The Meaning of My Communication IS the Response I Get

About: nlp presuppositions: the meaning of your communication is the response you get (www.ukcpd.net) - youtube

A Youtube on the subject I found with this     - (includes also the arm press test & internal dialogue)


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  1. communication
  2. arm press
  3. internal dialogue
  4. meaning
  5. item 18353

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Eiammymind says
seth 2015-05-31 11:06:20 18368
... the arm press exercise is especially useful.   Lately I have noticed myself saying when i get winded working on the farm that i am old and weak.   Maybe i should start telling myself something different .   Strangely enough the effect i want my message to have on others is that they work harder on the farm to compensate ... but the effect it has on me is to make it even harder for me to work myself.

that said i can usefully distinguish between several different things here.   There is the meaning of my communication to myself, the meaning of it to whover is listening, the effect of it on myself, and the effect of it on whoever heard it.   In any given example, those 4 things could be identified.  So i would caution anyone interpreting this message too narrowly.
The message of the NLP is simply YOU are responsible for all of them & if you are not getting the response YOU WANT be flexible in the way you communicate so that you get what you want for whatever reason!


Seth says
Well one cannot be responsible for the behavior of somebody else AND they be responsible for their behavior too.  So I see a bit of a paradox here.  If you are to be responsible for what you hear, how can i be responsible for it too.   One problem is this natural language word "responsible" which is notoriously ambiguous ... i prefer to analyze in cause and effect.  If I effect you, then it is clear that I caused that effect in you ... if it is useful to assign credit for that effect, then clearly i should be responsible for that effect. (blame seem already burned into the word responsible).  Yet at the same time if you are completely responsible for your being, everything that that it does being caused by you,  does that not also extend to the results of my effect upon you?  I got into this a bit in 18353

So, to keep this contradiction out of my thinking, i am responsible for the effect of my behavior on myself and to a certain extent on others too.  But others are responsible for interperting the meaning and effect of my behavior on them ... that is not something for which  i should take responsiblity.  I cannot make you hear me according to my intentions.  For that i have to rely on you.  ... else i have in my mind robbed you of your own responsibility for your being. 

Eiammymind says
Eiammymind 2015-06-01 06:59:27 18368
Nobody wants to be responsible these days; especially in their communication. Meaning & semantics is not logical nor mechanical - the YouTube is the NLP perspective.  I studied at cert in Austin Texas for several weeks in 1988.

Blame the listener! Your communications for a long time are all about you.  Maybe that is all a person can get out using words, language, body language & tonality (mostly f-2-f stuff) & yourself. Maybe your sentences are not crafted to make me feel good nor happy nor enlightened .. or NOT?  Who knows? I don't! You do a lot of asserting honesty, but have you examined yourself carefully?
Maybe your lecturing me about how you are different all the time is just a protection of your selfie or selfie-ism, eh? Who knows? ... is your communication crafted to be right?, me wrong?, different?, tell me something I don't already know?,
only EWE (present confusion & munge & riming slang for YOU).

Maybe Bozo should copy my response since his latest communitcation seems to me to be that he wants to control it from an item he controls instead of [my: item 18368]


EiammyHeart says
seth 2015-06-01 11:43:05 18368
Mark the things i have said here are not about you, nor are they intended to cause any good or bad feelings in you.   Rather they are about the balance between self and other.   And yes they are intended to extend the possibility that you will inform that balance. 

It was not my intent to lecture you, but rather to think out loud representing my thoughts with others in the same context.  It would be sad if you interpreted them as a lecture, but in this case, i really cannot take credit for your interpretations of my actions.  The best i can do is to articulate my thoughts just as clearly and unambiguously as i possibly can, and make my intentions transparent.  If i have failed anywhere in that regard, i can only assume, given your intent to hear, that you will ask for specific clarifications. 
Nice try! You missed the entire point by your rejection.

EiammyHeart says
seth 2015-06-01 13:39:23 18368
EiammyHeart 2015-06-01 13:26:54 18368
seth 2015-06-01 11:43:05 18368
Mark the things i have said here are not about you, nor are they intended to cause any good or bad feelings in you.   Rather they are about the balance between self and other.   And yes they are intended to extend the possibility that you will inform that balance. 

It was not my intent to lecture you, but rather to think out loud representing my thoughts with others in the same context.  It would be sad if you interpreted them as a lecture, but in this case, i really cannot take credit for your interpretations of my actions.  The best i can do is to articulate my thoughts just as clearly and unambiguously as i possibly can, and make my intentions transparent.  If i have failed anywhere in that regard, i can only assume, given your intent to hear, that you will ask for specific clarifications. 
Nice try! You missed the entire point by your rejection.

Well, FYI, i cannot guess what you think i rejected, nor what point you think i missed.
So what? I don't care to continue in this.


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