WE EACH OF US HAVE AN INSIDE AND AN OUTSIDE ... ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON!



Re:  "WE EACH OF US HAVE AN INSIDE AND AN OUTSIDE ... ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON!"

there is a gestalt in relationship between this and that

... and a person being viewed as:
  • the manifold of their behavior from the outside (public) view.
  • the manifold of their experience from the inside (private) view
I don’t want to loose this gestalt ... but have not been able yet to  represent it in language.

"inside" is here defined as that which is private, only accessible inside a  single individual .... and "outside" is that which is public, accessible by all even outside that individual. 

...

(1) are feelings the only things that are exclusively inside, or private?

(2) can thoughts be either private or public?  A private thought becomes public when it is successflly communicated .... a public thought becomes private when it is understood.

(3) Actions are exclusively outside, they are always public.  (Else we do not call them actions or deeds.  Note this is strickly definitional here - behavioral psychology defines all experience as behavior - but i break experienc down to tht which can possibly directly effect the outside world, and that which cannot)

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I think this gestalt might have been seeing  "all the instances of the 6 kinds of changes with them starting, inside or outside me" as a manifold of me.  I won’t be sure if it was more than that unless i am able to re-enact it.  This item has been an exercise in providig the the context in which the wallaby emerged.

 
tag #InsideOutside 

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Seth says
(;-) 2015-08-31 09:05:52 18736
(;-) 2015-08-31 09:03:00 18736
seth 2015-08-31 09:00:23 18736
Incidentally the question inside what is answered by my definition ...
source: the body of this item

"inside" is here defined as that which is private, only accessible inside a  single individual .... and "outside" is that which is public, accessible by all even outside that individual. 
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Your abstraction begs the question of how one would draw a circle around what an individual is.
.. & maybe an individual chicken versus an individual penis ..

There are two concepts here: individual, and inside/outside.  If you don't have a clear idea of what an individual is we can define it elsewhere.

Inside/outside is defined by who can know what informtion.   Inforation is inside something if only those who are within the circle know it ... it other words it is private to them.  I didn't make this up, it comes from contemporary psychology ... not to mention computer security.   You cannot know my feelings, nobody but me can know my feelings, they are private to me, therefore according to my definition they are inside me.   It is a simple way of talking about things, it is not abstract, .... take any example and i will tell you whether it is inside me or outside me ... or whether it is both inside and outside.   Qualia, for example, are always inside. 

Most inanimate objects do not have anything inside them by this definition.   for example, does a thermostat have an inside?  ... which was a big question in AI circles some decades ago.  I say normally a thermostat does not have an inside, because any information that it knows can be ascertained by a third party examination.  But if security access was built into the thermostat, well then perchance it would have an inside. 

It is strange how much human psychology can be predicted by a clear understanding of private versus public access to information.

Mark de LA says
It is amazing how little is truth & how much is imaginary. Prediction is not necessarily God. Many so-called scientists & experts predict all kinds of shit which does not happen

Mark de LA says

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