The Purple Sadness of Our Otherness


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It doesn't take long to record fresh thought today ... given Google's algorithms.  

Denise is always saying that there is no such thing as fresh thought. 

I disagree. 

Yesterday nobody had ever recorded the thought, "sadness of our otherness"
... today they have 
... fresh thought proven ... true or false?

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Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-04-18 10:13:24 18256
The Tingling sandpaper of messianic Rottweilers .. must be new too! ; as a conglomeration (munge) of already existing words & concepts  but is it anything at all or worth anything?

an interesting question indeed .   it goes to the heart of what language and thinking actually is ... in this case the thought itself ... which in my case represented an actual thought i had ... follow the most specific tag on this item if you doubt ... or perhaps even remember the context in which i thought it ... after all i was talking to you.  *I* bound the sequence i wrote down to that thought.   in your case you almost certainly just wrote down a sequece of words that flashed into your mind, but there was no corresponding thought.  there is quite a distinction that we can actually notice.

Seth says
source: mark

... of course anyone that comes along could try to make something of either of them ... hence my question of worth anything showed up.  I can listen to rap music & make something of it or not; mostly NOT.

... true.  that is the nature of thought.  people re-mix it.  spinning it into more and more possibilities.   whenever there is some positive manifestation of one of those possibilities, then we could judge that it was worth that positive manifestation. 

Seth says
mark 2015-04-20 09:21:25 18256
seth 2015-04-20 09:12:00 18256
mark 2015-04-20 08:38:39 18256
seth 2015-04-20 08:32:20 18256
mark 2015-04-20 07:25:57 18256
Then too did you ever decode the Color Purple in the movie?
<= another otherness emotie

hmmm .... i think Celie loved the color purpule as do many people ... however my capricious association of purple to "the sadness of our otherness" was grounded in my wife's dislike of the color.  I had just thrown in "purple" to make my association sound like a movie title. 

the main realization was that otherness frequently feels sad, especially otherness fighting like rwg.  another reaction to otherness could be  "the wisdom of the natural seperating of being" which could be called "growing pains".   i think many people have felt this sadness when branching and division is finally necessary ... the joy of flourishing in the same train finally coming to an end.
Well if you watched the movie you would get a different association to purple (it's near the end).  Purple used to be one of my favorite colors being both red & blue combined. I think it was a color in ancient times that only royalty could wear. Otherness never feels sad to me. You are on a different train.


yeah it's been a long time since i watched the movie ... but Celie did like the color ... no?

To me purple is a peculiar color ... yes rare ... and royal ... and strange.  There is not a big +/- with me ... but my wife truly does not like the color.

It's hard for me to feel your lack of sadness at othernesss as anything other than your love of RWG ... so yes, we would certainly be on different trains there ... that is unless we are just calling different things with the same words.  I mean breaking up is hard to do ... hard for me not to feel sad.
I expressed a preference - NOT rwg like U.  How does Denise see the color purple?

well if you interpreted anything in what i said as me trying to be right at your expense of being wrong, then you misinterpreted it, for that was not what i meant. 

i love true communication and meetings of minds and understanding and cooperation.  i feel sad when that does not obtain. 

it sounds to me that you prefer "The Yellow Joy of Competition" ... well kewl ... i can respect your otherness in that regard ... competition making things better in the long run ... regardless of who wins and who looses ... obsession with winning being just a preference for self ... and not something that can be discounted.

Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-04-18 11:53:15 18256
seth 2015-04-18 11:11:38 18256
source: mark

... of course anyone that comes along could try to make something of either of them ... hence my question of worth anything showed up.  I can listen to rap music & make something of it or not; mostly NOT.

... true.  that is the nature of thought.  people re-mix it.  spinning it into more and more possibilities.   whenever there is some positive manifestation of one of those possibilities, then we could judge that it was worth that positive manifestation. 
I think there is a heap of arrogance in there of your evaluation of otherness that somehow has or should understand what you are saying.  Maybe make yourself more clear instead of trying so hard to be unique with your sayings.


Well i have no such evaluation that any other understands my words ... or "should" understand them.   Sometimes people do ... sometimes people don't.  My only evaluation is that such an understanding is possible .   I said that this way:  "Well mine could mean something to you, were you to open your mind to that thought, and perhaps to even think it."    Here i use "could" (meaning possible) not "should" (expressing an arrogant judgement).  We both know that one can lead a donkey to water, yet cannot make him drink.   Words themselves simply do not compel.  That is one of the features of human language.  A feature that perhaps should be accepted.

Seth says
source: mark

You might also notice that yours means only something to you & mine only means something to me. Enjoy the otherness. New thoughts? (I doubt it.)

Well mine could mean something to you, were you to open your mind to that thought ... and, er, perhaps to even think it.   So, the "only" part of your sentence just seems to be your choice in the matter. 

It was a new thought to me ... first time i ever thought that otherness can have a sadness attached .... or even a qualia like "purple", althought that color was (like yours) just the first thing that cropped into mind ... even though i thought of different colors and none other than "purple" seemed to be a possible qualia of otherness.  Now others may have thought (or felt) that same thought ... by nobody represented it with the word sequence "the sadness of our otherness" and got those words indexed by Google.

But even so, i think i have always felt a kind of sadness when i notice otherness that refuses to resolve into knowingness.  Perhaps you never have felt that sadness. 

Seth says
mark 2015-04-20 10:20:04 18256
seth 2015-04-20 10:07:27 18256
mark 2015-04-20 10:03:37 18256
you created the usual making the rwg Wrong... & suggested I was using it. Better luck next time.

more like i expressed my own sadness at RWG  ... which is a fact over here. 
Must be playing with yourself.


er, not really ... "the stories of metamorphosis and the golden ass are not shared in my current moment, their deep changes are unknowns to my attention ... and is part of the sadness of our otherness" ... that was said to you.   but on the bright side i may well get myself a Kindle ... the old one being stolen ... then i could read the golden ass and the metamorposis and some other things on my list ... than perhaps the otherness would resolve into knowingness ... or might remain ... who knows.

Seth says
Denise slowly went blind ... she could see colors before she met me ... and even some in the late 80's. 

Seth says
a true study of otherness might be had by a sequel to The Color Purple from the point of view of Celie's father. 

Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-04-18 14:17:47 18256
seth 2015-04-18 13:36:38 18256
Eiamyme 2015-04-18 11:55:21 18256

I think there are many aspects of uttered sentences ... the meaning to the author ... the meaning to the audience ... the effect of uttering on the author ... and the effect hearing on the audience.  In most cases i can teas all of those aspects out as separate and distinct things.
It is the meaning to the audience that counts otherwise you are wasting your breath. Unless of course you're just playing with your selfie & just pretending to be erudite & learned.



Well i doubt that it is all tha binary ... each invididual is of the upmost importance to themselves ... and feedbac in a network cannot be discounted.  then too we can well distinguish between meaning and effect ... for example the meaining of a message might be "the bomb will go off at 5:22 PM" ... the effect of that communication might be that i run and not get blown up.

Seth says
Here is an good example of this sadness happening ...

seth 2015-04-21 08:54:30 18262
mark 2015-04-21 08:42:34 18262
seth 2015-04-21 07:50:52 18262
mark 2015-04-21 06:53:20 18262
seth 2015-04-21 02:12:02 18262
mark 2015-04-20 10:22:03 18262
seth 2015-04-20 10:04:34 18262
... interesting to see sex as springing from otherness.  
The lore is that the human race sprang from hermaphrodites. See Liber M .
well I don't blieve that lore.   Sex is cooperation on a biological level.  
Who cares if you believe it or not except the selfie on your side?

... others who trust my judgement might care.   People believe stories which work ... and trust people who tell them.  In this case i trust the story told by natural history ... not the unstated one waved at by you.   Sex is biological cooperation.  Tell me a different story which works ... i am all ears.
He who has ears let him hear.   I don't care what you believe. Go to your otherness to find selfie support.


your response provokes in me the sadness of our otherness  ... intensly. 

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