this group is a mirage

apparently this group got built automaticdally as an open group … and me i fell into it just by virtue of me signing in when some logic between group and author was switched

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  1. nbugs
  2. brainstorm
  3. juggy
  4. item or post
  5. ego
  6. nbugs done

Comments


Seth says
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 08:27:26 [item 19202]
Yea. I didn’t create this group. It’s probably been around for eons. But it does show clearly a big problem with the system right now. When lots of people are coming here they will be creating lots of groups, just even to see how to create one because the wizard keeps telling them to.

Many of those people won’t ever do anything with those groups … hence they will be total dead flotsam that are just tying up nice group names that others *could* be using.

Others will add a bogus post and/or comment and then never come back. Also tying valuable group name resources.

A good system would purge unused groups periodically and send out requests to new content group owners after, say a month, to see if they really want to keep the group. Of course, the system would have to know who that is and where to send it.

The whole idea of easy start-up and anonymous posters is great for a small community. For a large communality, it will soon bog down under it’s own dead weight in a number of ways, not just this one. It is a real issue that should be more considered. enlightened

yep groups need to be curated by the of the domain.  and we need a feature that allows their deletion.

i do not know how far this scales up before it must fork to a different domain to keep it’s coherance.   i doubt that can be known in advance.    again this model is not designed to be another single site that billions of people use … the features shuld be targeted to smaller groups and what they need to maintain cooperation and coherance and focus.   when the domain becomes too chaotic for those there … naturally they forkt to anothert domain.   in a way that can be a very excellant way for this thingey to spread.   i mean it is just sooo fucking biological ...almost scary.

OMG ...i just wrot all of that in this open group bozo … hmm … maybe he’s not such a bad guy after all wink

Si says
choy 2015-12-15 09:16:33 [item 19202]
I created it by accidentally signing on with bozo in the group name instead of the user . was surprised it created a group. it was not the usual doorway.
seth 2015-12-15 12:57:18 [item 19202]
hmmm ...you created it ?   i though i did .  laugh
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 12:59:32 [item 19202]
That is probably not how it got created. Those are separate paths to separate files and have never been mixed up. It was probably there and you just logged in to it and because it was an empty group it showed you the welcome message.
seth 2015-12-15 13:04:44 [item 19202]
actually it may well have already existed ...and as an open group.   but i assure you that i would never have logged in to it … no way ...i know how to use my fingers here.   what prolly happened is that you had group and author switched at some time … so that when i logged in as bozo@fbi, i ended up as fib@bozo.  … or something very similar.   it is interesting too that mark apparently got hoisted on the same pitard.
Bug apperently fixed whatever happend.
[send to back room]

Seth says
choy 2015-12-15 09:16:33 [item 19202]
I created it by accidentally signing on with bozo in the group name instead of the user . was surprised it created a group. it was not the usual doorway.
seth 2015-12-15 12:57:18 [item 19202]
hmmm ...you created it ?   i though i did .  laugh
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 12:59:32 [item 19202]
That is probably not how it got created. Those are separate paths to separate files and have never been mixed up. It was probably there and you just logged in to it and because it was an empty group it showed you the welcome message.
actually it may well have already existed ...and as an open group.   but i assure you that i would never have logged in to it … no way ...i know how to use my fingers here.   what prolly happened is that you had group and author switched at some time … so that when i logged in as bozo@fbi, i ended up as fib@bozo.  … or something very similar.   it is interesting too that choy apparently got hoisted on the same pitard.

and yes … bug sure looks like it is fixed now … smileysmiley

 

Seth says
seth 2015-12-15 13:08:00 [item 19202]
omg we got a real fork
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 13:09:22 [item 19202]
Did you see the forking message?

yes i did yes

Seth says
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 09:29:12 [item 19202]
When I add a tag to this group and then click on the tag, it goes to a page that says “
  no such thing: user”.
 Is that a new bug or an old feature?

Also. I seem to be wanted to tag threads. I read something and think “oh that’s important for future work, I want to mark it ‘brainstorming’”. But doesn’t seem like I can do that right?
seth 2015-12-15 12:59:59 [item 19202]
hmmm … that must have been a local problem...and/or a temporary bug.   i cannot reproduce it.

anyway, you do not “add a tag to a group”, rather you add a tag to an item.   So i am like totally unsure where you added your tag.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 13:03:16 [item 19202]
Okay, post. The blogging industry calls them posts and if this is a blog site then these would be posts.

It happens right here. I am in post 19202 and when I added the tag juggy it added. Then I clicked on that tag in the tag list and it went to the above error screen.
seth 2015-12-15 13:15:18 [item 19202]
well i prefer the word “item” to refer to an item … “post” could also refer to a comment.  

19202 has been successfully put in the brainstorm room.  what is your problem?
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 13:20:03 [item 19202]
So you want this to be a blog site. You want it to be super easy for people to come here and blog. But you don’t want to use standard well know terminology and do things in the ways that millions of bloggers are already used to so it’s easy for them. Hummm … hows that working out again? Got lots of users?
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 13:26:03 [item 19202]
Also. Item is very general. Anything can be an item. A field in a database can be an item. It just means “a something”. Post is very specific. It has a long history of meaning from the media and news industry. And I have never heard anyone refer to a comment as anything but a comment. Never a post.

these are items, accept it and move on.

Si says
seth 2015-12-15 14:03:05 [item 19202]
incidentally i am not stuck on a dislike button.   it might well be better as just {like, read}.   i know there is a lot of though running around about never expressing negativity of any sort. 
Cool. Didn’t feel it was. 

Seth says
seth 2015-12-15 13:36:16 [item 19202]
juggy must have been affixed by mark … notice it goes nowhere … and makes no pertinant associations.   it is static to my mind.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 13:42:50 [item 19202]
I added that tag, not mark. I made sure it didn’t exist first. I have figured out that the tag error happens when on a post where the url starts with /user/item/# … it’s okay when the url starts with /permalink/ or other things.
seth 2015-12-15 14:21:44 [item 19202]
hmmm … i have never noticed the “bug” to which you are refering.   what error?
 
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 14:26:00 [item 19202]
This error. The root of the comment before this one that started this whole subject.


When I add a tag to this group and then click on the tag, it goes to a page that says “
  no such thing: user”.

I guess you got so bent out of shape that I called a post a group, you brain dumped the rest?
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 14:29:00 [item 19202]
Okay. Finally figured out how one gets to this /user/ place. It happens from the news screen. The links there, which I reformatted the css for but did not change the code that generates them, take you to /user/item/ITEM_NUMBER instead of /permalink/?tem=ITEM_NUMBER … and it’s on those /user/ pages that the tag errors happen.
ok … i was just trying figuring out that strange url http://dev.fastblogit.com/user/item/19197 … might acually be valid url … well seems like it should have been more like http://dev.fastblogit.com/bozo/item/19197 .. which also works …. not sure what i was thinking when i stuck that code in.

Seth says
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 09:29:12 [item 19202]
When I add a tag to this group and then click on the tag, it goes to a page that says “
  no such thing: user”.
 Is that a new bug or an old feature?

Also. I seem to be wanted to tag threads. I read something and think “oh that’s important for future work, I want to mark it ‘brainstorming’”. But doesn’t seem like I can do that right?
seth 2015-12-15 12:59:59 [item 19202]
hmmm … that must have been a local problem...and/or a temporary bug.   i cannot reproduce it.

anyway, you do not “add a tag to a group”, rather you add a tag to an item.   So i am like totally unsure where you added your tag.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 13:03:16 [item 19202]
Okay, post. The blogging industry calls them posts and if this is a blog site then these would be posts.

It happens right here. I am in post 19202 and when I added the tag juggy it added. Then I clicked on that tag in the tag list and it went to the above error screen.
seth 2015-12-15 13:15:18 [item 19202]
well i prefer the word “item” to refer to an item … “post” could also refer to a comment.  

19202 has been successfully put in the brainstorm room.  what is your problem?
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 13:20:03 [item 19202]
So you want this to be a blog site. You want it to be super easy for people to come here and blog. But you don’t want to use standard well know terminology and do things in the ways that millions of bloggers are already used to so it’s easy for them. Hummm … hows that working out again? Got lots of users?
seth 2015-12-15 13:28:29 [item 19202]
well the word “item” is exactly what these things here are.  And the meaning of “item” in our culture matches exactly what these thingies are.  If that does not match exactly what people think a blog post is … then it  may well be that these thingies are a bit different than blog posts.    I want to keep “item” to refer to these items.  But now and again even I might refer to them as posts … or i might refer to some off the cuff comment somebody makes as a stupid post.  I see no confusion. 
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 13:37:17 [item 19202]
Whatever. Your the one wanting to make something of this. Not the people trying to use it and not getting “how easy it is supposed to be”. It can always be just a space for you and Mark though. No one else will care … they will just go where things truly easy for them.  I’ll put in whatever you want (except a dislike button – that’s a fundamental issue). But the more obstacles there are here to easily using it in a natural way, the less I will use it myself. This system has a lot of potential and all the excitement you showed earlier about it organically growing is worthy. And your own ego is the biggest thing standing in the way of that. Just saying.
seth 2015-12-15 13:46:40 [item 19202]
nathan, changing the word “item” to “post” is not even the kind of thing that affects how many people are going to use this tool.   that is just a figment of your imagination.  

you really should grock which ego is involved relative to bringing this up in this  context here.  don’t forget you cannot see my ego, without seeing yours first. 

and yes, i am sure that it is partually my ego why this has not spread … touche.   but my “ego” has nothing to do with the word “item” refering to the things that we are writing inside and tagging for future reference.  in a way these are the symbols or sim-loops from the old cybermind.  they link together and network to form a mind.  blog post do not do that.   in a way this is our niche.   i am not trying to make this just another vanity blog for people to broadcast their brilliance.  
 
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 13:59:05 [item 19202]
Well if you remember. When I started work here I literally said “I hesitate to call this a blog”. You then preceded to convince me with very strong conviction that this is a blog. An easier blog. A better way for people to blog fast. You eventually succeeded. So then, I would like to convince everyone else. I fully realize that part of that will be making things seem blog like, things that they are used to … like the fact that all blogging software deals with “posts”. It’s the cornerstone word of the thing you work with in a blog.

Now you are convincing me this is not really a blog at all. Just some mind – network - thing for small groups of intellectuals. Okay, you’ur already half way to convincing me of that. This is not for everyone, just you guys and a few other people who get the few things it does well. Your doing a good job of getting me to that understanding. 

Yes. I use my ego to detect other egos. Then, I try and use that knowledge to help people get their egos out of their own business so they can move where they want to go. Doesn’t always work, but it’s always worth a try.  
seth 2015-12-15 14:12:13 [item 19202]
well yes these thingies have dual aspects.   there is no reason that thy cannot function totally like blog posts.  and there is no reason that they cannot network together, …. er … in one group, and in one domain, and even out on the web into many domains.

i blog here all the time … take a look at food… that is by any account a foodie blog … well in my own chiggy way according to my intentions … one of which is not gaining a reputation as a food blogger.

i think keeping this dual aspect of item/post  is what developing this into a hot niche is all about.

thanks for the provocation smileyyesheart
nathan@fbi 2015-12-15 16:13:30 [item 19202#37578]
Okay great. My own experience has been that I did not understand this space until a few days ago when I finally realized that a group is really a blog with anonymous self-named posters and an item is a blog post with threaded comments. Then it all started to make sense and I was able to make use of it. Before that, I could see what would happen when I did something by reading the code in the files, but I didn’t see a coherent model of how to use FBI. It was just a weird technical thingy.

If you explain it to your bloggers the way I wrote it above, then they will get it and be able to start using it right away … and the more the terminology in the screens matches that, the more comfortable they will feel. You can dream up a different way to explain it to network people. I don’t know what that would be, I don’t network.

p.s. Someday you need to add a language module. You’ll need that just to support foreign languages. Once you have that, you could easily have different terminology on all screens for different gateways into the system. One for bloggers. Another for networkers.
 
fair enough … we have done a very poor job of explaining what this it.   certainly we will expain it to people in the language they understand.  and yes,  even differently to different people … and perhaps even differently in different domains. 

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