consequences bozo shares with a TV comedy


Yep I have already made my peace with this notion. What I think of one who goes around announcing that one is speaking true sentences makes me laugh.


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Eiam says
Moved to a more understandable place:
seth: 2015-05-19 10:42:46

Well signs can be repositioned and the words can change and things can be refactored to better match the salient edges that our minds actually do share.  I call that working it out, others have called it a paradigm shift.  And it is usually is not very easy to grock. 

And yes, it will meet with "willful stupidity" and "arrogantl filibustering".  It will bring forth ad-hominem attacks accompanied by mad fingers trembling with deletion in autoinculcated defense of the familiar and cherished story.

"Oh well" ... as people are frequently saying around here. 

 
Me, I just trip on even a remote possibility of a binocular dialogue between the old story and a new paradig

Seth says
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Eiam says
Just because Bozo invents a language that is understood by himself (maybe) & maybe someone else does not mean that he has achieved occultism ...
(or does it? )

Eiam says
seth 2015-05-19 11:14:10 18339
well of course, the point is that consequences *are* shared regardless of thoughts of "unified dialectical contradiction".  yet consequences are those things that cannot be denied except with willfull stubbornness.  a hard reality which needs of madness to ignore.
A consequence is a story you create in your mind that explains why something happens.  It may or not have any connection with what IS or what's so.  Not scientific method proof just because a consensus thinks it is. It is not even necessarily shared any more than any other story you make up in your mind as important to you & your selfie.


Seth says
Eiam 2015-05-19 11:33:04 18339
seth 2015-05-19 11:14:10 18339
well of course, the point is that consequences *are* shared regardless of thoughts of "unified dialectical contradiction".  yet consequences are those things that cannot be denied except with willfull stubbornness.  a hard reality which needs of madness to ignore.

A consequence is a story you create in your mind that explains why something happens.  It may or not have any connection with what IS or what's so.  Not scientific method proof just because a consensus thinks it is. It is not even necessarily shared any more than any other story you make up in your mind as important to you & your selfie.


My use of the word "consequence" points to that which actually happens or causes something to happen.  it points to what IS in your sentence above.  It does not refer to a story in a mind or even a persons awareness of the consequence.  The word refers to the territory not the map in a mind.  For in this context is it the territrory that is shared ... not the map.  As far as i can tell it is the same in that regard as what you call your "direct experience" ... except that experience cannot be shared.

i really don't want to figure out what the rest of your paragraph means in this context ... for whatever it means to you it was apparently based upon a misunderstanding of where the head of an arrow was pointing.

Seth says
Eiam 2015-05-19 11:39:33 18339
Just because Bozo invents a language that is understood by himself (maybe) & maybe someone else does not mean that he has achieved occultism ...
(or does it? )

no pursuit of occultism here whatsoever.  just honest thinking in a new paradigm.

Eiam says
seth 2015-05-19 12:01:36 18339
Eiam 2015-05-19 11:39:33 18339
Just because Bozo invents a language that is understood by himself (maybe) & maybe someone else does not mean that he has achieved occultism ...
(or does it? )

no pursuit of occultism here whatsoever.  just honest thinking in a new paradigm.
For one to say that he is honest or his thinking is honest has the same truth value as I am now lying or I am now telling the truth. I always ask - says who?



Eiam says
seth 2015-05-19 12:14:51 18339
Eiam 2015-05-19 12:04:52 18339
seth 2015-05-19 12:01:36 18339
Eiam 2015-05-19 11:39:33 18339
Just because Bozo invents a language that is understood by himself (maybe) & maybe someone else does not mean that he has achieved occultism ...
(or does it? )

no pursuit of occultism here whatsoever.  just honest thinking in a new paradigm.
Your invented language is occult to me & probably most others - try it on someone you don't know already.  Occult just means secret which means known to some & not to others which is like the difference between a violin virtuoso & someone who has never played at all.


well in this case there is no "invented language" ... and even you understood it, the proof is that you used the term yourself in your own sentence to mean the exact same thing as i composed the term to mean.  in 18323 i related that term to others that are being used by others in the community and even you and GW. 
Nope!There are lots of invented languages including Esperanto and Ebonics and Ming. You just invent by assigning your own meaning to the words already existing.


Eiam says
seth 2015-05-19 12:23:58 18339
Eiam 2015-05-19 12:08:05 18339
seth 2015-05-19 12:01:36 18339
Eiam 2015-05-19 11:39:33 18339
Just because Bozo invents a language that is understood by himself (maybe) & maybe someone else does not mean that he has achieved occultism ...
(or does it? )

no pursuit of occultism here whatsoever.  just honest thinking in a new paradigm.
For one to say that he is honest or his thinking is honest has the same truth value as I am now lying or I am now telling the truth. I always ask - says who?




interesting ... i guess you really do not accept the consequences that wise men have been telling us about for centuries.  viz, that attacking the messenger with ad-honimum bs will not help with obtaining a meeting of the minds.  either that or you have no intention of engaging in cooperative communication. 

oh well.
NOPE! I just don't accept your bullshit with the same charge as you put it out as true.  Again the logic fallacy or paradox of "I am now lying" is just as much a paradox/fallacy as "I am now telling the truth (am honest)".  That point missed again is not making you happy, oh well.


Seth says
seth 2015-05-19 11:58:48 18339
Eiam 2015-05-19 11:33:04 18339
seth 2015-05-19 11:14:10 18339
well of course, the point is that consequences *are* shared regardless of thoughts of "unified dialectical contradiction".  yet consequences are those things that cannot be denied except with willfull stubbornness.  a hard reality which needs of madness to ignore.

A consequence is a story you create in your mind that explains why something happens.  It may or not have any connection with what IS or what's so.  Not scientific method proof just because a consensus thinks it is. It is not even necessarily shared any more than any other story you make up in your mind as important to you & your selfie.


My use of the word "consequence" points to that which actually happens or causes something to happen.  it points to what IS in your sentence above.  It does not refer to a story in a mind or even a persons awareness of the consequence.  The word refers to the territory not the map in a mind.  For in this context is it the territrory that is shared ... not the map.  As far as i can tell it is the same in that regard as what you call your "direct experience" ... except that experience cannot be shared.

i really don't want to figure out what the rest of your paragraph means in this context ... for whatever it means to you it was apparently based upon a misunderstanding of where the head of an arrow was pointing.

i wonder what distracted you from this train of thought?  ... then later thinking that  'root in sequence was ignored'.

We may have a confusion going between us about what terms like "actually happens" mean.  

Let us say that A causes B ... always ... verifiable so ... then if we both can verify that sequence in what actually happens, i say we have here "a shared consequence".   Isn't that clear?

Eiaming says
The word consequence is not yours;  it occurred long before you showed up. You may want to do something else with it however which I am not necessarily accepting.  When you use it to malign the occult or the significance of your point of view on the material world it is just your anti showing up. The Tao doth speak!


... says
seth 2015-07-21 08:43:22 18339
source: Elam

What I think of one who goes around announcing that one is speaking true sentences makes me laugh.
How about people who go around announcing that they know Absolute Truth?  Do those make your laugh too?
Zen 1A - them that do don't go around announcing such a thing.
Watch the video for inspiration.  Your source is bogus btw.

Seth says
... 2015-07-21 08:49:10 18339
seth 2015-07-21 08:43:22 18339
source: Elam

What I think of one who goes around announcing that one is speaking true sentences makes me laugh.
How about people who go around announcing that they know Absolute Truth?  Do those make your laugh too?
Zen 1A - them that do don't go around announcing such a thing.
Watch the video for inspiration.  Your source is bogus btw.

Well Peter Ralston's book is totally full of that assumption ... need i quote passages?

Ok the source of your item was "Eiam" , not "Elam".  Maybe i should always just source what you say to "Mark" ... your stated name keeps changing, it is hard for me to get a reliable habit in my fingers to refer to it.

... says
seth 2015-07-21 08:59:01 18339
... 2015-07-21 08:49:10 18339
seth 2015-07-21 08:43:22 18339
source: Elam

What I think of one who goes around announcing that one is speaking true sentences makes me laugh.
How about people who go around announcing that they know Absolute Truth?  Do those make your laugh too?
Zen 1A - them that do don't go around announcing such a thing.
Watch the video for inspiration.  Your source is bogus btw.

Well Peter Ralston's book is totally full of that assumption ... need i quote passages?

Ok the source of your item was "Eiam" , not "Elam".  Maybe i should always just source what you say to "Mark" ... your stated name keeps changing, it is hard for me to get a reliable habit in my fingers to refer to it.
Didn't take long to tease out untruth.  Having read more of his writings I can say with some surety that he never said "I know the absolute truth ..." You are just interpreting from your own pile of Seth.


Seth says
All i tell you is that I try  to make what I say match what I think is true ... and that i edit it, if i can, to make it even a better match.  That is in stark contrast to what you say which seems to me to be so scrambled as to be useless to think within.

My announcement does not show the same arrogance as a person who implies that one can know absolute truth ... although, yes, PR admits that it cannot be said or even represented.   As far as i can tell, based upon what he sys aboout it, it is just absolute certainty ... felt inside a person.  I got close to that numerous times in my life, didn't like it because there was no way to use it in the world.  Except of course the way PR is using it, trying to sell access to it ... i mean people really do like that kind of drug.

... says
seth 2015-07-21 09:40:02 18339
All i tell you is that I try  to make what I say match what I think is true ... and that i edit it, if i can, to make it even a better match.  That is in stark contrast to what you say which seems to me to be so scrambled as to be useless to think within.

My announcement does not show the same arrogance as a person who implies that one can know absolute truth ... although, yes, PR admits that it cannot be said or even represented.   As far as i can tell, based upon what he sys aboout it, it is just absolute certainty ... felt inside a person.  I got close to that numerous times in my life, didn't like it because there was no way to use it in the world.  Except of course the way PR is using it, trying to sell access to it ... i mean people really do like that kind of drug.
Maybe try harder & finish the material & do some of the work. Could profit by studying problems with authority figures. Do or do not, care I do not.
My first encounter with Peter was a contemplation intensive pondering & contemplating the question "Who am I?" & trying to communicate that to another person & also Peter.  I did. OTOH, the PC & BofNK books go well beyond that, but al least the challenge of communicating direct experiences became clear. Somewhere in both those books the idea that any of it is useful (RS said that as well somewhere) is yet another thing. PR said if you are looking for phenomena trip acid.  PR was studying martial arts & managed to apply his discoveries pursuing the truth of his art & such & win the title. Whether we can do that is yet to be answered. I do find daily insight with in the contemplations which reveal stuff I never grasped before about the event which I am. I can also relate to my other mentors such as GW & RS & TR etc. who pointed to  the same things in different ways & views.


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