Togetherness by AC and Bernie Sanders

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"We are all in this together."
Bernie Sanders
"Unite yourself passionately with every other form of consciousness, thus destroying the sense of separateness from the Whole"
Aleister Crowley

 "Can we all get along?"
Rodney King

"Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as is cooperation with good."

Tags

  1. item 18963
  2. togetherness
  3. we are in this together
  4. we
  5. bernie sanders
  6. aleister crowley
  7. duty
  8. cooperation
  9. understanding
  10. rodney king
  11. contrived togetherness
  12. representation

Comments


Seth says
seth 2015-10-24 08:51:02 18964
source: mark
Like I said earlier & maybe need to expand just a tiny bit is this item is contrived & about as inspiring toward togetherness as a contrived platitude or a hallmark greeting card - enjoy the buzz anyway.
Zzz...
this item represents a pattern of what people have said about persons acting together in cooperation.  it ended up being only 4 examples so far, but many many more can be found.

that you expected it to be "inspiring toward togetherness" is something that you yourself have contrived about it. 

cooperation between persons is something that needs to be done to be experienced personally.  the thoughts about that experience, the memes written about it, are in quite a different plane from the cooperation itself.  i would call that plane, "awareness of what people believe about cooperation". 

Sans that awareness things are quite different than with it.  Representing things changes them ... i'll look up the tag room for that and perchance enhance it.

i am elaborating this in 18968

Mark de LA says
Yeah - I discovered it somewhere else, but you began quoting it out of context for an agenda of some kind & I wanted to fully digest it before you destroy it.

Mark de LA says
Yeah, like POTUS does with Republicans & Hillary does with corruption.


Seth says
choy 2015-10-23 15:48:00 18964
seth 2015-10-23 15:02:57 18964
source: mark

Sigh - should is your munge which puts it in duty not what RK said. Just you gathering more erroneous Ethos to your point of view without really adding anything. Enjoy.  Yet illustrating why I went private with DUTY.

... with respect, that is argumentative bull shit.

"Should" always express a value judgement, and so does a person telling you what they believe is your duty. 
Learn what the word DUTY means fuckhead! your telling me anything about my behavior means nothing about my duty - nor RK saying it is so either.
kwitmakingshitup!

telling a person their duty is telling a person how they should behave. 

if you think that is not the case, then you should tell me why not. 

Seth says
choy 2015-10-23 13:04:28 18964
seth 2015-10-23 12:47:27 18964
Crowley puts it on duty... saying as it were like Rodney King's, "we all should get along". 

Me, i wouldn't even go that far ... people shold be free to opt in (or not) ...

what is this anyway ...  Does AC have a birdie in his pocket? 
should?

Sigh ... you are so funcking literal and picayune.

Obviously Rodney's impassioned outburst carried a value judgement that we should all get along.

Mark de LA says
Kumbaya folks with all your candidate donors who want something from the power elite to make them even more rich & powerful while poverty grows.

Mark de LA says
You might digest it google crowled duty a bit better.  The word WE occurs once only in this quote from Liber Legis in DUTY
Liber Legis II,21 ... "We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let
them die in their misery: For they feel not.
Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the
wretched and the weak: this is the law of the strong:
this is our law and the joy of the world.
... The point of view of Had, eh?


Seth says
There is nothing necessarily contrived about togetherness. When it actually happens it feels quite natural.  

And i am sure that the Bernie and Crowley and Rodney and Gandhi were not suggesting that people fake it.

Tagging this item contrived togetherness is a misassociation.

Seth says
source: mark

I don't think you understand the word.
Well i read your referenced dictionary definition of Duty and it did correspond to my understanding, and my understanding of the usage here and of its usage in the military and of Gandhi's usage quoted above.  I can't really compare it to AC because you made that private ... but he telling people how they should behave ... that is to "Unite yourself passionately with every other form of consciousness, thus destroying the sense of separateness from the Whole".

Anyway this guessing game is over. 

Seth says
source: mark

Yep, it is a wonderful thingy that Golden Rule kinda stuff ... Rodney King et al. "Can't we all just get along" .... the Devil is in the details of how Sanders or the Pope or Isis want to accomplish it.

Absolute power corrupts.
... yep yep of course ... even though ISIS is odd man out in your grouping.

Too bad you made your post of AC's public duties private to yourself ... i was tripping on the wisdom in them ... hmmm ... i guess that is not something that you intend that you and I are together therewith ... not to be in our "united consciousness"


Seth says
source: mark
Like I said earlier & maybe need to expand just a tiny bit is this item is contrived & about as inspiring toward togetherness as a contrived platitude or a hallmark greeting card - enjoy the buzz anyway.
Zzz...
this item represents a pattern of what people have said about persons acting together in cooperation.  it ended up being only 4 examples so far, but many many more can be found.

that you expected it to be "inspiring toward togetherness" is something that you yourself have contrived about it. 

cooperation between persons is something that needs to be done to be experienced personally.  the thoughts about that experience, the memes written about it, are in quite a different plane from the cooperation itself.  i would call that plane, "awareness of what people believe about cooperation". 

Sans that awareness things are quite different than with it.  Representing things changes them ... i'll look up the tag room for that and perchance enhance it.

Seth says
source: mark

It is NOT my DUTY to tell you why not!
... perhaps not.   But that is one way for you to contribute to our mutual understanding and cooperation.  Otherwise i am assuming that your point was just a argumentative, uninformative, and uncooperative distraction, serving your own selfie in your own mind. 

Incidentally with a bit of meditation i think i arrived at why you think telling a person their duty is different from just telling them how they should behave.  It amounts to believing that duty would refer to something absolute given by God (or other such absolute authority).  Is that your distinction?



Mark de LA says
seth 2015-10-24 09:28:12 18964
choy 2015-10-24 08:10:04 18964
Togetherness is a matter of how the parts gather, with whomsoever else & what happens afterwards - the why of getting together. Frankly, there is nothing sacred about human gathering per se as humans are already gathered on the Earth - one place in the Universe. Accomplished!
Pondering sub-clustering for other purposes - your purpose or mine or someone else's gives pause to questioning the properties of the people, purposes, incentives to cluster, disincentives to not clustering & a whole host of things to examine besides; fundamentally the individual versus the collective. Beyond  a critical mass of several dozen & individuals lose contact with each other & leaders, ruling bodies etc emerge & all the other problems of governments. Such are not likely to be solved with slogans, memes, blogs & contrived platitudes !


yep somewhat like that .  

I don't have all the answers ... and am just trying to dink with this relationship of myself to the world to understand it better.  it is important to me.  others are experimenting too.  it is an on-going collective opus.  a work of art.  The Great Work perchance. 
Perchance, the Gathering unto the Great Birdie WE

Seth says
choy 2015-10-24 08:10:04 18964
Togetherness is a matter of how the parts gather, with whomsoever else & what happens afterwards - the why of getting together. Frankly, there is nothing sacred about human gathering per se as humans are already gathered on the Earth - one place in the Universe. Accomplished!
Pondering sub-clustering for other purposes - your purpose or mine or someone else's gives pause to questioning the properties of the people, purposes, incentives to cluster, disincentives to not clustering & a whole host of things to examine besides; fundamentally the individual versus the collective. Beyond  a critical mass of several dozen & individuals lose contact with each other & leaders, ruling bodies etc emerge & all the other problems of governments. Such are not likely to be solved with slogans, memes, blogs & contrived platitudes !


yep somewhat like that .  

I don't have all the answers ... and am just trying to dink with this relationship of myself to the world to understand it better.  it is important to me.  others are experimenting too.  it is an on-going collective opus.  a work of art.  The Great Work perchance. 

Seth says
source: mark

Yep - dats yo stuff - doesn't generalize much further(to me anyway)
... not a problem at all .

the part of "my stuff" that does not ring true over there is just otherness to you. 

the part that does ring true is what we are sharing.  that part is understanding and cooperation and potentially our human togetherness. 

me i like that part best ... it is what counts.

your continual represention of your negativity to my otherness to you, is really just "your stuff" and i tend now to just think this Yogi Bhajan's meme about it. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-10-24 09:21:39 18964
source: mark

Yep - dats yo stuff - doesn't generalize much further(to me anyway)
... not a problem at all .

the part of "my stuff" that does not ring true over there is just otherness to you. 

the part that does ring true is what we are sharing.  that part is understanding and cooperation and potentially our human togetherness. 

me i like that part best ... it is what counts.

your continual represention of your negativity to my otherness to you, is really just "your stuff" and i tend now to just think this Yogi Bhajan's meme about it. 
Yep - He's not my yogi - not my swami - you used otherness like a RWG tag - nice going. Nice togetherness meme to tag another person as otherness because he differs.
Must be some reason there are other people on the Earth besides YOU.

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