Absorb This .... !

Focus on & separate out of perceptual chaos of stuff to perceive (chaos not yet become cosmos (BC)) - something to communicate about - to yourself or others & one is working with distinction & making distinctions. Language provides a vehicle to do such. The more crisp the distinction or focus & the language about the distinction the easier or better the communication is & is likely to work for oneself & others. Going in the opposite direction is munging a scoop or shovel of the perceptive chaos - giving it language which is vague & which already has its own individual distinction - & calling it something else.

I prefer the former to the latter.

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  1. distinction
  2. item 18808
  3. rwg

Comments


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-09-19 14:34:53 18827
it just dawned on me that the determination of "right/wrong" is always made subjectively inside each side.  Based upon that how valuable could it possible be?
Yeah, GW "
P.2693 84-5-4-28-14-3-MON (26/1/16 ago or 26.13 yrs from this writing)
".... The question of illative force is controversial in some minds.  In our book every Ultimate Particle has Consciousness, a Category concomitant with others such as Unity, Extension, Persistence, Motion i.e. each UP has an Ego, whose function is JUDGEMENT, which is expresses as a "statement" or "equation" properly quantified & qualified ...
so what.

Seth says
no problem

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-09-18 09:29:47 18827
yep distinctions are made and communicated through the tokens of language .

successful communication happens when similar distinctions are established in separate minds.

thing is individual minds change as they take in new information and discover new possiblities.   when that happens new distinctions need to be made and successfully communicated to keep the minds in sync resonating with a similar understandings.  Assuming, of course, that the mind's agenda's are to resonate together. 

Unfortunately, between you and I, that is all too frequently not the case .

Incidentally, your word "mung" means to me that your mind is refusing to resonate with a distinction that i have drawn.  You just told me that again when you said, mung is where [my] "language which is vague & which already has its own individual distinction - & calling it something".  that is exactly as it would appear to you in my model. 

But there really is no problem ... i don't expect all of my thoughts to resonate in your mind ... your mind is already so different and quite comfortable with its tried and trusted distinctions ... it would be disrespectful of me to presume that your would absorb such unusual (to you) shit.  You, after all, have the unquestioned right to curate your own mind.

So, bro, have fun ... it's all good as they say .
Munge on dude! I don't know what you said. It is too much effort to parse out something distinct from your above munge.  I know you could say it clearer if you wanted to - like blame me for not understanding you, but ... I am sure the way you said it made you feel better.


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-09-19 12:38:16 18827
(;-)) 2015-09-19 12:17:38 18827
It is interesting that a first-class munger like Bzo would claim both not doing the right wrong game, make the right wrong game wrong & want to keep his thoughts & items clean of other comments he doesn't like.
who knows? integrity may show up there some day.

i notice that the rwg decays focus and almost always wastes time and energy.  i do avoid it, whenever i can, but am not always successful when others insist that it must be played.
Still at it too!

Mark de LA says
Instead of a narrow minded focus on right & wrong being subjective I took a more expansive view of every ultimate particle has judgement. Nice, huh?


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-09-20 01:06:43 18827
(;-)) 2015-09-19 15:48:32 18827
seth 2015-09-19 14:34:53 18827
it just dawned on me that the determination of "right/wrong" is always made subjectively inside each side.  Based upon that how valuable could it possible be?
Yeah, GW "
P.2693 84-5-4-28-14-3-MON (26/1/16 ago or 26.13 yrs from this writing)
".... The question of illative force is controversial in some minds.  In our book every Ultimate Particle has Consciousness, a Category concomitant with others such as Unity, Extension, Persistence, Motion i.e. each UP has an Ego, whose function is JUDGEMENT, which is expresses as a "statement" or "equation" properly quantified & qualified ...
so what.

Well i can't figure out how that relates to what i said.   But playing the rwg for the feeling of one's ego being right at another's expense is kind of like a criminal being allowed to judge his own crime ... he would always judge himself in the right ... so the whole process does nothing ... it is a useless game.  To be useful it needs an objective judge.  So, yes i judge the rwg played here as a waste of time, and i do that quite independent of whatever game we are playing here.  In other words, I don't say that just for the sake of argument.

Competition is another thing ... there you have the consequences of the world judging objectively.  Judgements of the world are independent of your internal subjective glees, "" or "", whatever you feel when you yourself judge that you said something right whereas the other person said something wrong.

And, strangely enough, i really would like to hear how that train of thought is in error. 
See above (or below), ...  making the RWG wrong is similar in character to missing the point of the zen-ontological statement on the  emptiness & meaninglessness of life & that judgement being empty & meaningless as well.
(get well soon)


Seth says
source: mark

making the RWG wrong is similar in character to missing the point of the zen-ontological statement on the  emptiness & meaninglessness of life & that judgement being empty & meaningless as well.
... actually "the rwg being wrong" doesn't work for me either.  

Rather i've noticed that it just wastes my energy. 

The content and meaning of my life is what i make it to be. 
There can be no objective judgement of that. 

(get well soon)

Don't worry yourself ... i'm just fine now. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-09-20 08:53:26 18827
(;-)) 2015-09-20 08:06:42 18827
Instead of a narrow minded focus on right & wrong being subjective I took a more expansive view of every ultimate particle has judgement. Nice, huh?


oh, ok, now your reaction makes more sense (). 

how do the judgements of these ultimate particles combine to yield the larger spoken judgement?   i can't see the specifics of that happening myself ... some plane must supervene ... and that's not in your model.  still and all the subjective/objective frames of reference would need to emerge anyway, else the model would not match what we can actually experience.  but don't trouble yourself to absorb that thought, it is just my unsuccessful attempt to absorb yours.

() is used here to point out my continued curiosity on this matter.   Unfortunately we don't seem to be able to agree on what these emoties mean. 
Imaginary munge & global birdie in my judgement

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