NOW

PR says that one can't find experiencially NOW in the CONTEXT of Time - too slippery & requires the experience of ∞  . BUT NOW is always & stable since it is always NOW.  Time exists in the context of NOW rathert thant he other way around.  NOW is where IS is!
New thought this AM - Is there a cosmic NOW?



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Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-16 10:07:44 18252
i can see this .   At any moment i am aware of ("IS is") and experiencing certain things, yet there really is no mapping (or association) of those certain things and what time some other clock is showing. 

That is, unless one of the certain things is me looking at the clock .  In which case "time [would actually] exists in the context of NOW".

& the metamorphosis of attention yields time, eh?
 Interesting that GW in ZisZ quotes Ovid's Metamorphoses a lot.  I think it is a book similar in character to the Golden Ass & available in the Gutenberg Project (part 1 & part 2).


Mark de LA says
Eiamyme 2015-04-17 07:51:21 18252
seth 2015-04-16 10:07:44 18252
i can see this .   At any moment i am aware of ("IS is") and experiencing certain things, yet there really is no mapping (or association) of those certain things and what time some other clock is showing. 

That is, unless one of the certain things is me looking at the clock .  In which case "time [would actually] exists in the context of NOW".

& the metamorphosis of attention yields time, eh?
 Interesting that GW in ZisZ quotes Ovid's Metamorphoses a lot.  I think it is a book similar in character to the Golden Ass & available in the Gutenberg Project (part 1 & part 2).

A better one might be this free copy on Kindle.

Seth says
well yes, a metamorphosis of attention is a sequence of change, and if a sequence of change is a time, well then logically, a metamorphosis yields a time.  people who do not share the changes do not share the times ... sadly that is the way the ball bounces.  the advantage of clock time is that we all can share it ... me, i tend to choose such times.

but i rather expect that you are not talking from such a logical perspective.   since the stories of metamorphosis and the golden ass are not shared in my current moment, their deep changes are unknowns to my attention ... and is part of the sadness of our otherness.

Mark de LA says
What controls (or I may say who controls) my attention? Ever seize the NOW of metamorphosis. The root is a preposition for etymologists. What is going on when attention shifts?
meta- Look up meta- at Dictionary.comword-forming element meaning 1. "after, behind," 2. "changed, altered," 3. "higher, beyond;" from Greek meta (prep.) "in the midst of, in common with, by means of, in pursuit or quest of," from PIE *me- "in the middle" (cognates: German mit, Gothic miþ, Old English mið "with, together with, among;" see mid). Notion of "changing places with" probably led to senses "change of place, order, or nature," which was a principal meaning of the Greek word when used as a prefix (but also denoting "community, participation; in common with; pursuing"). 

Third sense, "higher than, transcending, overarching, dealing with the most fundamental matters of," is due to misinterpretation of metaphysics as "science of that which transcends the physical." This has led to a prodigious erroneous extension in modern usage, with meta- affixed to the names of other sciences and disciplines, especially in the academic jargon of literary criticism.

morph is of course shape or form
Somewhere, probably private, I tried to talk about what makes a train of thought break.
I had an epiphany years ago in a PR seminar in which I focused upon something & maintained my focus & suddenly it was like my mind was a drum set & each change was like hitting a different drum or symbol or something. Very intense!

Note to Seth/Bozo - these are questions for myself - no need to comment or disagree.


Mark de LA says
cf 7846 jengai

Mark de LA says
pc chapter on the Koan of Now is more intense.

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