Fall is a wasted on the city


Leaves fall to the ground and year on year make soil for new growth.  Not so in the city.  Here they are swept up with tire dust and nauseous chemicals and taken finally to landfill.   I verified this by talking with King County maintenance facility and even found the bin where it is  waiting to be trucked to the dump.  Pictured here, it looked pretty dirty, not something that i would use for organic compost.  


Thing is i need these leaves to compost for soil for Russell Farm for next year ....

Mission accomplished .... i didn't even need the leaf mulcer which I intend to take back to home depo

zoom to russell farm album

Heard a gardener sucking up leaves in near us and got him to just lay it on me ...his name is Jose (see phone in private email).
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and finally bozo got enough fall leaves for now
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a Neapolitan from our garbage can.

shared on facebook

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the @, as jason likes to call it, put to bed for the winter of 2015/2016

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Comments


Seth says
choy 2015-11-11 17:50:49 18928
seth 2015-11-11 14:05:52 18928
[tag shadows] is a much better tag than [tag shadow selfie] .. at least for inside fastblogit, ... but for outside fastblogit, you decice.   just saying.
It looked like your shadow taking a picture of you back.

Does this zoomed picture bear out that interpretation? ... how bout the extra added fact that 2 people were standing there?


before i started using the garbarge can i had burried about 2 weeks of kitchen scraps in a mound of dirt and grass that was leftover from digging up the lawn.   i went up top of that mound and dug as deep as i possibly could and it was all just soft soil, nothing of the scraps remained.  they tell us to use the can out of fear from rats ... but i am not so sure that the free soil is better. 

i also fell off the mound and fractured my bones.   so jason needed to finish the digging down there to get the soil, which we put over the eggplant which did not bear any fruit. 

Seth says
choy 2015-11-12 15:09:53 18928
Yep,. a lot of shit happens in the name of the "common good" or the "greater good'. I'm not an anarchist, but I shun others' attempts to define what either term points to in any specific situation by some over-arching law or formal definition.


Well big things do happen when people get on the same wave length, cooperating with each other to make them happen.  That happens best, imho, from the bottom up ... but if a strong leader tells a compelling story, it can catch from his ego, top down.

Spitting the distasteful name "good" out of your mouth is just telling a story against your joining the cooperation ... same story you tell about "we" ... it is your grand excuse never to cooperate with something outside of yourself ... and it works for you every time ... for example you now feel totally justified in affixing mono-item subjective judgemental tags. 

Thing is, cooperation is what this life does in the long run ... the rest, as far as i can tell, is static or some glorious story in service only to a transitory selfie animal.

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-11-13 08:52:32 18928
source: mark shouts

When the word "good" becomes distasteful I know you have gone over to the dark side! I'm not going to go join you there. Remember I am the one who invented the motto for Common Logic "A SYNERGY OF INDIVIDUALS" - I still believe in that! No dictatorship of the proletariat - but, cooperation where such is voluntary according to one's own judgement (not yours!).  The rest of your ΒΆ is the usual munge of RWG sarcasm.
[item 18474] elaborates further.

Strange you supposed that the word "good" would be distasteful in my mouth ... whereas i was talking about how you seemed to used it. 

But i am glad you apparently do see value in voluntary cooperation .  

Now how about tagging ... do you see any common good in tagging things that are related with the same exact tag?
This is your paragraph beginning NOT MINE! Your mind-reading is really shit!
source: ... Spitting the distasteful name "good" out of your mouth is just telling a story against your joining the cooperation ...
... I like the idea of tags that cluster.  Enforcing them in this tiny  blog is not my thingy. A useful tag-cloud (not the long slow list provided) would help such a thing if that is what YOU desire.



Seth says
source: mark asks
Serious fracture or something else?  How are your bones now?
Well given my 3 foot height on the mound, that the bones on my left arm absorbed the kinetic  energy of my fall, and that arm is where the sharp pain happens when i put any weight on those bones, i am assuming that it is a fracture. 
The good news is that bones heal ... credit the greatness of my human predicament

Seth says
incidentally i myself detected a minuscule chuckle upon seeing your shadow selfie.  but i was laughing at your weirdness regarding selfies ... not the shadow pictures of them .

Seth says
choy 2015-11-12 13:43:26 18928
seth 2015-11-12 12:46:00 18928
choy 2015-11-12 12:13:38 18928
seth 2015-11-12 11:49:03 18928
choy 2015-11-12 10:51:34 18928
Yeah I tend to go private when I want to do "unsanctioning", being a free speech kind guy.

tagging, of course, being the exception.  By design tagging somebody else's item cannot be private to yourself.  your freedom is not the issue, never was, ... the issue by design is what retrievals or associations can be shared.  if it were practical i would charge a micro payment for tag rooms containing a single item ... er so as to strike a balance between the needs of pertinent  associations and your selfie mirth.

but hey ... don't take it personally ... your freedom is not wrong, notwithstanding even the static that it produces.  after all, your shadow selfie was brilliant !  ... i suppose sans your freedom that little connection would never have happened.
Yeah, you should probably try to sell your idea to twitter.

they have the idea already.  i am one of the few who have used it to the hilt.  Nobody seems to realize where that halt is, and how much more useful it becomes when more and more people use it with integrity.  so it has become like a wheel, which unattached to a vehicle, seems just a fun thing to play with.
twitter charges micropayments for things miss-tagged?

oh ... that's what you meant.  actually that in a whole ecology of incentives and disincentives might actually work to move our social media awareness to become more referential and focused  with increased integrity  ... and yes twitter has the transaction volume to make it interesting.

thing is these bamtags, as nathan dubbed them, apparently are a lot of fun for people ... notwithstanding that they are a corruption.   nathan and I discussed this at length in folldle.me but it would be too tedious to make that accessible to you here.  nathan's solution was to separate #tags from #bamtags ... me, i am not so sure that would end up favoring tags.   its a case where opting for an instant selfie high, degrades the commons ... given all the memes today favoring the former, the latter decays ... see the "tragedy of the commons", a famous paper on the subject.



Seth says
choy 2015-11-12 10:20:18 18928
seth 2015-11-12 10:15:06 18928
seth 2015-11-12 08:19:00 18928
choy 2015-11-12 08:02:42 18928
seth 2015-11-12 07:55:14 18928
choy 2015-11-11 17:50:49 18928
seth 2015-11-11 14:05:52 18928
[tag shadows] is a much better tag than [tag shadow selfie] .. at least for inside fastblogit, ... but for outside fastblogit, you decice.   just saying.



It was just an amusement - don't go all rigid about it. Do what you want with the label.


understood .   Did you notice the shadow selfie actually connected with more similar external images ?   I had not expected  that.   Did you expect it? 

Mark: Is it an -AND- an -OR- ?

Google searches prefer anding all words ... but if they don't find any of those, they may include results with only some of the words.  Fastblogit tag search requires an exact match of all words. 

I do have a lot of selfie shadow pictures here, and apparently others have taken many more.   "shadow selfie" is a more referential tag as it brings us more pertinent shadow pictures ... kudos

... but was that your actual intention in the tag?  ... or just an unintended consequence?
yeah, I don't look elsewhere when I tag, just at what I am tagging at the moment. The tag was intended to amuse.


so your unsanctioned usage inadvertently (and surprisingly) found a better tag ... shit like that happens ... albeit rarely ... some might even say all improvement happens thusly.  good thing i tested it externally before i automatically deleted it.

Seth says
choy 2015-11-13 10:10:37 18928
seth 2015-11-13 09:52:39 18928
source: mark states

Enforcing them in this tiny blog is not my thingy.

I take it then that voluntary cooperation on  tagging at fastblogit is also not your thingy.
[...] If I have to spend a lot of energy looking for one already used tag before tagging something I might not tag at all except for my own convenience.


i have found that the extra effort in getting a good tag pays off in the long run in how many associations and remembrances we connect to both internally and externally.

mark, this is voluntary ... do it or not ... my only point here is that the positive effect of the cooperation will not happen unless you in fact cooperate. 

Seth says
source: mark continues

Yep, I've yet to see any synergy there yet.  If I want to find [google composting] for example I will just do the search - likewise with facebook & G+.   I rarely do anything with twitter. I just discovered the utility of Pinterest for pictures.

Well i have seen the synergy.  No amount of retyping search arguments on other websites can possibly simulate it, especially for intentionally making trains of thought among materials here and linking them to external thoughts.  To me it is thinking itself.    

now that you mention it, maybe i should include pinterest in the external tag links ... that might increase the ease of finding pertinent images beyond the current google images which is already working quite well.

perhaps incidental  to you, is that regardless of the value of your complaints to yourself, what they are not, is cooperation with tagging.  That should be clear, even to you.  to me you are like  a person who has put on his skies and stands stationary on a snowy slope complaining how skiing is no fun at all. 

Again, the story I am telling here is that there is an extreme value for humans to cooperate.  It may well be the path to most amazing things that humans can do, and the foundation of civilization itself.   Your exemplifying the opposite with your complaints is a strange and funny distraction from that story

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-11-14 09:15:35 18928
source: mark continues

Yep, I've yet to see any synergy there yet.  If I want to find [google composting] for example I will just do the search - likewise with facebook & G+.   I rarely do anything with twitter. I just discovered the utility of Pinterest for pictures.

Well i have seen the synergy.  No amount of retyping search arguments on other websites can possibly simulate it, especially for intentionally making trains of thought among materials here and linking them to external thoughts.  To me it is thinking itself.    

now that you mention it, maybe i should include pinterest in the external tag links ... that might increase the ease of finding pertinent images beyond the current google images which is already working quite well.

perhaps incidental  to you, is that regardless of the value of your complaints to yourself, what they are not, is cooperation with tagging.  That should be clear, even to you.  to me you are like  a person who has put on his skies and stands stationary on a snowy slope complaining how skiing is no fun at all. 

Again, the story I am telling here is that there is an extreme value for humans to cooperate.  It may well be the path to most amazing things that humans can do, and the foundation of civilization itself.   Your exemplifying the opposite with your complaints is a strange andTH funny distraction from that story
That is YOUR STORY & obviously YOU ARE STICKING TO IT! I am not complaining & "not cooperating" - in spite of  your verbal bullying about it. You apparently have completely ignored my suggestion about a better tag cloud (perhaps even external to fbi programming) like maybe [bully : tagsource seth] which might act like [bully: google seth] but supply a picklist of possible metadata labels ranked by volume or some other criteria.
BTW, to be complaining I would have to accept that you or an anonymous mob or gang of people of the twitterverse or any other Internet bunch & are the ultimate judges of what is appropriate to call something or label it. I would have to accept that I could not do anything about it but make noise. But, you are not even close on that.  True could kick me off fbi but then that nuclear option would have  mostly alone here.

Mark de LA says
i.e. talking to your shadow. BTW, my Rottweiler bitch is named Shadow according to her behavior like the old nursery rime .

Seth says
source: mark shouts

That is YOUR STORY & obviously YOU ARE STICKING TO IT!
... well yes ... i said that myself ... what do you mean by shouting it back to me?

I am not complaining & "not cooperating" [...]
yes, you are "not cooperating" thanks for acknowledging

incidentally i have long long ago given up on trying to get you to voluntarily use integrity in your tagging.  Nor would it profit us for me to try to force you to do it.

incidentally, I think my bullying that you seem to be complaining about is just how you interpret your reluctance to cooperate ... for if you had the will to cooperate, there is no way you could feel my reasoning as bullying.  

i don't know how i can usefully integrate tag clouds here given my limited energy for fastblogit development and my not recognizing what it would provide that is not already functional.  But i don't see that as bearing on this cooperation thingie whos story i am telling. 

Bear in mind that this cooperation thingie has no part that includes excuses not to cooperate.  It is a being in and of itself.  In this case it does not exist. 

Seth says
Ask yourself which came first, your will not to cooperate, or the reasons you keep talking about why you do not?

-- or --

Given you will to cooperate, would any of those reasons mean anything to you at all?

--

So what is the real thingie here ... what actually exists?  ... your will not to cooperate ... or the stories you tell to justify it?

Seth says
choy 2015-11-14 12:47:58 18928
If you are going to want cooperation it is like MUSIC you are going to have to play the right tunes to get the harmony you want not just the ones your EGO feels are sweet. 
E.G.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pa9x9fZBtY

yep

Seth says
source: mark shouts his judgment

GARBAGE SALAD!
source: and insultingly shouts his complaint

OR SOMETHING ELSE, DUDE! YOUR NOT READING WHAT I WRITE!

the fact that you seem angry about this indicates to me that all of these messages are complaints, your assertion to the contrary notwithstanding.

Re complaints it would be interesting to distinguish between an analysis (and or a judgement) and complaining.   Seems to me that the element of anger and ad honimem insults  turns a objective analyst or a honest judgement into just a complaint.  ... which according to this train of thought, complaining, is to be avoided.

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