Just Because ...

One may never have read or grokked the classics but just because one hasn't or doesn't want to or maybe wants to ignore them does not mean one has invented something NEW
... btw:
Wikipedia: ...

Grok /ˈɡr'k/ is a word coined by Robert A. Heinlein for his 1961 science-fiction novel, Stranger in a Strange Land, where it is defined as follows:

Grok means to understand so thoroughly that the observer becomes a part of the observed"to merge, blend, intermarry, lose identity in group experience. It means almost everything that we mean by religion, philosophy, and science"and it means as little to us (because of our Earthling assumptions) as color means to a blind man.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines to grok as "to understand intuitively or by empathy; to establish rapport with" and "to empathize or communicate sympathetically (with); also, to experience enjoyment".

... i.e. Zen
quoted in Zen Body Being (P.R.): ... Zen is the unsymbolization of the world. -R. H. Blyth
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  4. grok
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Comments


... says
Some Aldous Huxley:

Heinlein


Mark de LA says
JUST Because ... YOU can't do it means only:

YOU CAN'T DO IT!


... says
seth 2015-06-21 07:40:04 18449
it is interesting to grok that action needs of no symbolization
I doubt anyone ever does something (acts) without some kind of idea of what he is about to do, however muscle memorized or unconscious his actions are. Otherwise actions are just off-the-wall, spastic gyrations.


... says
Just because you can argue without thinking ..... (or unconsciously) ....
doesn't mean .....

... says
Just because ....
You can spew word salad doesn't mean you have actually said anything.

... says
seth 2015-06-21 08:10:34 18449
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seth 2015-06-21 07:52:59 18449
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seth 2015-06-21 07:40:04 18449
it is interesting to grok that action needs of no symbolization
I doubt anyone ever does something (acts) without some kind of idea of what he is about to do, however muscle memorized or unconscious his actions are. Otherwise actions are just off-the-wall, spastic gyrations.


well i doubt that it is necessary to represent an action in one's mind prior to doing it. 
Spaz on!   Just because you are unconscious of what is happening does not mean you can act without thinking.




not representing action in one's mind prior to its performance does not mean that one is not aware of it ... or that the action is erratic or un-synced with the world or is not true to one's being. 
see (IBID) above on word salad! .. representation can be any munge of qualia that Bozo wants to ignore!


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seth 2015-06-21 08:23:51 18449
source: see (IBID) above on word salad! .. representation can be any munge of qualia that Bozo wants to ignore!
well i have found that when you say, "word salad", you are telling me that you have not groked something that i have said. 

my representations are a combination of my qualia and other things of which i know .  ... it would be hard for me to make them of that which i want to ignore .
Try them without the mental bullying you attempt & fail at with someone else who can actually think & see if they can make sense of them - then get back to me.  Most of what you say is so abstract it has little real world value to me & that which isn't is nothing new or significant.


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seth 2015-06-21 08:57:39 18449
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seth 2015-06-21 08:35:47 18449
i most usually ignore your self serving commands.
apparently not!


"most usually" does not mean "always" quite intentionally.
Apparently same shit different day ...
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Si says
In the #Zen way, YOU cant do it means only
 
YOU DON’T DO IT!
 
Can’t is a purely imaginary symbol … one of the first to disappear in #Zen.  

Mark de LA says
From NLP & NAC: can/can’t are just your rules of possibility: (maybe a little belief meets reality meets doing – since doing is the ultimate test null)

Si says
I am simply talking about what you say in your thought above.

Zen is the unsymbolization of the world

Clearly, imaginary symbols like “can’t”, are the first to go!  

Mark de LA says
I don’t see can’t as a symbol – how so is it? Unsymbolization is just getting rid of beliefs & anchors.

Si says
All words are symbols, #Zen doesn’t need them. Ever listen in on two #Zen masters communicating? Nope? There you go!  

Mark de LA says
… adding a few more from the etymology dictionary:
symbol (n.) Look up symbol at Dictionary.com
early 15c., "creed, summary, religious belief," from Late Latin symbolum "creed, token, mark," from Greek symbolon "token, watchword, sign by which one infers; ticket, a permit, licence" (the word was applied c.250 by Cyprian of Carthage to the Apostles’ Creed, on the notion of the "mark" that distinguishes Christians from pagans), literally "that which is thrown or cast together," from assimilated form of syn- "together" (see syn-) + bole "a throwing, a casting, the stroke of a missile, bolt, beam," from bol-, nominative stem of ballein "to throw" (see ballistics). 

The sense evolution in Greek is from "throwing things together" to "contrasting" to "comparing" to "token used in comparisons to determine if something is genuine." Hence, "outward sign" of something. The meaning "something which stands for something else" first recorded 1590 (in "Faerie Queene"). As a written character, 1610s.
Sounds a bit like mungeing null – I think of symbols more like pictures or ming. new
 

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