The Scorpion and the Tortoise: Enacted in American politics

source: my G+ comment to Katya

Seth: i think you nailed it ... it is what "lives in him" .... like the scorpion on the frog's back ... he said "she is blending out of her wherever" because that was his thought ... all rationalization aside that was how he actually felt ... that is his nature ... just like it is the nature of a scoption to sting ... regardless of his stated intentions and after the fact rationalizations that he attempts to tell. But is he honest .... nope ... not on his life. If he was honest, he would admit that was how his being reacted and that was the meaning of the words that came out of his mouth.

Katya: yes but he presents himself, honestly, as the liar he is. thats what i mean by honest. whether or not he chooses to present himself this way or he not, i dont know, but i hes clearly proud of himself and may never see himself the way others see him. but living this way has made him so much money so why would he change? he seems happy but if he ever realizes what a creep he is, he might feel differently. but i doubt he will.

Seth: yeah an interesting drama indeed ... an unapologetic egotist. the story he is telling is that assholes win ... you want to win, you hire an asshole. i'm thinking that story resonates men's testosterone. not so sure it works on women ... you beauties are beasts of another color ... i wanted to hear you speak for yourself.

Katya: He's the byproduct of an extremely competitive culture. Luckily there are plenty of ways to live a noncompetitive lifestyle in this country now, although others may secretly be competing with you

Seth:

hmmm .... the old winning feels better to yourself than cooperating feels to yourself dilemma. i wasn't thinking of it that way .... but maybe that is all there is going on here. Thing is, can he convince enough people that it feels better?

Trump is behaving on the extreme right end of this polarity.

He is egoo personified on the big stage of American Politics.

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Seth says

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seth 2015-08-12 10:55:46 18668

source: mark
Yep, that's why one should not believe & identify with what the punditocracy spreads.

... my interpretations of what Trump says are my own. I am not going on what people say he said or their interpretations, i am hearing him say it and interpreting it myself. Sometimes i have read articles which shed light on what is happening from a context that i am unfamiliar ... the book purporting to prove that Trump is a narcissist is a case in point. There is no doubt that others influence my thoughts ... strangely enough, even yours

. That is a good thing, i am glad that we can rub our thoghts together ... it ... er ... makes them better.

Your criticism here lacks merit.

You never spoke to Trump. All that you & the punditocracy know is a second-hand-job for you

Huh? Now suddenly one needs to personally speak to a politician to interpret his words? Give me a break!

Yep same old samo! I defined the punditocracy as :

me: ... Punditocracy .... that which forms opinions in the low information consumers of news & internet bloggery) Pundits pretend they know. Pundits pretend they can control via their megaphones, twitterings & facebooks. They only show up on regular & cable news & slither away when they are surprised as so-called experts & unmasked & unclothed as having been wrong!

... listening to a clipped or context restricted Youtube other recording is just more punditocracy.

Mark, had you listened to the entire interview, you would have realized that it was probably not clipped and edited after the fact ... also i listened to the actual debate itself and heard Kelly's initial questions and his responses live. Now i am being the pundut and i am not relying on others to form my opinion. You on the other hand seem to me to be at least one he-said-she-said level removed from what Trump is doing ... as far as i can tell you have heard none of this live.

Seth says

source: mark
Yep, that's why one should not believe & identify with what the punditocracy spreads.

. That is a good thing, i am glad that we can rub our thoghts together ... it ... er ... makes them better.

Your criticism here lacks merit.

Seth says

Note that one strategy in a conflict is to piss on the competition.

Seth says

i wonder if people are going to be bashing trump with the same zest that they bashed obama ...

source: The Narcissist Next Door

To call Donald Trump a narcissist is, of course, to state the clinically obvious. There is the egotism of narcissism, the grandiosity of narcissism, the social obtuseness of narcissism. But if Trump is an easy target, he is also a pitiable one. Narcissism isn’t easy, it isn’t fun, it isn’t something to be waved off as a personal shortcoming that hurts only the narcissists themselves, any more than you can look at the drunk or philanderer or compulsive gambler and not see grief and regret in his future.

For now, yes, the Trump show is fun to watch. It will be less so if the carnival barker with his look-at-me antics continues to distract people from a serious discussion of important issues. It will be less still if Trump actually does wind up as the nominee of a major political party or mounts an independent campaign and succeeds in tipping the vote one way or the other.

But that kind of triumph is not the fate that awaits most narcissists. Their act becomes old, their opponents become bold, and the audience—inevitably—moves onto something else. Trump the phenomenon will surely become Trump the afterthought. He is a man who desperately hungers for respect and attention and who, by dint of that very desperation, will likely wind up with neither. The pain will be his; the relief will be ours.

... i acutally suspect so ... somebody else's ego is always an excellent target to distract from one's own.

Seth says

also toread Trump's other writing re women

Seth says

.... perhaps selected quotes from his interview to come when TRANSCRIPTS are available

Mark de LA says

Maybe look a different point of view if you can see:
http://nypost.com/2015/08/09/trumps-haters-need-to-man-up-and-deal/

Seth says

women live tweeting their periods

... follow #periodsarenotaninsult to twitter

Seth says

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seth 2015-08-10 08:32:43 18668

also toread Trump's other writing re women

Yeah, I would prefer a politically incorrect dued top a couple of overt liars like Obama & Hillary.

sigh, just FYI, i am not into diving into a fight pro or con Trump.

rather i am trying to become aware of how his behavior is affecting political motivations in our country. Will the American people actually buy his peculiar brand of bravado ... will he convince enough people that he will win for them? I really can not be emoting about his comparison to obama and hillary and remain sensitive to his effect doing what he is particularly is doing.

Seth says

... well worth listening to the whole interview

Lead by force of egoo alone ...

An interesting drama indeed !

Seth says

seth 2015-08-11 13:01:04 18668

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seth 2015-08-11 11:14:29 18668

Donald Trump is buying positive coverage from Breitbart.com " and editorial staffers are outraged

in absolutely unrelated news, britebard.com becomes unavailable

Meanwhile, Obama is still ruining the country & campaigning against his own Democrat party in favor of Iran & giving them back the money & ability to sell oil to buy the technology & going against his own constitution in constructing a treaty which is not a treaty & mostly secret from the country in the details. Shit! ... the pundocracy is still clueless. Carry on with your #dickjobbery.

anyway i spelled the website wrong which is why i got the unavailable

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but hey, go over there and see what you think ... is their normal snarky coverage being further twisted by Trump?

Anyway when it comes to a GFY campaign, who is better to know about it than Ben Shapiro of breitbrt ... i trust him explicitidly in this context

source: Ben Shapiro
Critics of Donald Trump’s rise in the Republican polls have now turned on large swaths of the Republican base in a fit of pique and frustration.

... worth a read if you like this kind of entertainment.

Is this not the very nature of egoo itself?

strange .... there for a minute i started to almost believe that Trump's ego could not only carry the day by do what he says he will for the country. I want to find the exact moment i got my flash listenng to the interview this morning ... but that will need to wait for a transcript.

Seth says

Not quite sure how they know this ....

source: NYmag
How Roger Ailes Picked Trump, and Fox News’ Audience, Over Megyn Kelly

... but it's a fun read in any case.

Mark de LA says

seth 2015-08-12 10:42:08 18668

seth 2015-08-11 09:07:14 18668

.... perhaps selected quotes from his interview to come when TRANSCRIPTS are available

shucks looks like they are not going to transcribe this interview ... oh well ... i might need to find the passage myself where, if i could believe in Trump's ego, he almost convinced me that he could be good for the country ... a momentary flash which will not last ... but a flash nonetheless. Lot's of great (or terrible) movements thought history have been manifested by the ego of just one individual.

Oh well, since this is part of his stump speech routine, doubtlessly it will resurface. Believe, believe, in the force of a single ego to control it's reality ...

i say, if you go down that rout, make sure it is your own.

Yep, that's why one should not believe & identify with what the punditocracy spreads.

Seth says

seth 2015-08-11 09:07:14 18668

.... perhaps selected quotes from his interview to come when TRANSCRIPTS are available

shucks looks like they are not going to transcribe this interview ... oh well ... i might need to find the passage myself where, if i could believe in Trump's ego, he almost convinced me that he could be good for the country ... a momentary flash which will not last ... but a flash nonetheless. Lot's of great (or terrible) movements thought history have been manifested by the ego of just one individual.

Oh well, since this is part of his stump speech routine, doubtlessly it will resurface.

Believe, believe, in the ability of a single ego to control its reality ...

i say, if you go down that rout, make sure it is your own.

Seth says

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duplicates are showing up

mark, i have explained that before. the only way that one can edit a comment at fastblogit is to back up to the edit box in the browser, edit and resubmit, then go back and delete the original. When we are both here together responding rapidly on the same comments that will happen a lot. One solution to relieve your sadness, "

", is not to respond by quoting a comment that may soon be edited. In a lot of cases i am not going to accept that you are responding directly to what i said anyway and, not wanting my comment to be in the frame of your mis-apprehension, will be compying your comment into its own frame anyway. You can learn to adapt to that with no sadness, or you can get sombody to add an editing feature to fastblogit comments, or you can continue to be confused about what is happening. Your choice ... make your sadness or not just according to your own will.

Seth says

seth 2015-08-11 09:04:29 18668

... well worth listening to the whole interview

Lead by force of egoo alone ...

An interesting drama indeed !

If your comments are to be pertinent here, you will need to listen to this entire context and the unedited live debate.

Mark de LA says

seth 2015-08-12 11:48:20 18668

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Yep this is all funny shit to me.

What specifically is the "this" that is funny to you? Trump's political behavior ... or my interpertation of it? If the former, then i am totally laughing too

... this Trump drama is classic! And in a way this item represents my awareness of that joke.

If the latter, then as far as i can tell, you are just confused.

ALL OF IT! Politics is laughable.

Seth says

i wonder what Trump's intention is of continue to attack Megan Kelly .... is he actually in love with her? I mean he could so easily just ignore her now. Hence, my wonder!

Seth says

seth 2015-08-25 15:00:42 18668

and in my tweet ....

I mean look at them ... they are made for each other

Seth says

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seth 2015-08-26 09:32:06 18668

incidentally, Mark, what is up with your agenda about "punditocracy" ?

more context in my comment on G+

I really don't know what you are saying ... except perhaps you don't like gossip.

I defined punditocracy in 18672 as you well know! You seem to have a hair up your ass about Trump - lots of people do. You pretend to be unbiassed - you are not. You are playing the same whack-a-mole game as the other political pundits do. Lots of luck.

I do not "have a hair up my ass about Trump", though i certainly have noticed what he is doing ... and yes, it fascinates me.

Fact is, i am predicting Trump may well be our next president.

You seem to want to project me into some boring partisan fight about that ... apparently not noticing my disinterest. Well, too bad i have not lived up to your expectations ... nope not playing that game with you. I will continue to ignore your goading me in that ridiculous direction ... becoming aware of what is actually going down in our country is far more interesting.

& I am becoming aware of the Hair up that has you badmouth Trump.

You know nothing beyond what the punditocracy megaphones in the wind. Don't pretend. I don't care which side you are on. The lack of candor in the current Democrat candidate(S) & the samo-samo is being countered by Trump who is a breath of fresh air instead of the stink coming from Washington D.C.

Wow, you just cannot get out of that partisan fight ... OMG!

Fact is i think Trump could end up being a great president for the US nation. But, of course, you won't accept that i can honestly think such a thought .... no, it doesn't fit in with the story you keep telling yourself about me ... you, shouting your stories back at me, wanting to make them ring truer to yourself.

Funny shit that

Seth says

seth 2015-08-28 11:01:58 18741

interesting history told from brightbart's perspective.
I don't believe i read the whole thing

source: conclusion of the brightbart article

Murdoch’s ideology is one directly opposed to what Trump believes, especially when it comes to the issues of trade and immigration. As the 2016 election cycle progresses, with one of its best players in Kelly on intellectual battlefield sidelines"she’ll keep hosting her program and getting high ratings, but she’s forever lost the claim to impartiality thanks to Trump"the Fox News Channel is likely going to escalate, on behalf of the Murdochs’ worldview on immigration and trade, the war with Trump.

Which seems to be a plausible story explaining why Fox would oppose Trump: Trump is talking up protectionism, Fox is for globalization.

Incidentally it is true, "nobody is purely impartial", yet from time to time journalists (or bloggers) are more or less objective. But the idea that Megyn was "exposed" as not being unbiased on Fox, seems to me to be absurd on its face. I can see, however, how that idea would resonate with those who buy into Fox's "fair and balanced" slogan. Which is another example of (originally Mark's idea?) that politics is RWG all the way down ... as implemented by Stones Rules.

Seth says

…

The title was …

“A Cockwork Orange”

so sorry

… i love

#TrumpBashing

Mark de LA says
Here you can get them both:

The Scorpion and the Tortoise: Enacted in American politics

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