hmmm... wondered this for quite a while about: are those negative thoughts actually yours? | wake up world


interesting to find Mark's original item where he asked where thought come from. 

ok finally found it off of thoughts see item 17416.
source: mark

This morning I recognized that it is just as curious to ask how a particular memory shows up in my mind as how & why a particular thought, idea or emotion shows up.
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Incidentally, i think I got that thought (question) above from Mark.  I don't remember reading it any other place before if first heard it from mark, nor do i remember asking that question myself. 

Where did you get that question, Mark ?

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Mark de LA says
seth 2015-09-05 08:50:52 18781
(;-)) 2015-09-05 08:37:20 18781
Where is that quote attributed to me besides you?

You wrote it yourself in 17416.
OK, thanks. The word curious didn't sound right - I think it s/b interesting as I think of it now. Memories usually external stimulus to show up in my mind or the equivalent internal touch stones.
 

Mark de LA says
perceive is more a grasping which is also used in the English like  do you grasp it yet?

perceive (v.) Look up perceive at Dictionary.comc. 1300, via Anglo-French parceif, Old North French *perceivre (Old French per├žoivre) "perceive, notice, see; recognize, understand," from Latin percipere "obtain, gather, seize entirely, take possession of," also, figuratively, "to grasp with the mind, learn, comprehend," literally "to take entirely," from per "thoroughly" (see per) + capere "to grasp, take" (see capable). 

Replaced Old English ongietan. Both the Latin senses were in Old French, though the primary sense of Modern French percevoir is literal, "to receive, collect" (rents, taxes, etc.), while English uses the word almost always in the metaphorical sense. Related: Perceived; perceiving.

Seth says
(;-)) 2015-09-05 09:14:57 18781
seth 2015-09-05 09:05:18 18781
(;-)) 2015-09-05 08:42:41 18781
Actually I don't think that way, if I ever did - at least any more.  I hold my organs of thought, physical & spiritual, as perceptive in nature - pre cognition - & I clothe the stuff thus perceived in words to bring whatever is there to my attention & awareness for later communication if I so desire .


Seems to me that you just kicked the can down the road ... substituting the word "percieved" for my word "absorbed".   Both of which express the idea that the thought comes from outside and that the associations involved in thinking the thought were not made by the "organ" itself.
Absorbed is not what I am saying.  I don't think I am absorbing that apple image with my eyes.


the salient quality here is that the characteristic was not originally created by your organ ... but rather existed external to it, and then the process happened whereby what was outside got reflected inside.

Seth says
(;-)) 2015-09-06 12:43:25 18781
seth 2015-09-06 12:09:38 18781
More practically i think we can assume that thoughts come originally to a person from the culture in which they live via normal human communication, ... people then apply those thoughts to their immediate contexts or situations  .... and sometimes they generate new associations and communicate those to others in their  culture, where if they work, continue to circulate. 

See, no schism necessary to explain where thoughts come from. 
THe challenge when I sired the thingy I basically was talking to myself. I wasn't at a loss for ideas . Certainly negative types. Not in a hurry to hear any more.


Well no man, even you, is an island and it does keep cropping up, even sourced from you ... and i think about this stuff too.   I have no idea why you want to keep your thouhts on the matter private and not rubb them abainst the rest of us out here.   Of course the simplelt and most direct way to be secret about your thoughts is not to post them on the internet at all.  But then you knew that ... so sorry, i am at a loss to get the "" joke.

Seth says
(;-)) 2015-09-05 10:41:35 18781
seth 2015-09-05 10:31:57 18781
true, "grasp" is a better descriptive word for perception than "absorb"; because it implies a more active participation which certainly does exists.  nevertheless perception has the essential feature that what was outside gets reflected inside.  
[to deal with elsewhere, it is a distraction here]

I would dispute the need for the word reflected & possibly even the word inside .  I suspect strongly that prepositions are irrelevant in such spiritual matters. However in cases of ceremonial magic AC & others do distinguish between invoking & evoking demons etc. which is about bringing in or casting out beings.


Well i do not expect a so called "spiritual world" apart from the world of which i just know nothing.  I don't expect any such objective schism exists in this world.  But i always get a kick from those who make up shit about worlds of which nothing is really know.   That said, things perceived by a person from one point of view, could be grasped quite differently, and even oppositely, as seen from an opposed view.  Perhaps there is a view where what is known, and what is not known, have different relationship to us than they do from our current point of view. 

Now, that would make a great Twilight Zone episode.

Seth says
More practically i think we can assume that thoughts come originally to a person from the culture in which they live via normal human communication, ... people then apply those thoughts to their immediate contexts or situations  .... and sometimes they generate new associations and communicate those to others in their  culture, where if they work, continue to circulate. 

See, no schism necessary to explain where thoughts come from. 

Seth says
(;-)) 2015-09-06 10:05:12 18781
Apparently you know nothing of what I write about.

Well, like you, i have heard the material from which i suspect it has sprung.  I don't know how your judgement of about this, "",  will contribute to our grasp of it.  Seems to me you you are trying to implying that you know something that i do not ... and doing that without actually articulating it.  Not the most practical way to communicate .

Apart from all that, i suspect what you are supposing that thoughts come from the spiritual world ... from the other side of this presumed schism.  But you answer to me of your question, "Where do thought come from?", cannot usefully be that they come from a place of which I know, and you do not.  Especially since i am supposing that this spiritual world of yours is just that world of which we know nothing.

Seth says
source: mark

yep - pretty normal for you. You seem to have copied my post/question so you could keep control of the conversation in your own way. How funny!
... not the motivations for what i did.   you can track the dates and actual sbstance if you care and, who knows, might actually be able to discern my real motivation .... but really who carers now ... to me that is just a grand egoo distraction.

Where thoughts come from is in its own right a very interesting question ... quite apart from your ego and mine.  I still think examining that objectively can lead to a deeper understanding of what is happening here. 

Seth says
(;-)) 2015-09-06 12:43:25 18781
seth 2015-09-06 12:09:38 18781
More practically i think we can assume that thoughts come originally to a person from the culture in which they live via normal human communication, ... people then apply those thoughts to their immediate contexts or situations  .... and sometimes they generate new associations and communicate those to others in their  culture, where if they work, continue to circulate. 

See, no schism necessary to explain where thoughts come from. 
THe challenge when I sired the thingy I basically was talking to myself. I wasn't at a loss for ideas . Certainly negative types. Not in a hurry to hear any more.


Well no man, even you, is an island and it does keep cropping up, even sourced from you ... and i think about this stuff too.   I have no idea why you want to keep your thouhts on the matter private and not rubb them abainst the rest of us out here .... when, of course, the simplest and most direct way to be secret about your thoughts is not to post them on the internet at all. 
But then you knew that ... so sorry, i am at a loss to get the "" joke.

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