There is enough ....

evil horse shit in the world & in governments that one does not need conspiracy theories to occupy one's time & mind with. 



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Mark de LA says
In other news on the Iran Deal a conspiracy with Iran seems to be happening:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/15/the-shady-family-behind-america-s-iran-lobby.html
Money
talks
Even
When
It says:
"Death
to
America"


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-09-15 10:52:05 18814

of course "evil" itself is the name of a conspiracy theory
In your mind only. Evil is a well known & used word:
evil (adj.) Look up evil at Dictionary.comOld English yfel (Kentish evel) "bad, vicious, ill, wicked," from Proto-Germanic *ubilaz (cognates: Old Saxon ubil, Old Frisian and Middle Dutch evel, Dutch euvel, Old High German ubil, German ├╝bel, Gothic ubils), from PIE *upelo-, from root *wap- "bad, evil" (cognates: Hittite huwapp- "evil").

In Old English and other older Germanic languages other than Scandinavian, "this word is the most comprehensive adjectival expression of disapproval, dislike or disparagement" [OED]. Evil was the word the Anglo-Saxons used where we would use bad, cruel, unskillful, defective (adj.), or harm (n.), crime, misfortune, disease (n.). In Middle English, bad took the wider range of senses and evil began to focus on moral badness. Both words have good as their opposite. Evil-favored (1520s) meant "ugly." Evilchild is attested as an English surname from 13c.

The adverb is Old English yfele, originally of words or speech. Also as a noun in Old English, "what is bad; sin, wickedness; anything that causes injury, morally or physically." Especially of a malady or disease from c. 1200. The meaning "extreme moral wickedness" was one of the senses of the Old English noun, but it did not become established as the main sense of the modern word until 18c. As a noun, Middle English also had evilty. Related: Evilly. Evil eye (Latin oculus malus) was Old English eage yfel. The jocular notion of an evil twin as an excuse for regrettable deeds is by 1986, American English, from an old motif in mythology.A conspiracy is something else which can be good or bad - a conspiracy of people dedicated to following the golden rule would be good in my estimation.Anyway:conspiracy (n.) Look up conspiracy at Dictionary.commid-14c., from Anglo-French conspiracie, Old French conspiracie "conspiracy, plot," from Latin conspirationem (nominative conspiratio) "agreement, union, unanimity," noun of action from conspirare (see conspire); earlier in same sense was conspiration (early 14c.), from French conspiration (13c.), from Latin conspirationem. An Old English word for it was facengecwis. As a term in law, from 1863. Conspiracy theory is from 1909.

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-09-16 09:40:05 18814
(;-)) 2015-09-16 08:36:16 18814
seth 2015-09-16 07:46:08 18814
Well "recognizing a commonality between events, naming an identity which causes them, and then blaming that identity for their occurrence" is a good description of what we call a "conspiracy theory".   We can use that description to find them.  It is also a good description of what we do when we recognize "evil".   Can you point out the difference without resorting to a fallacy?
Yeah. Use the right words.  You didn't say anything, really.  It is not paranoid if people are really out to get you. Is "death to America" a good enough clue clant for you & Iran? The word conspiracy can be good or bad according to the definition I already pointed out! It is not just a matter of labels, dude, birdies notwithstanding. Theory even means something less solid than truth or fact. Creating a meme out of thin air is the best you have.


Well of course it is all about how accurately the pattern is recognized, how coherent is the being who ostensibly causes it, and how reliable is the attribution to that being.   There is a spectrum here.  On the one end we have ridiculous theories like the one that started this discussion, on the other end we have people who insist on carrying the right wrong game to the extreme of killing people.  I have noticed gestalts all along that spectrum myself ... and i have watched others make them too. 
Yep pattern junkies can generalize to whatever they want to promote. Doesn't mean any approach closer to the truth & some even don't believe in that just a munge of emotelys & memes.


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-09-16 07:46:08 18814
Well "recognizing a commonality between events, naming an identity which causes them, and then blaming that identity for their occurrence" is a good description of what we call a "conspiracy theory".   We can use that description to find them.  It is also a good description of what we do when we recognize "evil".   Can you point out the difference without resorting to a fallacy?
Yeah. Use the right words.  You didn't say anything, really.  It is not paranoid if people are really out to get you. Is "death to America" a good enough clue clant for you & Iran? The word conspiracy can be good or bad according to the definition I already pointed out! It is not just a matter of labels, dude, birdies notwithstanding. Theory even means something less solid than truth or fact. Creating a meme out of thin air is the best you have.


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-09-16 10:40:51 18814
(;-)) 2015-09-16 10:29:32 18814
seth 2015-09-16 09:40:05 18814
(;-)) 2015-09-16 08:36:16 18814
seth 2015-09-16 07:46:08 18814
Well "recognizing a commonality between events, naming an identity which causes them, and then blaming that identity for their occurrence" is a good description of what we call a "conspiracy theory".   We can use that description to find them.  It is also a good description of what we do when we recognize "evil".   Can you point out the difference without resorting to a fallacy?
Yeah. Use the right words.  You didn't say anything, really.  It is not paranoid if people are really out to get you. Is "death to America" a good enough clue clant for you & Iran? The word conspiracy can be good or bad according to the definition I already pointed out! It is not just a matter of labels, dude, birdies notwithstanding. Theory even means something less solid than truth or fact. Creating a meme out of thin air is the best you have.


Well of course it is all about (1) how accurately the pattern is recognized, (2) how coherent is the being who ostensibly causes it, and (3) how reliable is the attribution to that being.   There is a spectrum here.  On the one end we have ridiculous theories like the one that started this discussion, on the other end we have people who insist on carrying the right wrong game to the extreme of killing people.  I have noticed gestalts all along that spectrum myself ... and i have watched others make them too. 
Yep pattern junkies can generalize to whatever they want to promote. Doesn't mean any approach closer to the truth & some even don't believe in that just a munge of emotelys & memes.


well all humans are pattern junkies ... that is what we do.  i'm going to call being oblivious to that a distraction. 

only thing i did here was to break the search for truth down into three parts (now enumerated above) rather than just one big lump to emote about according to our internal biases.  not to mention that knowing what process is happening, again and again, and where it can fail, improves our attention to details. 
samo-samo munge to nothingness (or a crock)  with birdies flying all around.

Mark de LA says
Then there was this show on the Science channel last night:
http://www.sciencechannel.com/tv-shows/through-the-wormhole/are-pathological-liars-wired-differently-2/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem-science-channel-ustarget&utm_content=55f8fae804d30161ce000001&utm_medium=paid&utm_source=trueanthem

Before you begin to suggest who might qualify look in the mirror & ponder a bit.


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-09-16 11:29:03 18814
(;-)) 2015-09-16 11:12:04 18814



i think we all qualify ... this is about humans in general.
Yep, a generalist would avoid looking & make sure he had company. 

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