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Bozo will catch up in a decade or two & realize that a classification is just in the mind & not the thing being classified & has no personality - just an abstraction.   That which IS is not the same as "that which is about that which IS" .... Or maybe not:

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  2. paranoia
  3. social constructs
  4. consensus reality

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seth 2015-06-16 09:54:15 18423
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Patterns don't necessarily mean anything except in the mind of the pattern maker.  Witness the features that paranoia create in the mind of making patterns on the meaning etc of things in the world.


true .

Consensus realities (recently called social-constructs and/or political correctness) are the very same kind of patterns in people's minds ... the only difference is that people come to agree on the ones that get sustained.   Another difference between personal private patterns and cultural ones is that private patterns are more frequently at odds with objectively observable facts.  Cultural patterns, because they must be shared, are usually somewhat grounded in fact ... but not always.  There is after all mass hysteria and people believing in propaganda ... especially where there just are no objective facts of the matter.  
Knowing what's in your wallet is the trick
concensus reality is nothing more than gathering your club around you for protecting your Egoo.
It can have no claim on the truth - just what you believe.


Seth says
source: mark

concensus reality is nothing more than gathering your club around you for protecting your Egoo.
It can have no claim on the truth - just what you believe.

Well i agree, in a manner of speaking, "consensus reality is gathering your club around you" ... and yes it is an excellent strategy for survival. 

You and I disagree on what the word "truth" means ... i use to to refer to my feeling about a proposition which matches my experience or the experience of those whom i trust.   It seems that you use the word to refer to something independent of your own feelings or experience.  Unfortunately you have not been able to share what you call "truth" with me, so i cannot experience it.  We discussed this in the most recent item in the room truth.  

I said that to say that there is scant use in us using that word with each other unless we make it clear which sense of the word is being used.  In other words, in my weltanschauung, there is only what you believe and experience and what has consequences for you and other people ... nothing else can be experienced or trusted.  To speak of a truth apart from that is at best to speak of a dream or at worst to make a category error.   In other words, consensus reality has as much claim to what i call truth as anything else that i can possibly experience.

... says
Even more simply:
Racism exists when a person uses the distinctions of race to obtain leverage over another whether it is in their favor or against it.
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It is a manipulation of self over others to build one's Ego to make up for past encounters with one's own Ego flaws - the bottom lines underneath:
  • anger
  • incapacity - incapability
  • jealousy
  • fear
  • deficiency
  • desire
  • pain
  • ...

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seth 2015-06-16 11:05:47 18423
source: mark

concensus reality is nothing more than gathering your club around you for protecting your Egoo.
It can have no claim on the truth - just what you believe.

Well i agree, in a manner of speaking, "consensus reality is gathering your club around you" ... and yes it is an excellent strategy for survival. 

You and I disagree on what the word "truth" means ... i use to to refer to my feeling about a proposition which matches my experience or the experience of those whom i trust.   It seems that you use the word to refer to something independent of your own feelings or experience.  Unfortunately you have not been able to share what you call "truth" with me, so i cannot experience it.  We discussed this in the most recent item in the room truth.  

I said that to say that there is scant use in us using that word with each other unless we make it clear which sense of the word is being used.  In other words, in my weltanschauung, there is only what you believe and experience and what has consequences for you and other people ... nothing else can be experienced or trusted.  To speak of a truth apart from that is at best to speak of a dream or at worst to make a category error.   In other words, consensus reality has as much claim to what i call truth as anything else that i can possibly experience.
Truth is that which is so, exists etc.  I never waver from that definition. Technically, it is language based, OTOH, some like PR & others go farther to direct consciousness of what's so & bypass language.  I am not confused & do not need to munge anything else into it.


Seth says
... 2015-06-16 14:39:00 18423
seth 2015-06-16 12:49:56 18423
... 2015-06-16 11:18:01 18423
seth 2015-06-16 11:05:47 18423
source: mark

concensus reality is nothing more than gathering your club around you for protecting your Egoo.
It can have no claim on the truth - just what you believe.

Well i agree, in a manner of speaking, "consensus reality is gathering your club around you" ... and yes it is an excellent strategy for survival. 

You and I disagree on what the word "truth" means ... i use to to refer to my feeling about a proposition which matches my experience or the experience of those whom i trust.   It seems that you use the word to refer to something independent of your own feelings or experience.  Unfortunately you have not been able to share what you call "truth" with me, so i cannot experience it.  We discussed this in the most recent item in the room truth.  

I said that to say that there is scant use in us using that word with each other unless we make it clear which sense of the word is being used.  In other words, in my weltanschauung, there is only what you believe and experience and what has consequences for you and other people ... nothing else can be experienced or trusted.  To speak of a truth apart from that is at best to speak of a dream or at worst to make a category error.   In other words, consensus reality has as much claim to what i call truth as anything else that i can possibly experience.
Truth is that which is so, exists etc.  I never waver from that definition. Technically, it is language based, OTOH, some like PR & others go farther to direct consciousness of what's so & bypass language.  I am not confused & do not need to munge anything else into it.


yep i know ... that is as far as your mind will conceive.   thanks for the clarification, but i already did know that was your stance.
Direct experience trumps concepts & conceiving & sheds all your selfie middleman interpretations:
Life is more or less a lie, but then again,
 that's exactly the way we want it to be.
Bob Dylan

Pursuing Consciousness quote 10:10


Who experiences this truth?

... says
seth 2015-06-16 12:49:56 18423
... 2015-06-16 11:18:01 18423
seth 2015-06-16 11:05:47 18423
source: mark

concensus reality is nothing more than gathering your club around you for protecting your Egoo.
It can have no claim on the truth - just what you believe.

Well i agree, in a manner of speaking, "consensus reality is gathering your club around you" ... and yes it is an excellent strategy for survival. 

You and I disagree on what the word "truth" means ... i use to to refer to my feeling about a proposition which matches my experience or the experience of those whom i trust.   It seems that you use the word to refer to something independent of your own feelings or experience.  Unfortunately you have not been able to share what you call "truth" with me, so i cannot experience it.  We discussed this in the most recent item in the room truth.  

I said that to say that there is scant use in us using that word with each other unless we make it clear which sense of the word is being used.  In other words, in my weltanschauung, there is only what you believe and experience and what has consequences for you and other people ... nothing else can be experienced or trusted.  To speak of a truth apart from that is at best to speak of a dream or at worst to make a category error.   In other words, consensus reality has as much claim to what i call truth as anything else that i can possibly experience.
Truth is that which is so, exists etc.  I never waver from that definition. Technically, it is language based, OTOH, some like PR & others go farther to direct consciousness of what's so & bypass language.  I am not confused & do not need to munge anything else into it.


yep i know ... that is as far as your mind will conceive.   thanks for the clarification, but i already did know that was your stance.
Direct experience trumps concepts & conceiving & sheds all your selfie middleman interpretations:
Life is more or less a lie, but then again,
 that's exactly the way we want it to be.
Bob Dylan

Pursuing Consciousness quote 10:10


... says
Good question Direct consciousness is a better word & as PR states often it is not an experience & not direct, but those are the best grok words to use until you get it.


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seth 2015-06-17 07:10:07 18423
... 2015-06-16 14:57:40 18423
Good question Direct consciousness is a better word & as PR states often it is not an experience & not direct, but those are the best grok words to use until you get it.


well that description is ambiguous and non-sensical to me, perhaps it got lost in translation.  but i like to understand what such communications actually do apart from what they mean to the author ... this one, i don't i don't see how could possibly help us live our lives together ... as such it goes tilt for me to think it is consciousness. 
Well going "tilt" is your thingy - enjoy the Egooo! & the Wheeee!
If you really want to grok, though, - READ THE FUCKING BOOK! or... remain ignorant ...
from the Tai Shu #30
Moong hex #30: ... Modesty curries more favors than unintelligent questioning; ignorance is no excuse to be annoying.
...
 

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