Forward Memeogram

The next time someone questions why I say or write something as to my motive I will whip out this one! BTW, why I say or post something is irrelevant regardless of what one might imagine my motivation to be. Save some RWG & just read what I say including this one.



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  1. memogram
  2. purpose
  3. item 18589
  4. irony
  5. said that to say what
  6. just saying
  7. intention
  8. justsaying
  9. shit
  10. munge
  11. troll-fodder

Comments


Mark de LA says
As every child knows, WHY is an open-ended or endless question inviting more whys. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-07-23 10:49:31 18589
ok whatever.   i think i'm going to have to interpert your sayins here as having an obligatory "just saying" tagged on to them.  after all that is the current social media tag ... see twitter #justsaying.  no intent or responsibility implied.
ok whatever, I think I'm goint to have to interpret your participation here as having little real value and tag them occasionally as #shit or #munge or #troll-fodder.



Mark de LA says
seth 2015-07-23 10:39:42 18589
M 2015-07-23 10:31:53 18589
seth 2015-07-23 09:41:18 18589
M 2015-07-23 09:23:48 18589
seth 2015-07-23 08:50:35 18589
M 2015-07-23 08:40:46 18589
seth 2015-07-23 07:58:09 18589
So now is knowledge of connection, of case and effect, of because, of expectation and anticipation, of purpose and intention, to be excised from our lives?  .... Why?
None of what I said implies endorsing the shit you said above. Maybe learn to read & respond to what I said rather than go down the endless questions & to avoid acknowledging what is written.




great .... so asking why is just fine



.... so why did your Chicken cross the road?
You quarrelsome & tiring misinterpretation is boring at best. This item merely says read & engage what I wrote rather than asking why I wrote it. Don't question my motives it only leads to RWG.  You may never know anyway even if you wrote it.


well all i am saying is that understanding why you wrote something is an important part of understanding what you worte.   sorry, for a deep level of understanding, i don't know how to separate them.  Consider this with the meme, "the meaning of your message is the effect it has". 
Mind-reading of your own & others is usually a dismal failure. I appreciate your tactic, though,  of shoving aside what I said to focus on why I said it to avoid facing what I said in the first place.


Well i interprete what you said to mean that you don't want people to concern themselves with why you say things.  Did i interpret it correctly?  

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-07-23 09:41:18 18589
M 2015-07-23 09:23:48 18589
seth 2015-07-23 08:50:35 18589
M 2015-07-23 08:40:46 18589
seth 2015-07-23 07:58:09 18589
So now is knowledge of connection, of case and effect, of because, of expectation and anticipation, of purpose and intention, to be excised from our lives?  .... Why?
None of what I said implies endorsing the shit you said above. Maybe learn to read & respond to what I said rather than go down the endless questions & to avoid acknowledging what is written.




great .... so asking why is just fine



.... so why did your Chicken cross the road?
You quarrelsome & tiring misinterpretation is boring at best. This item merely says read & engage what I wrote rather than asking why I wrote it. Don't question my motives it only leads to RWG.  You may never know anyway even if you wrote it.


well all i am saying is that understanding why you wrote something is an important part of understanding what you worte.   sorry, for a deep level of understanding, i don't know how to separate them.  Consider this with the meme, "the meaning of your message is the effect it has". 
Mind-reading of your own & others is usually a dismal failure. I appreciate your tactic, though,  of shoving aside what I said to focus on why I said it to avoid facing what I said in the first place.


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-07-23 10:16:54 18589
For example, it is impossible to understanding what trump said about Lindsey Grahm's phone number, without understanding why he said it.  In other words, "you said that to say what" is usually a pertinent question to ask.
Not really! If you grok that politics is full of childish drama & behavior nothing a mystery.

It may be silly to question some chickens' motives.


Eiam says
Then too there is the question: Why do you ask? What are you saying by asking that question? (;-))

Eiam says
seth 2015-08-01 07:43:28 18589
Eiam 2015-07-31 07:10:48 18589
Then too there is the question: Why do you ask? What are you saying by asking that question? (;-))

Well at this extreme level of generalization i would say it's the same kinds of reasons as why a person says something without asking a question.  One wants to know what kinds of intentions are behind a person's actions.  It is useful information to decide whether they can be shared, or should be ignored, or opposed. 

In a world with no intentions and purposes, such questions might hit a person as irrelevant, silly, or even annoying.   Also in a world (or situation) where your intentions and purposes are always to be deemed your own private affair and never to be shared with others ... such questions might be felt as invasive and offensive.  For example if you are walking down the street and you suddenly put your hand in your pocket, and a busy body runs up and asks, "Why did you put your hand in your pocket?".  Alternatively, if you are stopped by a police officer, and you suddenly put your hand in your pocket, you will probably get killed. 

Intention, whether shared, ignored, or opposed is an important part of human life. 
The intention is easy - it is most always about survival & the protection & construction of the selfie. The point dully missed was why? is an infinite loop (an open ended question as is how) as is the rwg etc. My experience of some here at fbi is sometimes there is the use of questions to deflect & to ignore  the main point & go off on a tangent.  A child might ask why? followed up by another why? followed up by another why? to keep a conversation going or to learn more or to be silly.
 

Seth says
Eiam 2015-08-01 08:28:29 18589
seth 2015-08-01 08:16:16 18589
Eiam 2015-08-01 07:58:06 18589
seth 2015-08-01 07:43:28 18589
Eiam 2015-07-31 07:10:48 18589
Then too there is the question: Why do you ask? What are you saying by asking that question? (;-))

Well at this extreme level of generalization i would say it's the same kinds of reasons as why a person says something without asking a question.  One wants to know what kinds of intentions are behind a person's actions.  It is useful information to decide whether they can be shared, or should be ignored, or opposed. 

In a world with no intentions and purposes, such questions might hit a person as irrelevant, silly, or even annoying.   Also in a world (or situation) where your intentions and purposes are always to be deemed your own private affair and never to be shared with others ... such questions might be felt as invasive and offensive.  For example if you are walking down the street and you suddenly put your hand in your pocket, and a busy body runs up and asks, "Why did you put your hand in your pocket?".  Alternatively, if you are stopped by a police officer, and you suddenly put your hand in your pocket, you will probably get killed. 

Intention, whether shared, ignored, or opposed is an important part of human life. 
The intention is easy - it is most always about survival & the protection & construction of the selfie. The point dully missed was why? is an infinite loop (an open ended question as is how) as is the rwg etc. My experience of some here at fbi is sometimes there is the use of questions to deflect & to ignore  the main point & go off on a tangent.  A child might ask why? followed up by another why? followed up by another why? to keep a conversation going or to learn more or to be silly.
 

Well i did answer the question, "why?" ... the reason why is to determine the intent of the speaker.
That is redundant.

Well intent and/or purpose is the answer to a why question.  That is what the word means ... it is a query to determine the purpose.   Now i do not know why you are not satisfied with that answer.   What story are you acting within which denies the very meaning of this common word?

Seth says
  Oh sure i can reduce everything i say or do to be in service of constructing a story of my life.  Pherhaps that is what you meant to me when you said, "it's easy". 

Thing is, that level of generality does not help with the speccifics.  Oh sure chickens are constructing their lives with whatever it is that they do ... but still in all, why did that particular chicken cross that particular road at that particular time ... what particular story was she telling or acting within when she did it?  

Eiam says
seth 2015-08-01 08:16:16 18589
Eiam 2015-08-01 07:58:06 18589
seth 2015-08-01 07:43:28 18589
Eiam 2015-07-31 07:10:48 18589
Then too there is the question: Why do you ask? What are you saying by asking that question? (;-))

Well at this extreme level of generalization i would say it's the same kinds of reasons as why a person says something without asking a question.  One wants to know what kinds of intentions are behind a person's actions.  It is useful information to decide whether they can be shared, or should be ignored, or opposed. 

In a world with no intentions and purposes, such questions might hit a person as irrelevant, silly, or even annoying.   Also in a world (or situation) where your intentions and purposes are always to be deemed your own private affair and never to be shared with others ... such questions might be felt as invasive and offensive.  For example if you are walking down the street and you suddenly put your hand in your pocket, and a busy body runs up and asks, "Why did you put your hand in your pocket?".  Alternatively, if you are stopped by a police officer, and you suddenly put your hand in your pocket, you will probably get killed. 

Intention, whether shared, ignored, or opposed is an important part of human life. 
The intention is easy - it is most always about survival & the protection & construction of the selfie. The point dully missed was why? is an infinite loop (an open ended question as is how) as is the rwg etc. My experience of some here at fbi is sometimes there is the use of questions to deflect & to ignore  the main point & go off on a tangent.  A child might ask why? followed up by another why? followed up by another why? to keep a conversation going or to learn more or to be silly.
 

Well i did answer the question, "why?" ... the reason why is to determine the intent of the speaker.
That is redundant.

Eiam says
seth 2015-08-01 08:19:50 18589
My point (or intent here) is to determine why you seem not to acknowledge that intention should even be part of human interaction.  I mean, do you believe that intention is an important part of human interaction?
Well, actually, I never said that shit. That was an attitude you made up about my intention for me.  Such examples are why it is nearly impossible to know anothers' intention - possibly not even one's own. If one actually knew an intention he would have to tap into the will of another or himself & fix the intent at some particular point in time & space (or * - Koan of Now notwithstanding PC 12:26). PR's notion "The Consciousness commands & the body obeys" (**) - takes a bit more work & consciousness than bandying words into orbit.
I say that most likely one makes up an intention somewhat like an excuse after the behavior has already accomplished. Therefore it is just fantasy & often just part of right-wrong gaming.


Eiam says
BTW what was your intent in saying your previous? huh?

Seth says
Eiam 2015-08-01 09:48:52 18589
seth 2015-08-01 09:45:58 18589
Eiam 2015-08-01 08:49:11 18589
seth 2015-08-01 08:19:50 18589
My point (or intent here) is to determine why you seem not to acknowledge that intention should even be part of human interaction.  I mean, do you believe that intention is an important part of human interaction?
Well, actually, I never said that shit. That was an attitude you made up about my intention for me.  Such examples are why it is nearly impossible to know anothers' intention - possibly not even one's own. If one actually knew an intention he would have to tap into the will of another or himself & fix the intent at some particular point in time & space (or * - Koan of Now notwithstanding PC 12:26). PR's notion "The Consciousness commands & the body obeys" (**) - takes a bit more work & consciousness than bandying words into orbit.
I say that most likely one makes up an intention somewhat like an excuse after the behavior has already accomplished. Therefore it is just fantasy & often just part of right-wrong gaming.


well sure one can almost too easily represent intent after the fact as rationalization.  But such stories can exist before the event ... then it's representation is sometimes called planning.  And, sure people lie about it ... before and after ... or people are unsure and confused and just do not know.  None of that, as far as i can tell,  bears on the possibility of clear and unambiguous awareness of a purpose and inquiry into such. 

When purpose is clearly represented or expressed in the world, it is far easier to get others to share it.   That is one of the reasons why so much of our language is devoted to expressing purpose and intent. 

I fail to see what any of that has to do with PR's "The Consciousness commands & the body obeys" ... but i intend to read his whole Chapter 12 ... perhaps then i will grock it ... it would have been more synchronous with me had you just told me the relationship that you perceive.
Yep! I perceive you are right-wrong gaming & no possible answer would suffice.

Now, were I you, and trying to write a true sentence, i would have written that sentence as follows, "Yep, I percieve I am right-wrong gaming & no possible answer would satisfy me". 


Eiam says
seth 2015-08-01 09:45:58 18589
Eiam 2015-08-01 08:49:11 18589
seth 2015-08-01 08:19:50 18589
My point (or intent here) is to determine why you seem not to acknowledge that intention should even be part of human interaction.  I mean, do you believe that intention is an important part of human interaction?
Well, actually, I never said that shit. That was an attitude you made up about my intention for me.  Such examples are why it is nearly impossible to know anothers' intention - possibly not even one's own. If one actually knew an intention he would have to tap into the will of another or himself & fix the intent at some particular point in time & space (or * - Koan of Now notwithstanding PC 12:26). PR's notion "The Consciousness commands & the body obeys" (**) - takes a bit more work & consciousness than bandying words into orbit.
I say that most likely one makes up an intention somewhat like an excuse after the behavior has already accomplished. Therefore it is just fantasy & often just part of right-wrong gaming.


well sure one can almost too easily represent intent after the fact as rationalization.  But such stories can exist before the event ... then it's representation is sometimes called planning.  And, sure people lie about it ... before and after ... or people are unsure and confused and just do not know.  None of that, as far as i can tell,  bears on the possibility of clear and unambiguous awareness of a purpose and inquiry into such. 

When purpose is clearly represented or expressed in the world, it is far easier to get others to share it.   That is one of the reasons why so much of our language is devoted to expressing purpose and intent. 

I fail to see what any of that has to do with PR's "The Consciousness commands & the body obeys" ... but i intend to read his whole Chapter 12 ... perhaps then i will grock it ... it would have been more synchronous with me had you just told me the relationship that you perceive.
Yep! I perceive you are right-wrong gaming & no possible answer would suffice.

Eiam says
seth 2015-08-01 09:54:24 18589
Eiam 2015-08-01 09:49:43 18589
BTW what was your intent in saying your previous? huh?


just trying to increase our awareness of a possible common understanding ... er, as usual.
Hmmm..... abstract & generic intent how useful

Seth says
HaHa 2015-08-01 12:01:27 18589
seth 2015-08-01 10:40:42 18589
Eiam 2015-08-01 10:00:56 18589
seth 2015-08-01 09:52:24 18589
Eiam 2015-08-01 09:48:52 18589
seth 2015-08-01 09:45:58 18589
Eiam 2015-08-01 08:49:11 18589
seth 2015-08-01 08:19:50 18589
My point (or intent here) is to determine why you seem not to acknowledge that intention should even be part of human interaction.  I mean, do you believe that intention is an important part of human interaction?
Well, actually, I never said that shit. That was an attitude you made up about my intention for me.  Such examples are why it is nearly impossible to know anothers' intention - possibly not even one's own. If one actually knew an intention he would have to tap into the will of another or himself & fix the intent at some particular point in time & space (or * - Koan of Now notwithstanding PC 12:26). PR's notion "The Consciousness commands & the body obeys" (**) - takes a bit more work & consciousness than bandying words into orbit.
I say that most likely one makes up an intention somewhat like an excuse after the behavior has already accomplished. Therefore it is just fantasy & often just part of right-wrong gaming.


well sure one can almost too easily represent intent after the fact as rationalization.  But such stories can exist before the event ... then it's representation is sometimes called planning.  And, sure people lie about it ... before and after ... or people are unsure and confused and just do not know.  None of that, as far as i can tell,  bears on the possibility of clear and unambiguous awareness of a purpose and inquiry into such. 

When purpose is clearly represented or expressed in the world, it is far easier to get others to share it.   That is one of the reasons why so much of our language is devoted to expressing purpose and intent. 

I fail to see what any of that has to do with PR's "The Consciousness commands & the body obeys" ... but i intend to read his whole Chapter 12 ... perhaps then i will grock it ... it would have been more synchronous with me had you just told me the relationship that you perceive.
Yep! I perceive you are right-wrong gaming & no possible answer would suffice.

Now, were I you, and trying to write a true sentence, i would have written that sentence as follows, "Yep, I perceive I am right-wrong gaming & no possible answer would satisfy me". 

of course you would instantiating the obvious I mentioned

and in the moment you formed the intent of responding as above, were you perceiving a world outside of yourself, or acting out a role in in a story that you believe is always playing?
.. or something else being the truth. Intent is not your strong suit.

.... i'm not saying intent is my "strong suit" ... but actually i am curious ... how would you know one way or another?

HaHa says
seth 2015-08-01 10:40:42 18589
Eiam 2015-08-01 10:00:56 18589
seth 2015-08-01 09:52:24 18589
Eiam 2015-08-01 09:48:52 18589
seth 2015-08-01 09:45:58 18589
Eiam 2015-08-01 08:49:11 18589
seth 2015-08-01 08:19:50 18589
My point (or intent here) is to determine why you seem not to acknowledge that intention should even be part of human interaction.  I mean, do you believe that intention is an important part of human interaction?
Well, actually, I never said that shit. That was an attitude you made up about my intention for me.  Such examples are why it is nearly impossible to know anothers' intention - possibly not even one's own. If one actually knew an intention he would have to tap into the will of another or himself & fix the intent at some particular point in time & space (or * - Koan of Now notwithstanding PC 12:26). PR's notion "The Consciousness commands & the body obeys" (**) - takes a bit more work & consciousness than bandying words into orbit.
I say that most likely one makes up an intention somewhat like an excuse after the behavior has already accomplished. Therefore it is just fantasy & often just part of right-wrong gaming.


well sure one can almost too easily represent intent after the fact as rationalization.  But such stories can exist before the event ... then it's representation is sometimes called planning.  And, sure people lie about it ... before and after ... or people are unsure and confused and just do not know.  None of that, as far as i can tell,  bears on the possibility of clear and unambiguous awareness of a purpose and inquiry into such. 

When purpose is clearly represented or expressed in the world, it is far easier to get others to share it.   That is one of the reasons why so much of our language is devoted to expressing purpose and intent. 

I fail to see what any of that has to do with PR's "The Consciousness commands & the body obeys" ... but i intend to read his whole Chapter 12 ... perhaps then i will grock it ... it would have been more synchronous with me had you just told me the relationship that you perceive.
Yep! I perceive you are right-wrong gaming & no possible answer would suffice.

Now, were I you, and trying to write a true sentence, i would have written that sentence as follows, "Yep, I perceive I am right-wrong gaming & no possible answer would satisfy me". 

of course you would instantiating the obvious I mentioned

and in the moment you formed the intent of responding as above, were you perceiving a world outside of yourself, or acting out a role in in a story that you believe is always playing?
.. or something else being the truth. Intent is not your strong suit.

Mark de LA says
you are still talking about it.

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