this thingie used for methods for action

i bet you didn’t know, that in between dialogue here, i just used this thingie to go get my amazon orders for the http://speaktomecatalog.com of talking products blush … see 17986 smug
 
newone time the tiger said, “we should be able to click on stuff and then it just happens” idea.   i think making action items like 17986 is where that starts.  so that someday a developer type can just come here and do his magic behind the scenes and put a gadget on the item and then the user can just click the gadget and then it be done. 
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Comments


Si says
yes

Seth says
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 08:11:35 [item 19269#38263]
Yes. It would be entirely possible (someday) for developers to write plugins for Fastblogit. The first step of that would be to allow them to write browser side plugins which did not require changing PHP code. That wold cover a huge amount of possibilities, as you have seen. 

Then users could choose to install plugins from your library to suit their needs, on either a personal, or a group scope.

You should add that to your [title nietzsche] thing  
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 08:28:18 [item 19269#38269]
there is no such thingie as a [title nietzsche] thingie … there is however a group niche devil

but that said, i do not think i am talking about a plugin here, browser or server.  i am talking about some small piece of code somewhere that would execute the procedure described in natural language in the body of the item.   seems to me a “plugin” is something that one buys that is generalized to some purpose and probably needs to be installed by a developer or has been tested enought that it can be installed by anyone.   whereas this gadget would be particular to the single item and would need to be custom written by sombody who can work with the code.   now of course if the developer wrote it generally, and scoped it correctly, and described it adequately, and advertised it approptiately, it could be sold to be put on a pallet of such thingies, then and only then could it be used anywhere by anyone.  
incidentally, i affixed a phase x … just a good enlightened idea,  something that can be evolved in the future.

Si says
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 08:43:21 [item 19269#38273]
… and it is defiantly nietzsche … I don’t have an itch or a niche. … not to mention he was a real cool dude!

seth@fbi 2015-12-20 08:55:51 [item 19269#38275]
so your just fucking with my nameings, eh? … like maybe scribbling subjective corrections on garage sale signs, eh?  fun?  …. pondering …. maybe more fun for you than for me, eh?  … just saying, no need to answer those questions.
No. You’re the one who keeps saying that this is a site where people add their own perspectives. There own tagging. Etc. I don’t get “niche” … it’s a stupid sounding word. Whenever I read it I pronounce it nietzsche. That’s my perspective. I’m not actually out to “fuck with you”. I am providing a window into how I actually see the world. Yesterday you said you would sooner cut off your hand (or whatever body part) than not get those new perspectives.  

Si says
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 08:11:35 [item 19269#38263]
Yes. It would be entirely possible (someday) for developers to write plugins for Fastblogit. The first step of that would be to allow them to write browser side plugins which did not require changing PHP code. That wold cover a huge amount of possibilities, as you have seen. 

Then users could choose to install plugins from your library to suit their needs, on either a personal, or a group scope.

You should add that to your [title nietzsche] thing  
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 08:28:18 [item 19269#38269]
there is no such thingie as a [title nietzsche] thingie … there is however a group niche devil

but that said, i do not think i am talking about a plugin here, browser or server.  i am talking about some small piece of code somewhere that would execute the procedure described in natural language in the body of the item.   seems to me a “plugin” is something that one buys that is generalized to some purpose and probably needs to be installed by a developer or has been tested enought that it can be installed by anyone.   whereas this gadget would be particular to the single item and would need to be custom written by sombody who can work with the code.   now of course if the developer wrote it generally, and scoped it correctly, and described it adequately, and advertised it approptiately, it could be sold to be put on a pallet of such thingies, then and only then could it be used anywhere by anyone.  
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 08:36:30 [item 19269#38272]
Now your sounding like a Virgo, and not a very playful one either. Need coffee? cool

It ain’t that complicated dude. And what you are talking about is ideal for a plugin. Most plugins I have written so far for your stuff are only a few lines of code. Of course, there is also Markdown which is the way stuff activated from contextual items in pages, and I’m all for that too! But markdown concepts can be implemented as super simple plugins on any case by case basis … don’t have to go to the base code for that at all.  

Don’t make it too complex … in today’s world this stuff is “just easy”. Well, it is in my universe … we are all free to choose. How do you like how my universe collides with FBI? Hummm? Has it been fun? Crazy impossible features coming at you faster than you can keep up with them? … that’s what I’m talking about!

It’s your multiverse … have some fun thinking it how you want and then jump in!
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 08:51:02 [item 19269#38274]
it doesn’t  matter what you call it ...call it a “plugin” … call it a “gadget” … call it a “DoItEr!”.   Point is that the person who wants to use it, is not capable of writing the code.  So he has to contract with somebody who is.  Once that contract is completed, the “DoIt!” gadget appears on the item.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 08:58:33 [item 19269#38276]
yes … still not playful though … try that coffee.  

Yep. So doable as a plugin. We only need a place to put those. I’m writing a post on that in another window right now. But for your feature, it’s way harder to imagine all what it needs to do than it is to write it. How does it notify the person for instance? Does it email him if he is not often here? (Oh, can’t do that). Does it add a tag? Does it cause special highlighting in his news? What else does the feature need to do? Does it need to track Nickels? There is so much yet to imagine about the feature and then it will be only a few lines of code. A browser plugin can do “all” of those things I just mentioned by the way … no server code required.  
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 09:01:58 [item 19269#38277]
surpriselaughing … wow you’re way ahead of me on that one … slow down tiger … this is a phase x planes here.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 09:10:03 [item 19269#38279]
My multiverse does not have a slow setting. If I need a break, I can simply trade places with an alternate me on a tropical island and let him come and continue here. I’ve actually been doing that a lot. How do you think I’m getting all this shit done?

So sorry, no slow setting available … you can go to uptime however. Ask Mark if you don’t know what that is. He is trained in how to use it. It’s an NLP thing.  
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 09:25:15 [item 19269#38286]
laugh well … me, i don’t have any complaints at all … things are happening great … don’t need to be sent to stand in a corner.

just saying that if you scribble your subjective corrections on my garage sale signs, people won’t be able to find my junk.    for example i have garage sale signs all over the place now here in this plane to point people to go to  group niche and help things happen there.   it sure felt like you scribbled [title nietzsche] on them.   i’m just saying that i noticed you doing it with your scribbles a lot pen. 
Yep. Answered that in another comment somewhere. pondering

Mark de LA says
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 08:34:02 [item 19269#38271]
one thing to realize is that these things called items are the things that, in a sense we are selling, and the things that are evolving and moving around as our attention is moving around over them.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 09:26:32 [item 19269#38287]
Okay. But you have got to come up with another name than “items”. It is so wrong in so many ways it would take me a day to list them. I understand that post ties it to a blog, but item just can’t work for people because there are so many things here that are items. It will confuse the hell out of people. It is also not elegant or upscale enough for what they are or can be. Like you say it’s a selling point. Just one train of thought on why item doesn’t work (there are so many others) is that calling these things items is like calling a planet a sky ball, or an evening ball gown a garment. It doesn’t do it justice or inspire people to use and proliferate it.
mark 2015-12-20 09:35:34 [item 19269#38291]
d’A what’s your choice?  Since URI is a uniform Resource Indicator , maybe URI* could be a Uniform Resource Item, eh? – just saying.
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 09:39:26 [item 19269#38292]
no, URI are at the opposite end of the arrow.   URI are pointers.   Items are one of the kinds of things that can be pointed to.
URI* was what was being pointed to.

Si says
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 08:34:02 [item 19269#38271]
one thing to realize is that these things called items are the things that, in a sense we are selling, and the things that are evolving and moving around as our attention is moving around over them.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 09:26:32 [item 19269#38287]
Okay. But you have got to come up with another name than “items”. It is so wrong in so many ways it would take me a day to list them. I understand that post ties it to a blog, but item just can’t work for people because there are so many things here that are items. It will confuse the hell out of people. It is also not elegant or upscale enough for what they are or can be. Like you say it’s a selling point. Just one train of thought on why item doesn’t work (there are so many others) is that calling these things items is like calling a planet a sky ball, or an evening ball gown a garment. It doesn’t do it justice or inspire people to use and proliferate it.
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 09:34:46 [item 19269#38290]
i am ok with finding a better word for items.

but you say, “there are so many things here that are items”,  …. er, well yes … this whole mechanism is built on items … they are the building blocks … so yes all things here are items … and perchance many types of them too.  Items are the unifying principle here

So most of what you say above seems to be oblivious to the very unifying principle that i am going for here.   We need to get on the same page here.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 09:40:04 [item 19269#38293]
No, not that there are so many posts. That there are so many items. Comments are items. Views are items. Tags are items. Edit gadgets are items. There are so many components to this system and they are all items. Twerking the name item into just one thing here, the main thing, is not only confusing, but it kind of squashes the main thing down to the level of the noise of every other item. It’s confusing and kind of insulting to the lofty thing here that is great and useful and should have an elegant name.  
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 09:41:10 [item 19269#38294]
comments are not items.
A comment is an item. Look up the definition of the word “item” and then go google and see how people use the word. It is far more likely that someone would call a comment an “item on the page” or just “item” than that anyone, anywhere would call a comment a post. But I’m not stuck on post. I just know that item will kill the use of the item with the public. (and that’s not kill in the good way).

Seth says
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 08:34:02 [item 19269#38271]
one thing to realize is that these things called items are the things that, in a sense we are selling, and the things that are evolving and moving around as our attention is moving around over them.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 09:26:32 [item 19269#38287]
Okay. But you have got to come up with another name than “items”. It is so wrong in so many ways it would take me a day to list them. I understand that post ties it to a blog, but item just can’t work for people because there are so many things here that are items. It will confuse the hell out of people. It is also not elegant or upscale enough for what they are or can be. Like you say it’s a selling point. Just one train of thought on why item doesn’t work (there are so many others) is that calling these things items is like calling a planet a sky ball, or an evening ball gown a garment. It doesn’t do it justice or inspire people to use and proliferate it.
mark 2015-12-20 09:35:34 [item 19269#38291]
d’A what’s your choice?  Since URI is a uniform Resource Indicator , maybe URI* could be a Uniform Resource Item, eh? – just saying.
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 09:39:26 [item 19269#38292]
no, URI are the opposite end of the arrow.   URI are pointers.   Items are one of the kinds of things that can be pointed to.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 09:43:35 [item 19269#38295]
Still to generic for me. Choosing the right name for this is as important to it’s eventual spread as “apple” was to the apple computer. You’ve got something unique here, not something uniform. It needs a good name. A household name. So when people talk about it everyone knows what they are talking about.
mark 2015-12-20 09:47:10 [item 19269#38298]
Maybe someone could articulate the “lofty” thingy you are aiming at & the right word would come out. laughidea
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 09:50:55 [item 19269#38299]
The lofty thing we are talking about is the post. At least that’s what it was called from the start. The things in the database “posts” table … and the thing that is equivalent here to a blog post. Everything here is an item, but the things that are useful here are posts. It was only when I started see them that way that I was able to use them. That took a week of being here and some things Seth said about them. I would have never understood the subtle power happening here if I still called them items.
seems that is just your local preference for post and not items. 

items are a more general thing than a post which are just very particular to just the blogisphere.  

and, yes, i am thinking beyond just a blogging platform here.   why not?

Si says
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 10:11:18 [item 19269#38308]
look at it this way … look at 17986 … that is not a post … it is a action item!
Yes. As I said elsewhere “post” is tied closely to news, or “about”. I’m not hung up on post. And at the same time you had to qualify item with the word action to get it to be something. These things here are already something. They should stand on their own as something and have a name … not be given the lowest position on the planet. An item literally means “a something”. It has no meaning of it’s own. These things here “are” the important thing here. I never even wrote one until my 4th day here because they were just items, nothing I thought was important. I wrote everything in comments and thread because they were happening.

If someone was writing an article about this site and they had to write. “And they have these great things called items” … it would fall dead on peoples ears. It would literally be as if written “And they have these great somethings”.

Post is far better than item, but being that post normally means “about something” or “here is this”, it is not the best either.

Mark de LA says
mark 2015-12-20 09:56:52 [item 19269#38303]
Nothing lofty about a post.  It could be an old post-office concept or the old news papers like the Washington Post surprise
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 09:58:42 [item 19269#38304]
Okay. Then I guess Seth’s feeling about this “thing” is kaput.  Might as well go back to our day jobs.
mark 2015-12-20 10:00:44 [item 19269#38306]
Must be a new definition of lofty … blowing in the wind.  Sorry was using the old one.
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 10:20:18 [item 19269#38309]
well change seems to be happening in the wind … can you feel it heart ?
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 10:23:07 [item 19269#38312]
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Wind brings in a lot of cold & hot air & lots of force vectored in circles. … just sayingcrying

Seth says
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 10:11:18 [item 19269#38308]
look at it this way … look at 17986 … that is not a post … it is a action item!

and in fact i use that item every day … most days two or three times ...and to use it i retrieve it and then follow it clicking on the hyperlinks to perform my programs that process data.  

that has nothing to do with a post in blog. 

it is a totally different animal ...i’d insert a picture of a wombat here … but then sombody would fork me laugh
mark@projects 2015-12-20 10:21:03 [item 19269#38311]
Could always revert back to tons: actons, relatons, thotons, & call this Cybermind-II
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 10:37:20 [item 19269#38315]
well an item is a sym loop ...it is a symbol of something else in the plane of the web. 

i don’t want to get all Cybermindey here … but that is its place. 

Now whether the comments associated with the item are part of the item or just things associated with the item is really a matter of specific implementation.

If we wanted to become very long winded and lofty about describing them as exactly as we could, maybe we could descirbe them as “web manifestations”.   One particular web manifestation is a blog post.  That is a specific kind of a manifestation … er, a specific kind of item.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 10:41:52 [item 19269#38317]
The word “article” is equal in stature to post but without a tight a expectation that it be news of some kind.
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 11:16:58 [item 19269#38326]
well “article” would be an acceptable alternative to “item” for me.  even though It doesn’t work quite as well to say “action article” rather than to say “action item” … but oh well.

the thing is, what will rebranding items as articles really give us?  … at the moment all i can see there is a whole lot of coding changes.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 11:29:12 [item 19269#38330]
Not that hard. With shiftedit I can do whole site search and even regular expression replacements. But no matter how hard it is, it’s very important. It will make or break this as a household item, even if your households are only niches. 
seth@fbi 2015-12-20 11:33:17 [item 19269#38332]
not really … the only thing that will change is subjective to you.  

bear in mind that you have to change the data too … stuff like 2001 will have to become [article 2001] …. and to typing those extra letters is going to make me curse you out every time i do it.

but hey, if it means that much to you  … do it … no charge.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-20 11:37:21 [item 19269#38333]
Glad you can live with article. Need to sit with that for a bit though. This should not be a hasty thing.  If a new name comes to you lets put it on the table too.
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