Threefoldness & the Synergy of Individuals -1005 RS

About: lecture: brotherhood and the fight for survival

source: ... The “Word” today has almost no meaning, one hears it and one has heard nothing. One has to learn to listen with one's soul, to get hold of the most intimate things with our soul. What later manifests itself in physical life is always present in the spirit first. So we must suppress our opinion and really listen completely to the other, not only listen to the word but even to the feeling. Even then, if in us a feeling will stir that it is wrong what the other one says, it is much more powerful to be able to listen as long as the other one talks than to jump into their speech. This listening creates a completely different understanding " you feel as if the soul of the other starts to warm you through, to shine through you, if you confront “her” in this manner with absolute tolerance. -

Tags

  1. otherness
  2. rs
  3. brotherhood
  4. cooperation
  5. mutual help
  6. brudershaft

Comments


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-15 11:02:13 18333
OMG ... RS's clear ode to otherness  indeed!
How specifically? What specifically did you pick up from the lecture that relates to your version of otherness?


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-15 17:13:05 18333
"specificity" is another topic, not directly related here ... no?
You recently repeated a respect for it. I was wondering where was it going to show up in your comments. As a topic it has only a general nature.


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-15 11:19:09 18333
Eiam 2015-05-15 11:06:23 18333
seth 2015-05-15 11:02:13 18333
OMG ... RS's clear ode to otherness  indeed!
How specifically? What specifically did you pick up from the lecture that relates to your version of otherness?


maybe you can hear it by emphasizing in your listening to the wrods i have underlined below ...
source: from RS

The “Word” today has almost no meaning, one hears it and one has heard nothing. One has to learn to listen with one's soul, to get hold of the most intimate things with our soul. What later manifests itself in physical life is always present in the spirit first. So we must suppress our opinion and really listen completely to the other, not only listen to the word but even to the feeling. Even then, if in us a feeling will stir that it is wrong what the other one says, it is much more powerful to be able to listen as long as the other one talks than to jump into their speech. This listening creates a completely different understanding " you feel as if the soul of the other starts to warm you through, to shine through you, if you confront “her” in this manner with absolute tolerance. -
... A comprehension of the meaning of the simple natural language  word "other" actually does hair into everything i have ever expressed about otherness.   My own opinions and feelings are not otherness ... to actually hear the otherness, they must be suppressed ... as RS is clearly saying.

specificity apparently went whoosh ....!

Eiam says
seth 2015-05-15 17:09:03 18333
anyway a great lecture indeed .  i especially echo the call for "genuine mutual help" and cooperation and believe that it does trump the fight for survival.  Where we agree is far more important than where we disagree or misunderstand. 

i picked up on the short passage you quoted where RS was talking about an attitude from one to another ... we cannot, after all, have a synergy of individuals, without the separation of one from another ... that is just the way the perdicament is setup ... and why cooperation and brotherhood is so very important.

The rest is just argument, right?


Steiner seemed to be opposing the rising of individualism especially from the Nietzsche crowd. A   certain kind of selflessness (no selfies?) can be cultivated to experience brotherhood.


Seth says
Eiam 2015-05-16 07:58:04 18333
seth 2015-05-15 17:09:03 18333
anyway a great lecture indeed .  i especially echo the call for "genuine mutual help" and cooperation and believe that it does trump the fight for survival.  Where we agree is far more important than where we disagree or misunderstand. 

i picked up on the short passage you quoted where RS was talking about an attitude from one to another ... we cannot, after all, have a synergy of individuals, without the separation of one from another ... that is just the way the perdicament is setup ... and why cooperation and brotherhood is so very important.

The rest is just argument, right?


Steiner seemed to be opposing the rising of individualism especially from the Nietzsche crowd. A   certain kind of selflessness (no selfies?) can be cultivated to experience brotherhood.


i thought Steiner did a great job of showing the relationship between individualism and brotherhood ... very topical for me ... im on the cusp of some of that ... perhaps to be reread later when i am again on the edge.   a great find indeed

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