Am Trying out these Eggs from Costco this AM

About: alexandre family ecodairy farms

Thought of the AM - instead of forcing via illegitimate authority small organic farms - the normal way food was produced for millenia - to prove they are organic & non-GMO,  why not force all the factory farming industry to prove scientifically that their food products cause no diseases, their ingredients are really food & their final products contain no pesticides or chemicals which produce pesticide effects such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease & autism?
Lots of luck getting that through Congress
..
Maybe for every $ BigAgriculture takes in 2ยข could be devoted to certifying organic & GMO free for the little guys.

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  1. eggs
  2. organic
  3. small farms
  4. trust
  5. consciousness

Comments


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-12 07:25:02 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 07:02:04 18320
seth 2015-05-12 05:55:42 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 00:18:13 18320
I work on mine you work on yours.  Nothing to do with COSTCO!

Yep, you assume that the word "consciousness" points to a different thingey than do I.  Like we were walking through a forest together and you say, "hear that?" while a bird and a frog both make their call, and you are talking about the bird, but i think the frog is what to hear. 
First thing in improving consciousness is not assuming anything about it.


ok i am sure that is true of bird calls.  i thought you were talking about the frog.  the assumption in question is whether we are talking about birds or frogs.  you assume birds .... i assume frogs.
I was pointing to consciousness not your awareness thingy.

Eiam says
seth 2015-05-11 08:14:40 18320
i think this "organic" certification process sucks a bag big time ... small farms have no practical way to get the certification.  So the bureaucrats are having the opposite effect from what was really intended  ... i like your way, force the big producers to prove that they are "organic" ... but i doubt that would work either.   I buy mine from the farm down the street and i know the people and can see their chickens ... i even have pictures somewhere in my phone.  It is p2p trust and i feel real good when i can buy and eat those eggs.  I don't need no stinking government Certification, i can tell by the fresh chicken shit sticking to each egg. 
Well try living in Los Angeles & getting the same connections.  My suggestion is to tax the BigAgriculture to pay for certifying organic farms & processes - not certify BigAg as organic.


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-11 09:25:43 18320
source: mark

My suggestion is to tax the BigAgriculture to pay for certifying organic farms & processes - not certify BigAg as organic.

... ok thanks, i get that now.  

anyway i doubt that the government has the wisdom to usefully (or even practically) certify.  please ma, i would rather do it myself.  it doesn't matter where they get the money to certify if their process sucks at its core and ends up discouraging what i want to happen.  Obviously that is just from my personal perspective ... but, sorry, that is the only way i know how to be real here.

People in big cities are going to have to develop a different solution than us in semi-suburbia.  There is a lot of land going to waste all over ... in every so many ways.  Ineviatably me thinks the  solution is to re-evolve the entire system from ground to distribution to kitchen.  Now if we can just get the government to take a step back and let us get on with the work of feeding ourselves, maybe some good solutions will emerge. 
lots of luck!  The current occupiers of government are trending in the opposite direction with the school lunch program and stuff like that.

Seth says
source: mark

My suggestion is to tax the BigAgriculture to pay for certifying organic farms & processes - not certify BigAg as organic.

... ok thanks, i get that now.  

anyway i doubt that the government has the wisdom to usefully (or even practically) certify.  please ma, i would rather do it myself.  it doesn't matter where they get the money to certify if their process sucks at its core and ends up discouraging what i want to happen.  Obviously that is just from my personal perspective ... but, sorry, that is the only way i know how to be real here.

People in big cities are going to have to develop a different solution than us in semi-suburbia.  There is a lot of land going to waste all over ... in every so many ways.  Ineviatably me thinks the  solution is to re-evolve the entire system from ground to distribution to kitchen.  Now if we can just get the government to take a step back and let us get on with the work of feeding ourselves, maybe some good solutions will emerge. 

Eiam says
seth 2015-05-11 09:51:27 18320
source: mark
lots of luck!  The current occupiers of government are trending in the opposite direction with the school lunch program and stuff like that.
I don't expect any party in government to have anything to do with the change.  Rather, we grass roots people have to figure it out with our own hands.  Once we get it working, the government must needs follow ... er, or we the people change the government.  Is there any other way to actually change this kind of shit?

I am fond of consciousness - Consciousness transcends government.

Eiam says
The more people become actually conscious & present in their life the better things get collectively - just the thought I offered for your question way back there. No need to argue. (not something you are likely to be conscious of since it is a selfie).


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-12 05:55:42 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 00:18:13 18320
I work on mine you work on yours.  Nothing to do with COSTCO!

Yep, you assume that the word "consciousness" points to a different thingey than do I.  Like we were walking through a forest together and you say, "hear that?" while a bird and a frog both make their call, and you are talking about the bird, but i think the frog is what to hear. 
First thing in improving consciousness is not assuming anything about it.


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-12 07:59:58 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 07:43:30 18320
It doesn't really matter what you think consciousness is. Such would be like the NOW & I thingies hard to grasp & the more you talk about them the less there is of them.



that is probably very true of your bird calls.
I don't do bird calls.


Seth says
Eiam 2015-05-11 17:20:08 18320
seth 2015-05-11 10:06:56 18320
Eiam 2015-05-11 09:58:55 18320
seth 2015-05-11 09:51:27 18320
source: mark
lots of luck!  The current occupiers of government are trending in the opposite direction with the school lunch program and stuff like that.
I don't expect any party in government to have anything to do with the change.  Rather, we grass roots people have to figure it out with our own hands.  Once we get it working, the government must needs follow ... er, or we the people change the government.  Is there any other way to actually change this kind of shit?

I am fond of consciousness - Consciousness transcends government.

me too .


What is your method of changing consciousness? 

Working on my own consciousness. There are many techniques too numerous to mention.


hmmm ... how is working on you own consciousness going to get us better eggs than the ones you so conveniently got at Costco for about a quarter each?

Seth says
Eiam 2015-05-12 09:13:13 18320
seth 2015-05-12 08:58:56 18320
source: mark"

The more people become actually conscious & present in their life the better things get collectively
... on that we agree .

I just don't think that is something that people work on alone ... you on yours, me on mine.
What I am pointing to without the legend has been called the hundredth monkey effect & some call it morphogenetic fields or simply leading by example - the old Whitewash the fence tale in Tom Sawyer.


... that was pretty much the same thing i was talking about when i said above ... "I don't expect any party in government to have anything to do with the change.  Rather, we grass roots people have to figure it out with our own hands.  Once we get it working, the government must needs follow ... er, or we the people change the government.  Is there any other way to actually change this kind of shit?"

then for some strange reason we went tilt ...

Eiam says
seth 2015-05-12 07:57:47 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 07:35:03 18320
seth 2015-05-12 07:25:02 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 07:02:04 18320
seth 2015-05-12 05:55:42 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 00:18:13 18320
I work on mine you work on yours.  Nothing to do with COSTCO!

Yep, you assume that the word "consciousness" points to a different thingey than do I.  Like we were walking through a forest together and you say, "hear that?" while a bird and a frog both make their call, and you are talking about the bird, but i think the frog is what to hear. 
First thing in improving consciousness is not assuming anything about it.


ok i am sure that is true of bird calls.  i thought you were talking about the frog.  the assumption in question is whether we are talking about birds or frogs.  you assume birds .... i assume frogs.
I was pointing to consciousness not your awareness thingy.

well true enough you used to word "consciousness" in a message to me.  you told me it was something that you were personally working on.  You have implied that it had nothing to do with that of which i am aware.  apparently you assume that what i am aware of has nothing to do with what you call to me as your personal "consciousness".  the bird did not hear the frog ... the frog not the bird ...  maybe all was silent in the forest ... yet we both know that we heard something ... do we not?
You are off in analogy not consciousness still arguing.


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-12 08:58:56 18320
source: mark

The more people become actually conscious & present in their life the better things get collectively
... on that we agree .

I just don't think that is something that people work on alone ... you on yours, me on mine.
What I am pointing to without the legend has been called the hundredth monkey effect & some call it morphogenetic fields or simply leading by example - the old Whitewash the fence tale in Tom Sawyer.


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-12 15:52:11 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 15:20:51 18320
seth 2015-05-12 14:56:44 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 14:28:24 18320
seth 2015-05-12 10:01:47 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 09:13:13 18320
seth 2015-05-12 08:58:56 18320
source: mark"

The more people become actually conscious & present in their life the better things get collectively
... on that we agree .

I just don't think that is something that people work on alone ... you on yours, me on mine.
What I am pointing to without the legend has been called the hundredth monkey effect & some call it morphogenetic fields or simply leading by example - the old Whitewash the fence tale in Tom Sawyer.


... that was pretty much the same thing i was talking about when i said above ... "I don't expect any party in government to have anything to do with the change.  Rather, we grass roots people have to figure it out with our own hands.  Once we get it working, the government must needs follow ... er, or we the people change the government.  Is there any other way to actually change this kind of shit?"

then for some strange reason we went tilt ...
... because you are still talking about externals & I am talking about consciousness.
wonder why still?

like i said above, you assume that the word "consciousness" refers to one thing, and i think it refers to something else.
Like I said before I don't assume anything about consciousness

Perhaps so, but you are talking as if the word which is spelled "c o n s c i o u s n e s s" to which you have associated one kind of experiences is the same kind of experiences which i associate with that word.  But i rather think that is not the case.  In other words this is a case where the map is the same (the word "consciousness"), but the territory is quite different.  Hence the confusion.
not doing that - I brought up the word - you want to munge it with your shit & spell it wierd - go figure enjoy the blurr .


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-12 14:56:44 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 14:28:24 18320
seth 2015-05-12 10:01:47 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 09:13:13 18320
seth 2015-05-12 08:58:56 18320
source: mark"

The more people become actually conscious & present in their life the better things get collectively
... on that we agree .

I just don't think that is something that people work on alone ... you on yours, me on mine.
What I am pointing to without the legend has been called the hundredth monkey effect & some call it morphogenetic fields or simply leading by example - the old Whitewash the fence tale in Tom Sawyer.


... that was pretty much the same thing i was talking about when i said above ... "I don't expect any party in government to have anything to do with the change.  Rather, we grass roots people have to figure it out with our own hands.  Once we get it working, the government must needs follow ... er, or we the people change the government.  Is there any other way to actually change this kind of shit?"

then for some strange reason we went tilt ...
... because you are still talking about externals & I am talking about consciousness.
wonder why still?

like i said above, you assume that the word "consciouness" refers to one thing, and i think it refers to something else.
Like I said before I don't assume anything about consciousness

Seth says
Eiam 2015-05-12 15:54:41 18320
seth 2015-05-12 15:52:11 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 15:20:51 18320
seth 2015-05-12 14:56:44 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 14:28:24 18320
seth 2015-05-12 10:01:47 18320
Eiam 2015-05-12 09:13:13 18320
seth 2015-05-12 08:58:56 18320
source: mark"

The more people become actually conscious & present in their life the better things get collectively
... on that we agree .

I just don't think that is something that people work on alone ... you on yours, me on mine.
What I am pointing to without the legend has been called the hundredth monkey effect & some call it morphogenetic fields or simply leading by example - the old Whitewash the fence tale in Tom Sawyer.


... that was pretty much the same thing i was talking about when i said above ... "I don't expect any party in government to have anything to do with the change.  Rather, we grass roots people have to figure it out with our own hands.  Once we get it working, the government must needs follow ... er, or we the people change the government.  Is there any other way to actually change this kind of shit?"

then for some strange reason we went tilt ...
... because you are still talking about externals & I am talking about consciousness.
wonder why still?

like i said above, you assume that the word "consciousness" refers to one thing, and i think it refers to something else.
Like I said before I don't assume anything about consciousness

Perhaps so, but you are talking as if the word which is spelled "c o n s c i o u s n e s s" to which you have associated one kind of experiences is the same kind of experiences which i associate with that word.  But i rather think that is not the case.  In other words this is a case where the map is the same (the word "consciousness"), but the territory is quite different.  Hence the confusion.
not doing that - I brought up the word - you want to munge it with your shit & spell it wierd - go figure enjoy the blurr .


Come on now ... i do believe i spelled the word the same way that everybody else is spelling it ... no wierd spelling ... i just put spaces in to emphacize that it is just a word that is spelled with that particular sequence of letters.  I did that to emphasize that sometimes we can talk about the word itself and not what it refers to.   In fact we must talk about the word itself just when it can be used by different people to refer to different things.  

But if you do not want to contemplate the possibility that we are using the same word to refer to different things, then that is fine with me ... it is just the way your ball is bouncing from my point of view. 

Eiam says
Something you might be fascinated with is that consciousness does not depend on words - it can exist without them. Chief proof is that after you exit the cunt on birth you don't have any nor grok language for quite a while.
Quit arguing with me about consciousness.
I think you missed the point on why consciousness was introduced into the conversation.
If you need some clues read the power of now.
Zzz..

Seth says
Eiam 2015-05-13 00:26:20 18320
Something you might be fascinated with is that consciousness does not depend on words - it can exist without them. Chief proof is that after you exit the cunt on birth you don't have any nor grok language for quite a while.
Quit arguing with me about consciousness.
I think you missed the point on why consciousness was introduced into the conversation.
If you need some clues read the power of now.
Zzz..

Well i certainly agree that what you call "consciousness" can happen without language. 

But the awareness which will manifest more natural chicken eggs in our kitchens requires some means of communication between us. 

So why did you prefer your personal inward awareness when that came up in conversation ?

Eiam says
Eiam 2015-05-12 09:13:13 18320
seth 2015-05-12 08:58:56 18320
source: mark

The more people become actually conscious & present in their life the better things get collectively
... on that we agree .

I just don't think that is something that people work on alone ... you on yours, me on mine.
What I am pointing to without the legend has been called the hundredth monkey effect & some call it morphogenetic fields or simply leading by example - the old Whitewash the fence tale in Tom Sawyer.

I've already answered your question see the above. Collectivism is fine where it works. If there is a sense of brotherhood it might work.  When the collection grows too large other forces dominate like greed, power over & governments & .. this . Eventually it will be moot when evolution forks the unconscious to a different path. Your solution works for your locale - maybe.  Is your investment in time & energy worth it?  I prefer to go to the market & buy my eggs.  Every market I go these days has an expanding organic section - even Safeway. MickeyD's is losing market share due to consciousness about the quality & contents of their product.
Consciousness when you buy something that your purchase is a vote for the way a company does business & what's in the product & how it got there is a good thing!


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