thinks they have a point to make that they imagine has to be said. I am weaning myself of doing so.
Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-04 09:54:24 18219
Well false twitterings are just people being false ... their choice ... not the media's ... and false twittering do not diminish true ones ... just make them harder to find. The trick in our evolution is for us to invent communication tools that better filter for trust and positive effect. Blaming the messenger and its media and turning away from the possibilities that are obtaining is akin to throwing out the baby with his bath water.
The same goes for F2F contact ... the one does not preclude the other.
My reality is not what i imagine it to be .... rather it is anchored in what i perceive comming from outside of me. My choice that ... others have done otherwise.
Anyway this thing is happening ... anchor reality in that ... make of it what you will in each moment ... or not ... imagine it to be evil ... and guess what ... it will be evil for you.
choy 2015-04-04 09:36:22 18219
seth 2015-04-04 08:33:30 18219
one question is has the internet and media opened up vast possibilities for social contact which otherwise would not obtain ... and the answer is "yes".
Then real contact F2F (even in a room full of people with cellphones) subsides & 10000 false twitterings works its magic.
reality is what you imagine it to be.
reality is what you imagine it to be.Well false twitterings are just people being false ... their choice ... not the media's ... and false twittering do not diminish true ones ... just make them harder to find. The trick in our evolution is for us to invent communication tools that better filter for trust and positive effect. Blaming the messenger and its media and turning away from the possibilities that are obtaining is akin to throwing out the baby with his bath water.
The same goes for F2F contact ... the one does not preclude the other.
My reality is not what i imagine it to be .... rather it is anchored in what i perceive comming from outside of me. My choice that ... others have done otherwise.
Anyway this thing is happening ... anchor reality in that ... make of it what you will in each moment ... or not ... imagine it to be evil ... and guess what ... it will be evil for you.
Thanks for your imagination!
Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-09 05:16:49 18219
An interesting response ... i am curious ... how could it possibly be neither ?
MR 2015-04-08 13:18:08 18219
seth 2015-04-08 13:06:47 18219
See it all in one gallery ...
... does what we do manifest the media in which we swim
... or does the media manifest what we do?
... or both ?
see perhaps this.
... does what we do manifest the media in which we swim
... or does the media manifest what we do?
... or both ?
see perhaps this.
neither
An interesting response ... i am curious ... how could it possibly be neither ?
Neither may mean it is NOT binary & probably something else from the two presented. McLuhan said "the medium is the message" (NOT the manifestation or what you do) .... more zen than the stuff in this picture being peddled.
lots of pictures of what he meant here. I still remember this picture hard to copy. This was pre-memes.
lots of pictures of what he meant here. I still remember this picture hard to copy. This was pre-memes.
Mark de LA says
Let me repeat what I was just about to say !
Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-10 08:14:19 18219
... which does not restrain the universe anymore than saying, ' "Znuze" see "Zneeze", "Zneeze" see "Znuze" ' ... notwithstanding that it might be fun to uncover the spass.
The above was one more of the McLuhan images here .
(Yours is just firing at random without benefit of a spell checker.)
No universe restriction implied for whatever reason Bozo brought it up.
Not my circus - not my monkeys!
(Yours is just firing at random without benefit of a spell checker.)
No universe restriction implied for whatever reason Bozo brought it up.
Not my circus - not my monkeys!
Seth says
and just what is there about the nature of a message that is not also about what one does?
Einaiam 2015-04-09 08:59:01 18219
seth 2015-04-09 08:56:18 18219
Yep, McLuhan said, "the medium is the message"
... while I said, "the medium is manifested by what you do
... AND ... "manifests what you do".
In other words the two cannot be completely separated ... the one feeds the other which feeds the one.
I don't see any big contradiction between what I said and what McLuhan said ... they are more like totally different angels on a similar gestalt.
And now i am going to have put this also in mixed media ...
thanks for making that connection for me
.
... while I said, "the medium is manifested by what you do
... AND ... "manifests what you do".
In other words the two cannot be completely separated ... the one feeds the other which feeds the one.
I don't see any big contradiction between what I said and what McLuhan said ... they are more like totally different angels on a similar gestalt.
And now i am going to have put this also in mixed media ...
thanks for making that connection for me
. "message" NOT do, dude!
... but munge yourself into agreement as you please ... not my circus not my monkey.
... but munge yourself into agreement as you please ... not my circus not my monkey.
and just what is there about the nature of a message that is not also about what one does?
Seth says
Yep, McLuhan said, "the medium is the message"
... while I said, "the medium is manifested by what you do
... AND ... "manifests what you do".
In other words the two cannot be completely separated ... the one feeds the other which feeds the one.
I don't see any big contradiction between what I said and what McLuhan said ... they are more like totally different angels on a similar gestalt.
And now i am going to have put this also in mixed media ...
thanks for making that connection for me.
... while I said, "the medium is manifested by what you do
... AND ... "manifests what you do".
In other words the two cannot be completely separated ... the one feeds the other which feeds the one.
I don't see any big contradiction between what I said and what McLuhan said ... they are more like totally different angels on a similar gestalt.
And now i am going to have put this also in mixed media ...
thanks for making that connection for me
.
Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-09 08:56:18 18219
Yep, McLuhan said, "the medium is the message"
... while I said, "the medium is manifested by what you do
... AND ... "manifests what you do".
In other words the two cannot be completely separated ... the one feeds the other which feeds the one.
I don't see any big contradiction between what I said and what McLuhan said ... they are more like totally different angels on a similar gestalt.
And now i am going to have put this also in mixed media ...
thanks for making that connection for me.
... while I said, "the medium is manifested by what you do
... AND ... "manifests what you do".
In other words the two cannot be completely separated ... the one feeds the other which feeds the one.
I don't see any big contradiction between what I said and what McLuhan said ... they are more like totally different angels on a similar gestalt.
And now i am going to have put this also in mixed media ...
thanks for making that connection for me
. "message" NOT do, dude!
... but munge yourself into agreement as you please ... not my circus not my monkey.
... but munge yourself into agreement as you please ... not my circus not my monkey.
Seth says
I'm not understanding what you are saying ... back then i was trying to improve people to people communication ... and that is still what i am trying to do .
.
Mark de LA says
A selfie, straining to find the Ego & protect it, probably would feel unheard if it wasn't getting enough attention or applause!
A selfie, straining to find the Ego & protect it, probably would feel unheard if it wasn't getting enough attention or applause!
Mark de LA says
Enjoy the glow - still (all in ALL) not my circus - not my monkey .
From my point of view your stick is in your other end. Swimming is a bad metaphor. Medium is amorphous. So a bad metaphor, perhaps a circus clown) swimming in an amorphous pool of snot, would fit your description.
Wasn't always that way though.
From my point of view your stick is in your other end. Swimming is a bad metaphor. Medium is amorphous. So a bad metaphor, perhaps a circus clown) swimming in an amorphous pool of snot, would fit your description.
Wasn't always that way though.
Mark de LA says
Eiamyme 2015-04-10 11:45:55 18219
seth 2015-04-10 11:39:43 18219
Well sure many things in our culture, in the medium, pander to our thirst for personal attention. That is a good example of what we do actually creating the medium in which we swim.
Now, that a thirst to communicate, gets switched with a thirst for personal attention ... is a beauty in your eyes that i simply do not share.
Eiamyme 2015-04-10 10:40:05 18219
A selfie, straining to find the Ego & protect it, probably would feel unheard if it wasn't getting enough attention or applause!
Well sure many things in our culture, in the medium, pander to our thirst for personal attention. That is a good example of what we do actually creating the medium in which we swim.
Now, that a thirst to communicate, gets switched with a thirst for personal attention ... is a beauty in your eyes that i simply do not share.
Yet you point to your Me(I) to make sure you have a difference & distinction.
Selfies need uniqueness for attention. Agreement is rarely acceptable to a selfie Me(I).
Seth says
Well what i said here was expressed in the item titled "Connections". I did kind of take a bit of pride in coining the sentence, "the one feeds the other which feeds the one", to describe a feedback situation.
... but other that that, i cannot figure out what you are actually referring to here in this context that would make my universe any different, one way or another. ... or your universe either for that matter.
but hey, i am all ears and listening to you about this issue.
source: mark
Yet you point to your Me(I) to make sure you have a difference & distinction.
Yet you point to your Me(I) to make sure you have a difference & distinction.
Well what i said here was expressed in the item titled "Connections". I did kind of take a bit of pride in coining the sentence, "the one feeds the other which feeds the one", to describe a feedback situation
. ... but other that that, i cannot figure out what you are actually referring to here in this context that would make my universe any different, one way or another. ... or your universe either for that matter.
but hey, i am all ears and listening to you about this issue.
Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-10 12:10:49 18219
source: mark
Agreement is rarely acceptable to a selfie Me(I).
Agreement is rarely acceptable to a selfie Me(I).
... speak for yourself.
Me, I get a bit of a personal boost every time somebody really agrees with me ... and the more unique is the subject the bigger the boost. And i am not quite so sure that has anything to do with your dreaded selfie ego. It seems to me more just common human bonding.
Me, I get a bit of a personal boost every time somebody really agrees with me ... and the more unique is the subject the bigger the boost. And i am not quite so sure that has anything to do with your dreaded selfie ego. It seems to me more just common human bonding.
You just emphasized what I have been saying..
Seth says
yep, from me an assertion. to you, a question ... which, by your response, you do not want to consider at all.
Eiamyme 2015-04-11 10:07:35 18219
seth 2015-04-11 09:48:01 18219
i think a better question is what tends to happen in environments where people cooperate and agree where possible ... as opposed to a environment where they fight, mock, are stubborn and deny. Which culture is more likely to become more livable? Which part of humanity survives and sustains?
I think that a still better question might be is your question a real question, an assertion with an embedded insuation or a personal glorification of pablum?
yep, from me an assertion. to you, a question ... which, by your response, you do not want to consider at all.
Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-11 09:48:01 18219
i think a better question is what tends to happen in environments where people cooperate and agree where possible ... as opposed to a environment where they fight, mock, are stubborn and deny. Which culture is more likely to become more livable? Which part of humanity survives and sustains?
I think that a still better question might be is your question a real question, an assertion with an embedded insuation or a personal glorification of pablum?
Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-11 09:03:33 18219
There are lots of possible responses ... from fighting, to denial, to ignoring, to tolerance, to understanding, to conversion. A person is most likely to respond the way they habitually do in such situations.
So what?
Eiamyme 2015-04-11 07:56:34 18219
When the pool of selfie finds another selfie in the pool who is like itself it agrees. What is a selfie likely to do when another is NOT like itself?
There are lots of possible responses ... from fighting, to denial, to ignoring, to tolerance, to understanding, to conversion. A person is most likely to respond the way they habitually do in such situations.
So what?
So what - so what?
Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-11 06:37:08 18219
Well yes certainly it is my being that gets a charge when i partiipate in an agreement. I expect that others get a similar boost.
It is the other stories that you seem to be associating with that which i do not buy into ... for example your origninal story in this train that, "agreement is rarely acceptable to a selfie" ... I am telling you in no uncertain terms that i almost always get a boost when I can agree with another. If that is not the case over there, then that is just a difference between us.
Eiamyme 2015-04-10 14:31:31 18219
seth 2015-04-10 12:18:40 18219
yes ... er but i did not associate it with any ego selfie aug. and it can also be noted that it really does not matter whether it was my idea or the other person's. the agreement itself carries the boost ... not its association to my ego.
Eiamyme 2015-04-10 12:12:54 18219
seth 2015-04-10 12:10:49 18219
source: mark
Agreement is rarely acceptable to a selfie Me(I).
Agreement is rarely acceptable to a selfie Me(I).
... speak for yourself.
Me, I get a bit of a personal boost every time somebody really agrees with me ... and the more unique is the subject the bigger the boost. And i am not quite so sure that has anything to do with your dreaded selfie ego. It seems to me more just common human bonding.
Me, I get a bit of a personal boost every time somebody really agrees with me ... and the more unique is the subject the bigger the boost. And i am not quite so sure that has anything to do with your dreaded selfie ego. It seems to me more just common human bonding.
You just emphasized what I have been saying..
yes ... er but i did not associate it with any ego selfie aug. and it can also be noted that it really does not matter whether it was my idea or the other person's. the agreement itself carries the boost ... not its association to my ego.
LOL ... the charge +/- IS the selfie, calling yourself unbiased is selfie, being unique is selfie, continuing to argue is selfie ... pretty much can't talk about anything except out the mouth & viewpoint of selfie (..... including this)
)Well yes certainly it is my being that gets a charge when i partiipate in an agreement. I expect that others get a similar boost.
It is the other stories that you seem to be associating with that which i do not buy into ... for example your origninal story in this train that, "agreement is rarely acceptable to a selfie" ... I am telling you in no uncertain terms that i almost always get a boost when I can agree with another. If that is not the case over there, then that is just a difference between us.
That's what a selfie would say about itself.
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