R.S. on Lies, Thoughts & Feelings

About: every thought and every feeling is a reality | the great rudolf steiner quotes site

ibid: ... I repeat: every thought and every feeling is a reality, and for anyone with astral vision it is often much worse to see someone harbouring bad thoughts about another than to see him inflicting physical harm. When we make this truth known we are not preaching morality but laying a solid foundation for it. If we speak the truth about our neighbour, we are creating a thought which the seer can recognise by its colour and form, and it will be a thought which gives strength to our neighbour.

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One could wonder how governmental propaganda, tweeting, the Internet, blogging & the high speed highway of communication is creating the World we see in the news & visa versa.

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Eiam says
seth 2015-05-18 07:13:02 18336
source: Steiner

every thought and every feeling is a reality

... certainly not in the same way as a shared consequence.  I can think whatever thought, and if it has no consequences outside of my private mind, it would be a lie for me to think that  it counts as reality. 

Of course, my thoughts have consequences on my behavior and those affect the consequences which i share with others.  An amazingly deep feedback spiral happens, most of which i know nothing, but there is a final edge where consequenes bite ... me i don't look away from that edge to a reality of which i know nothing.  Sorry, just not what i i have decided to do in my life.
You are stuck on your shared consequences wallaby - enjoy that life but be aware it means something to you but for me the words have their trivial meaning - nothing more. Having voted in a fool for POTUS we are now suffering the shared consequences of a democracy ruled by bread & circuses.


Eiam says
Eiam 2015-05-16 12:47:55 18336
This one could almost make one a believer in the Golden Rule:
source: ... During his life a man does not merely do things which yield pleasure; he lives also in the company of other men and other creatures. Consciously or unconsciously, intentionally or unintentionally, he causes pleasure and pain, joy and sorrow, to animals and men. All such occasions he will encounter again as he lives through the Kamaloka period; he returns to the place and moment when he was the cause of pain to another being. At that time he made someone else feel pain; now he has to suffer the same pain in his own soul. All the torment I ever caused to other beings I now have to live through in my own soul.
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But, maybe that is just my (& some others)  ontologies & we can just wait & see! 



Eiam says
Eiam 2015-05-16 12:48:25 18336
Eiam 2015-05-16 12:47:55 18336
This one could almost make one a believer in the Golden Rule:
source: ... During his life a man does not merely do things which yield pleasure; he lives also in the company of other men and other creatures. Consciously or unconsciously, intentionally or unintentionally, he causes pleasure and pain, joy and sorrow, to animals and men. All such occasions he will encounter again as he lives through the Kamaloka period; he returns to the place and moment when he was the cause of pain to another being. At that time he made someone else feel pain; now he has to suffer the same pain in his own soul. All the torment I ever caused to other beings I now have to live through in my own soul.
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But, maybe that is just my (& some others)  ontologies & we can just wait & see! 


... or maybe rethink shared consequences in a whole different light.
See video of a klein bottle a funny model of the outside perspective turning into the inside perspective & visa-versa.



Eiam says
One can also munge away the "real world" with quantum entanglement if you entangle your thoughts with fantasy.


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-18 08:16:53 18336
source: mark
The sentence above is much more illustrative of how thos words can have a meaning: "Having voted in a fool for POTUS we are now suffering the shared consequences of a democracy ruled by bread & circuses."

... well, for me an interesting sentence, because you actually used the phrase "shared consequences" to mean pretty much what i coined it to mean. 
Me, i call that communication .

It might be interesting to list the consequences in that sentence that are actually shared:
  • "having voted in POTUS"  ... yep we, and the rest of US citizens, share that consequence
  • ... "we are sharing the consequences" ... yes we are

The rest of the implications in your sentence are just judgements that you share only with your anti-Obama buddies ... i expect that they resonated with that group ... almost as if they were shared.  To me they are just propaganda lies waving at a background of actual consequences which are ambiguously connected with the tangible consequences listed above. 

It might be interesting to grock how judgements are connected to actual shared consequences. 

& the somewhat less -44% who did NOT vote for him. Shared consequences of failed Iraq policy withdrawl & Syria is that ISIS is slaughtering & taking over Iraq - another objective consequence.

Seth says
source: mark

it means something to you but for me the words have their trivial meaning - nothing more
well my words, even for me, try to have no more than just their "trivial meaning" .   i try to make them as simple and direct as possible ... no hidden meaning or unspoken depth ... with no  guessing of ambiguous references necessary.   Perhaps it is their very stark simplicity that has you judging that they are trivial.   After all they are in style almost the exact opposite of GW's mysticism. 

Eiam says
seth 2015-05-18 07:47:24 18336
source: mark

it means something to you but for me the words have their trivial meaning - nothing more
well my words, even for me, try to have no more than just their "trivial meaning" .   i try to make them as simple and direct as possible ... no hidden meaning or unspoken depth ... with no  guessing of ambiguous references necessary.   Perhaps it is their very stark simplicity that has you judging that they are trivial.   After all they are in style almost the exact opposite of GW's mysticism. 
That may be your purpose finally explicit, but that is NOT what those words mean to me or perhaps choose a random person on the street. The sentence above is much more illustrative of how thos words can have a meaning: "Having voted in a fool for POTUS we are now suffering the shared consequences of a democracy ruled by bread & circuses."


Seth says
source: mark
The sentence above is much more illustrative of how thos words can have a meaning: "Having voted in a fool for POTUS we are now suffering the shared consequences of a democracy ruled by bread & circuses."

... well, for me an interesting sentence, because you actually used the phrase "shared consequences" to mean pretty much what i coined it to mean. 
Me, i call that communication .

It might be interesting to list the consequences in that sentence that are actually shared:
  • "having voted in POTUS"  ... yep we, and the rest of US citizens, share that consequence
  • ... "we are sharing the consequences" ... yes we are

The rest of the implications in your sentence are just judgements that you share only with your anti-Obama buddies ... i expect that they resonated with that group ... almost as if they were shared.  To me they are just propaganda lies waving at a background of actual consequences which are ambiguously connected with the tangible consequences listed above. 

It might be interesting to grock how judgements are connected to actual shared consequences. 


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-18 08:42:38 18336
Eiam 2015-05-18 08:34:30 18336
One can also munge away the "real world" with quantum entanglement if you entangle your thoughts with fantasy.


incidentally quantum entailment is not a consequence that i personally share with anyone ... nor is "entangleing my thought with fantacy" (see what i said above about thought if you doubt).   I  tagged 18232 with "shared consequences" because that topic was connected in a dialogue with Nathan.
.. nor the spelling either.  Did I say yet that shared consequences as you use the term doesn't mean anything to me. You missed a good connection when looking at quantum entanglement & NOW & time & the klein bottle of the Kamaloka experience here on my item. Too bad. Further use of your term here will get your comments unked.




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