Action and Story


There is a distinction between action that happens before its corresponding story, and action that happens after its corresponding story.

Now i intentionally stated that from the point of view of action, rather than story.  A more traditional representation of that thought would be:  There is a distinction between story that follows action and explains or rationalizes it, and story that happens before an action and predicts or calculates its results.

Pre and post stories are very different ... they have different consequences.

Take for example statistics.  Well i haven't a story to tell about that yet, but it would obviously get into the whole extensional stance bru ha ha ... and, strangely enough might connect with quantum entanglement.  Which is why i think it is a fertile area to think before any actions happen in that regard ... except of course this story here ...
... that one is suppose to be funny 

Incidentally, this author thinks that one can tell the story above and substitute the word "though" for the word "story" and preserve its ring of truth.  In other words i am talking about thought, i am just using the word "story" to talk about it.

I think the story must also be told here that action itself is pure, it is that which has consequences ... it exists ... it be ... it has being, in some parlance.  It cannot be changed by any post story about it.  ... is that universally true?

Also it just came to me attention that a story is not necessarily only pre-action or post-action because a story can start in the past and extend to the future.  Any experienced NOW being a duration of time and not a infinitely thin slice thereof. 

anyway, food for later thought ...

Incidentally, in case sombody reads this later,  this item was not initially about the path to Zen consciousness, which dialogue ensued below.  Instead it was about the relationship between action and story (thought).

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  1. extensional stance
  2. extensional
  3. thought
  4. action
  5. statistics
  6. quantum entanglement
  7. story
  8. time
  9. now
  10. item 18396
  11. pr

Comments


Seth says
source: mark

Your distinctions don't make much sense to me
which distinction doesn't make much sense to you?   The only big distinction that i have made here is that there are stories that are told before (pre-stories) the action, and stories that are told after the action (post-stories) ... does that distinction make sense to you?

PR seems to imply in what you quoted here that stories always relate to the person telling the story.  I just haven't found that to be the case.  But i am sure that when many people think about their lives that their thoughts are always in some way about them in their lives.  I do that too ... but not all the time.  How does that not make sense to you?

Seth says
Eiammy.. 2015-06-08 06:49:53 18389
How synchronous. I am just in the part of Pursuing Consciousness by Peter Ralston that is Chapter Nine: Transcending Your Life Story. An interesting quote/teaser is below. Please do not re-publish as that might violate his copyright. The story of yours & my life like all stories has just a little truth in it.



yes PR is talking about story that follows action ... i characterized it as "story that follows action and explains or rationalizes it" ... it seems like he has added some more words to that narrative. 

Beyond that it is unclear what he means when he says "it goes unrecognized for what it is because it is taken for granted and simply held as a reflection on reality or life".   A story about actions that already happend is a reflection of them, in my manner of speaking ...  so what specifically is the distinction that he is drawing?

Seth says
Eiammy.. 2015-06-08 06:54:25 18389
... more of the picture sec 9:10 (ibid)


yes, true, that is the nature of telling a story.  but that "it always relates to you in some way" is just part of PR's narrative ... it does not necessarily apply to everybody. many stories are told that do not relate to the the person telling the story.  

Seth says
seth 2015-06-08 08:20:34 18389
Eiammy.. 2015-06-08 06:54:25 18389
... more of the picture sec 9:10 (ibid)


yes, true, that is the nature of telling a story.  but that "it always relates to you in some way" is just part of PR's narrative ... it does not necessarily apply to everybody. many stories are told that do not relate to the the person telling the story.  

I keep wondering: is PR's insistence that it is all about one's private ego, is really pointing in the right direction?  Seems to me that it is just providing people a grand excuse to be egotistical.  No Zen there.  Of course if he is saying, hey watch how you knee-jerk-habitually  make everything about yourself to point you in the opposite direction of noticing that everything is not all just about yourself, then perhaps his message would seem valid to me.  But then, he never says that does he?  So then, sans that message,  PR's consciousness is just private ego consciousness ... er, awareness of self ... with the presumption that everything else is just more of the self same self.  Now that assumption may well be true ... though it rings false to me experientially.  But assume it is true for a moment ... then what about you ... what about you dear bro ... apparently you don't count at all ... woopse, sorry about that

So no,  "not my tempo" ... watch The Drummer for a dramatization of that phrase.

Seth says
source: PR

The story may change or ramble, and the subject matter may vary, but it always relates to you in some way -- even if only in that you are both speaker and listener. 

So if i listen to a story it somehow "relates" to me?   That has not been my experience.  Now there is no doubt that if i listen to a story, or tell a story, that i am interpreting that story and it is my being actively doing that ... but that interpretation my well have nothing to do with my self.  Though i have known people who act as if everything that is said is not separable from themselves. 

I find only confusion in PR's words leading in the wrong direction ... and not just in this one place. 

Eiammy.. says
Try reading the book it is really cheap! His point is to free oneself from what is you-self so you can become conscious of what's so.

Seth says
Eiammy.. 2015-06-09 12:22:13 18389
Try reading the book it is really cheap! His point is to free oneself from what is you-self so you can become conscious of what's so.


Well ok sure, i would expect that PR would inevitably say:  clear all the stories away and then enlightened consciousness appears ... after all that is the traditional Zen path. 

You claim you are making progress ... yet more and more all i get from you is the sensitivity of your ego, and you poking me in mine.  It is so very hard for me to reconcile that undeniable experience with some Zen state of consciousness happening over there.  Your insides being enlightened, your outsides interacting dastardly.  Sorry I can't call that consciousness. 

Anyway, perhaps you are right after all ... time for us to give up trying to have useful dialogue ... too much wasted energy with no real in-depth communication happening.  We have gotten ourselves checkmated ... too bad ... oh well ... time to accept what apparently is so.

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