Symbol VS Being

About: SCALIA dissenting (see page 70)


Justice Scalia,

Things change ... get over it!

          Seth Russell



source: in response to Patric Hayes on FB

Seth Russell Thanks Patrick for pointing out the primary distinction of the decision. I think for once a majority of the court sided with what actually is, the being which matters to people, rather than an old symbol of it written by history. Which should govern our lives ... being, those interactions which actually obtain ... or a mere representation of that which actually transpires? It is a momentous turning point.   Which should govern our lives ... being, those interactions which actually obtain ... or mere representations of it?

A momentous turning point.  I interpret it as anther volley in the age old fight of map against territory

... and the territory won!

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  1. scotus
  2. gay marriage
  3. scalia
  4. 2015
  5. rainbow flag
  6. map vs territory
  7. symbol vs being
  8. symbol
  9. being
  10. fight clubs
  11. confederate flag

Comments


... says
Gay marriage is even more interesting because NOW gays can experience the meaning of commitment as well as DIVORCE!   Maybe a 2nd look at polygamy, polyandry & polyamory & the age of consent - since tradition is being relaxed.


... says
... 2015-06-26 08:02:29 18470
Yep words don't mean anything to SCOTUS chief.  Next the US Constitution itself.
Next 2nd amendment on guns.  Political correctness versus free speech . etc.


... says
Just a wild-assed thought ... if the word of law doesn't mean anything then what good are the opinions of SCOTUS itself?  Laws & orders are being passed in secret by POTUS.  It is a matter of whose gang is the biggest & has the ability to back it up with force. 
Childhood's End ?
((***))



... says
seth 2015-06-26 09:42:21 18470
... 2015-06-26 09:34:56 18470
... 2015-06-26 08:20:59 18470
Gay marriage is even more interesting because NOW gays can experience the meaning of commitment as well as DIVORCE!   Maybe a 2nd look at polygamy, polyandry & polyamory & the age of consent - since tradition is being relaxed.

Maybe if monkeys & animals get rights then there will be no limit to sex within the same species.


you know there is another aspect of this which people have yet to talk about.   What is so special about just 2 peope getting married.  Why not 3 .... or 4 ... ?   Do the words in the judgement rule out those peculair marriages?
That's why my mention of polyandry, polygamy & polyamory.

Seth says
You could look at this change in the law as a healthy realignment of thought and action. 

When what people are actually doing (or want to do) does not match what they are thinking about it, then what do you change? ... what people actually do? ... or what they think about what they do?  I interpret this as another case of the being of action is what matters... not the symbolic haggeling about it.

What is seems strange to me is that it is you who have been hailing the zen of being untainted by language  ... but ironically when a case of opting for that, you choose instead mere words. 

Seth says
source: mark

Yep - that would be strange for you! Prophets who align with big gangs (like the one Obama heads) don't mind when they have the big guns.  OTOH, when you are the one with a small gun & things don't go your way then the realignment sucks or isn't so healthy!



Well the power and energy and scope of cooperative action is not something to make light of.  It exists.  It be.  It is being.  The bigger the scope, the bigger the effect.  I didn't make it up ... and i don't fight it  i live with.  I just do what i will according to my peculiar being.  No need to haggle.  The cards will fall where they may, regardless of my pleadings.

... says
Google now lists 111000 articles in their news on polygamy etc. (;-))

... says
seth 2015-06-29 14:53:01 18470
... 2015-06-29 13:19:32 18470
seth 2015-06-29 12:56:55 18470
... 2015-06-29 11:56:17 18470
(***)
I suspect the same pheomenon will set in
if the race problem is
solved.  Hints already abound.  Where will the identity group politics go?

The Ego forms by separating from what it is & what it isn't.

Here is the actual NYT article .   Seems pretty much true, except for exaggeration about  "gay bars and nightclubs have turned into vitamin stores, and frozen yogurt shops"

When the cause of a fight is removed, the fight goes away, and people move on to other things.  Those who were in it just for the fight will feel a loss.   
So what did Rush add to the NYT story?  I read for that, but alass, could not it find 
... but it sure got your attention ... maybe you think just like he does ... which thinking is opaque to me.
NOPE! You see I was thinking about this yesterday before this showed up after some article (there are many) mentioned the gay angst of not being unique any more.  I was suprised that Rush also mentioned the race thingy which I had also considered. Maybe that is why going for just being human is not as attractive as fighting something or politically pitting one identity group against another.
It is all still about the [politics of: tags identity groups]

I am not sure what you are saying "NOPE" to.  You and Rush are thinking alike here about identity groups ... even according to your own admission.  Perhaps you do not see that as a contradiction to what you said earlier, "Groups don't think only individuals think".  Ok ... er but i see it as a contradiction  ... maybe because i am outside of your group ... eh?
NOPE!  I am not in a RushLimbaugh group.  He agreed with me rather suprisingly. I labored to point out that I had that conclusion before today.  I have often pointed out the polygamy thingy & how things would open up.  I also pointed out when the decision came down that now gays etc would get to experience the wonders of committment & DIVORCE.  See also this post on fb yesterday. Your identity group brain seems to want to munge things together for some political purpose or just to be right or combat something. If you & I were to agree on something would that make us into a group?  Could that rob you of some identity?  Anyway, I'm not getting on your bandwagon to paint rainbows on my face.


Seth says

and then there is this meme. 

What do we stand for?

Why is a person offended by another person using the word "we" ?

What is really happening here, Mr Jones?

Seth says


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