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Mark de LA says
seth 2015-06-29 11:34:25 18486
words are signs. 

denying that is kind of just to ignore most of what we have been talking about in the last several days. 

... but hey, you told a joke ... cute ... funny ... my expense, your profit ... but who's counting anyway.
words are words - some signs have words in them  ... munge onward!

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-06-29 08:54:34 18486

There is such a thing as the correctness of what an individual person says and does. 

There is also the correctness of what a group of persons says and does. 

Now perhaps we can allow that persons form tightly interacting groups which act within the larger body of humanity.  Then "Political correctness" is a great term to refer to that group correctness.

If one is a strong member of that group, then one will not want to subvert that correctness.

But if one is not strongly interacting within that group, the group's correctness will be felt as wrong. 

Oh well,  i hate to keep using this phrase, but that is just the way the ball bounces,  is it not?
Some ASSHOLES lose their sense of humor & take themselves seriously - others just believe their own Egoo & cant get past the sweet smell & taste of their own bullshit ... I think your submission qualifies on both counts.
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Mark de LA says
seth 2015-06-29 09:13:51 18486
Well fine then you seem to have found me in the wrong once again .

None the less i was trying to express the relationship that i find in our culture of this term "political correctness" ... of late it is being disparaged ... but what is the being to which it refers.  I don't like to be called out for being policically incorrect any more than you do.  Saying things in the world that do not match with what other people and groups feel is correct is my soverign right.  But that is balanced with the consciousness of the group that is being disparaged.  There are these two different aspects of talking that i like to be aware of.  This recent anti-group-correctness talk is really directed against group belonging and their feeling of correctness.  I think we should understand it in that light. 
birdie! (assumes I should agree with you - I don't)
A group is just a classification (sometimes not even by members of the group) only individuals really exist. Groups don't think only individuals think, if at all. Some in a group may agree & some may disagree & some may agree on somethings while disagreeing on other things (The Teaparty is a great example in spite of the M$M trying to paint them all as monolithic white obamahaters). Because an ISIS mob can shout "Death to America" doesn't mean that the authorship of that phrase is that of the group or mob doing the shouting.
Zen is more precise than MOBS, & M$M & you.

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-06-29 11:25:54 18486
That we disagree on what the words "being" and "spirit" refer to is part of the confusion of the signs we are using to communicate. 
I don't usually communicate with you in signs but when I do I lead with my middle finger"


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-06-29 10:11:33 18486
Seth:  "I think we should understand it in that light."
source: mark responds
birdie! (assumes I should agree with you - I don't)
There is no such assumption implied by my words.   I clearly expressed just my judgement.  The statement that would have meant what you made up would have been "We should understand it in that light".    DUH! NBO DIFFERENCE

The only strange thing is that you ignored the clear nuance of my actual words and made up something that you could deride.   Why did you do that?
RESIDE IN THE MUNGE OF NUANCE , DUDE!
A group is just a classification (sometimes not even by members of the group) only individuals really exist. Groups don't think only individuals think, if at all.
A group is not a mere symbol of something which does not exist ... it is a interacting being in its own right supervening on its constituent members.  Apparently we disagree on that matter.

That individual members of a group think, talk, feel, and act individually from their own being, does not mean that the group spirit (or being) does not exist just as very strong as the members actually do interact cooperate and agree with each other.

Did you never feel the spirit of a group?  Did you never think like the rest of the group was thinking?  Did you never act accordingly?
MUNGE ON!  nuance, symbols, word salad, misuse of the word being, high-school football game sense of spirit, the imprecision of your specificity is baffeling in light of 14275 and the sentence in the middle of your recent 18401 ... specifically there is no group identity (Ego) only individuals; abstractly as a concept only groups can be classified however.  Just because ... you are a prophet of identity politics & claim to label some people as a group doesn't mean you can blame any behavior on the whole group.  Group punishment is a violation of the Geneva convention & probably somewhere in our own laws.


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