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Si says
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 07:59:34 [item 19303#38454]
i’d have to think about it a bit.  “perm” does suggest “perminent”, yet these item evolve and change … no perminance there. 

then too, even if “perm” is better for you,  is it worth the rebranding? 

and then too, people know what an item is.  this is an item, that is an item, we use this concept in our daily lives … it is a natural language concept … well understood.   Not so with your neologism. 
Yes to your question. A wholehearted yes!

Item is so generically known that it can’t become a household word. Perm can. Everything is an item. These things here are not just an everything, they are and important something that can have an impact on people. If they have to talk about them with others so generically as item, they won’t so easily catch on as something to use and spread. People understand the word item too well, it just means any old thing, not something they can sink their teeth into.  

Si says
Human nature requests that new things have new names. That’s why people keep inventing new language, the younger the more. Sometimes old things get so old they come back as new … but item is so generic it won’t do that easily. To embrace something passionately, human nature likes to demand that it is a new something, or a something so old and classic it can have a unique smell and not be so everyday. 

Si says
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 08:49:50 [item 19303#38479]
incidentally a complete rebranding will break most of my external references into fastblogit because the word item appears in the URL.  

and yes i suppose you can put in redirects … guck …

i guess Tim Berners’s Lee’s was wrong in your universe …
Tim Berners-Lee: Cool URIs don't change (1998) (w3.org)

incidentally, were we to bow to your subjective tuitgions, for their sake,  I would like a better word that “perm” … don’t like that one … too many other irrelivant associations to it spring into my mind.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 08:53:24 [item 19303#38480]
That’s true. I have read that article before and I almost categorically disagree with his thinking. I even wrote a response to that somewhere … including lots of references to other people who disagree.

Okay … still looking, but perm is really really nice!
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 08:56:08 [item 19303#38481]
well you would have to write cherry redirects … because i am not going to break my external links.
Oh hell no! I agree. That’s what “perm” is about.  
No need to either. That’s easier done than talked about. It was probably the webs first need.

Si says
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:08:24 [item 19303#38531]
Also. These really are permanent items. They have unique id’s at a domain and thus by address in the whole universe. Sure you can edit the content and even change the title, but that does not change the permanence of the original link to this thing … which is forever … or Seth cumes out, whichever comes first.  
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 10:12:20 [item 19303#38533]
well that is true.

except don’t know about the “or seth cumes out” part … seems like the links to my mind space will still be there when i am gone from this plane.  or at least that is my intention.   one of the things i should put in group niche and will as soon as i get my tuit
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:19:56 [item 19303#38534]
yes That’s why I said it. The way I see it right now is that if you cash in tomorrow, for instance, Mark my keep it going for a while if he can … but probably itill just get absorbed by the dead harddrives of the universe. It’s good your putting that on your list.  
mark@fbi 2015-12-21 10:22:57 [item 19303#38535]
I suspect it never disappears cuz d’A keeps it going in some other universe since the possibility still exists somehow somewhere. ! cheeky
Right you are! You can’t imagine it if it doesn’t exist somewhere. ~Rudolf Steiner

Seth says
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:08:24 [item 19303#38531]
Also. These really are permanent items. They have unique id’s at a domain and thus by address in the whole universe. Sure you can edit the content and even change the title, but that does not change the permanence of the original link to this thing … which is forever … or Seth cumes out, whichever comes first.  
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 10:12:20 [item 19303#38533]
well that is true.

except don’t know about the “or seth cumes out” part … seems like the links to my mind space will still be there when i am gone from this plane.  or at least that is my intention.   one of the things i should put in group niche and will as soon as i get my tuit
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:19:56 [item 19303#38534]
yes That’s why I said it. The way I see it right now is that if you cash in tomorrow, for instance, Mark my keep it going for a while if he can … but probably itill just get absorbed by the dead harddrives of the universe. It’s good your putting that on your list.  
mark@fbi 2015-12-21 10:22:57 [item 19303#38535]
I suspect it never disappears cuz d’A keeps it going in some other universe since the possibility still exists somehow somewhere. ! cheeky
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 10:34:50 [item 19303#38537]
well im glad this “new feature” has finally come to our attention smug.  it is a big topic.  lots of aspects. too many for me to put in a comment here just now.  but a new item in group niche … started by anyone would be welcomed.

i do think this persistence beyond a life time is a feature that others will want … not just me out of my derision …  and those other will want to pay for it too.  Is there any competition in this niche?

Then too there is a freaky AI part of this too … surprise ...omg .. don’t think of that elephant.

like i said … might not waste time here …. start something in group niche.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:43:30 [item 19303#38538]
Okay. If it is truly a “shared group” then as long as I can call it group  I will play there. It seemed like you were saying that was stomping on your playspace so I have stayed away so you can be happy with it on your own. blush
seth 2015-12-21 10:48:53 [item 19303#38542]
omg you are fucking wierd cheeky
incidentally, nietzsche is a tag room because you went and tagged stuff with it.  why not just use my open group niche and tag to your content to satisfy your egoo ?

… er, excipt 18323 which has something to do with the actual philosopher … who’s name you apparently are usurping for your own association.

Seth says
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:08:24 [item 19303#38531]
Also. These really are permanent items. They have unique id’s at a domain and thus by address in the whole universe. Sure you can edit the content and even change the title, but that does not change the permanence of the original link to this thing … which is forever … or Seth cumes out, whichever comes first.  
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 10:12:20 [item 19303#38533]
well that is true.

except don’t know about the “or seth cumes out” part … seems like the links to my mind space will still be there when i am gone from this plane.  or at least that is my intention.   one of the things i should put in group niche and will as soon as i get my tuit
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:19:56 [item 19303#38534]
yes That’s why I said it. The way I see it right now is that if you cash in tomorrow, for instance, Mark my keep it going for a while if he can … but probably itill just get absorbed by the dead harddrives of the universe. It’s good your putting that on your list.  
mark@fbi 2015-12-21 10:22:57 [item 19303#38535]
I suspect it never disappears cuz d’A keeps it going in some other universe since the possibility still exists somehow somewhere. ! cheeky
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 10:34:50 [item 19303#38537]
well im glad this “new feature” has finally come to our attention smug.  it is a big topic.  lots of aspects. too many for me to put in a comment here just now.  but a new item in group niche … started by anyone would be welcomed.

i do think this persistence beyond a life time is a feature that others will want … not just me out of my derision …  and those other will want to pay for it too.  Is there any competition in this niche?

Then too there is a freaky AI part of this too … surprise ...omg .. don’t think of that elephant.

like i said … might not waste time here …. start something in group niche.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:43:30 [item 19303#38538]
Okay. If it is truly a “shared group” then as long as I can call it group  I will play there. It seemed like you were saying that was stomping on your playspace so I have stayed away so you can be happy with it on your own. blush
seth 2015-12-21 10:48:53 [item 19303#38542]
omg you are fucking wierd cheeky
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:51:04 [item 19303#38544]
That, my friend, is the absolute truth!  
yes

Seth says
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:08:24 [item 19303#38531]
Also. These really are permanent items. They have unique id’s at a domain and thus by address in the whole universe. Sure you can edit the content and even change the title, but that does not change the permanence of the original link to this thing … which is forever … or Seth cumes out, whichever comes first.  
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 10:12:20 [item 19303#38533]
well that is true.

except don’t know about the “or seth cumes out” part … seems like the links to my mind space will still be there when i am gone from this plane.  or at least that is my intention.   one of the things i should put in group niche and will as soon as i get my tuit
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:19:56 [item 19303#38534]
yes That’s why I said it. The way I see it right now is that if you cash in tomorrow, for instance, Mark my keep it going for a while if he can … but probably itill just get absorbed by the dead harddrives of the universe. It’s good your putting that on your list.  
mark@fbi 2015-12-21 10:22:57 [item 19303#38535]
I suspect it never disappears cuz d’A keeps it going in some other universe since the possibility still exists somehow somewhere. ! cheeky
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 10:34:50 [item 19303#38537]
well im glad this “new feature” has finally come to our attention smug.  it is a big topic.  lots of aspects. too many for me to put in a comment here just now.  but a new item in group niche … started by anyone would be welcomed.

i do think this persistence beyond a life time is a feature that others will want … not just me out of my derision …  and those other will want to pay for it too.  Is there any competition in this niche?

Then too there is a freaky AI part of this too … surprise ...omg .. don’t think of that elephant.

like i said … might not waste time here …. start something in group niche.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:43:30 [item 19303#38538]
Okay. If it is truly a “shared group” then as long as I can call it group  I will play there. It seemed like you were saying that was stomping on your playspace so I have stayed away so you can be happy with it on your own. blush
seth 2015-12-21 10:48:53 [item 19303#38542]
omg you are fucking wierd cheeky
seth 2015-12-21 10:51:24 [item 19303#38545]
incidentaly, nietzsche is a tag room because you went and tagged stuff with it.  why not just use my open group niche and tag to your content to satisfy your egoo ?
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:52:33 [item 19303#38546]
Did you even read my comment where I explained about  the other day? It has nothing to do with ego.
seth 2015-12-21 10:56:48 [item 19303#38548]
yes your lack of cooperation with this name has only to do with your peculair egoo … perhaps you are too subjectively close to see that from inside your current universe … but, my friend, it is quite apparent from here outside here. 
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:58:16 [item 19303#38550]
Okay. I have no ego about this. It’s my perspective on how this is to me and how it feels. If you don’t have any respect or interest in that and think it’s all ego or something that’s fine. I probably won’t play in that kind of hostility and discomfort though.
seth 2015-12-21 11:03:16 [item 19303#38551]
well whatever … you will do what you will do … not my bussiness.

but group niche has absolutely nothing to do with the philosopher Nietzsche (except perhaps in your mind) … so why are you attempting to force this false association on us?
seth 2015-12-21 11:15:02 [item 19303#38555]
so this is the pertinent question that you need to answer for me to be able to cooperate with your wierdness. 
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 11:19:24 [item 19303#38557]
I want to feel accepted as I am. As I naturally respond to things when I am wide open and being my most creative. If I have to feel shame about myself as I am, then I can’t really participate creatively in a creative group like that. The fact that you keep bullying me on this subject for no reason I know of is about got me out of that group forever. This is how my mind works here. Take that and make it useful or ignore it, or whatever. I really don’t care much anymore.
seth 2015-12-21 11:29:43 [item 19303#38559]
laugh well of course you are accepted exactly as you are … and you are awesome !  And i made that group to attract your creative attention.

Why would there be any shame in participating in that creative group? … certainly nothing provoked by me … so, sorry, i have no idea where that came from.

This must be some kind of misunderstanding.

I named the group “niche” and wrote several items in it.  Now for some strange reason that only you understand you seem to want to force me to change that name to “Nietsche” or you won’t participate.  Can you see how that feels like you are bullying me, not the other way around?
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 11:35:30 [item 19303#38560]
Huh? I never ever anywhere asked you to change the name of the group. Why would I? I only said I should be allowed to refer to it that way because that’s how I remember and think about it … and as you said we could put our own tags on things that help us find stuff and you “like” that (I thought). I put that tag on some things so I can find them easier. I just don’t want to be bashed by you every time I am in open creative mode and use the name Nietzsche because it is what pops into my head. If you have a serious aversion or trigger with the guy, then I could be considerate and compromise. But you never said that, you just keep poring on about some ego thing. 
seth 2015-12-21 11:43:41 [item 19303#38563]
laughsurprise … wow … like i said just a misunderstanding.  hey, tag stuff however for your own retrieval … that is how this works.  

perhaps we were delving into the MRE effect … which is another matter entirely.   Mark is not using his bam tags as a method of retrieval … he is using them to piss on the content in my items … which usage just degrades my own legitimate usage for retrieval of them.  Notice how most of his bam tags are made up for just one item.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 11:46:37 [item 19303#38564]
Okay. Apology accepted. I have never done that. I hardly use tags except for keeping track of my bugs. I haven’t been around Mark here long enough to learn to do it his way.  
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Seth says
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:08:24 [item 19303#38531]
Also. These really are permanent items. They have unique id’s at a domain and thus by address in the whole universe. Sure you can edit the content and even change the title, but that does not change the permanence of the original link to this thing … which is forever … or Seth cumes out, whichever comes first.  
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 10:12:20 [item 19303#38533]
well that is true.

except don’t know about the “or seth cumes out” part … seems like the links to my mind space will still be there when i am gone from this plane.  or at least that is my intention.   one of the things i should put in group niche and will as soon as i get my tuit
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:19:56 [item 19303#38534]
yes That’s why I said it. The way I see it right now is that if you cash in tomorrow, for instance, Mark my keep it going for a while if he can … but probably itill just get absorbed by the dead harddrives of the universe. It’s good your putting that on your list.  
mark@fbi 2015-12-21 10:22:57 [item 19303#38535]
I suspect it never disappears cuz d’A keeps it going in some other universe since the possibility still exists somehow somewhere. ! cheeky
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 10:34:50 [item 19303#38537]
well im glad this “new feature” has finally come to our attention smug.  it is a big topic.  lots of aspects. too many for me to put in a comment here just now.  but a new item in group niche … started by anyone would be welcomed.

i do think this persistence beyond a life time is a feature that others will want … not just me out of my derision …  and those other will want to pay for it too.  Is there any competition in this niche?

Then too there is a freaky AI part of this too … surprise ...omg .. don’t think of that elephant.

like i said … might not waste time here …. start something in group niche.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:43:30 [item 19303#38538]
Okay. If it is truly a “shared group” then as long as I can call it group  I will play there. It seemed like you were saying that was stomping on your playspace so I have stayed away so you can be happy with it on your own. blush
seth 2015-12-21 10:48:53 [item 19303#38542]
omg you are fucking wierd cheeky
seth 2015-12-21 10:51:24 [item 19303#38545]
incidentaly, nietzsche is a tag room because you went and tagged stuff with it.  why not just use my open group niche and tag to your content to satisfy your egoo ?
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:52:33 [item 19303#38546]
Did you even read my comment where I explained about  the other day? It has nothing to do with ego.
seth 2015-12-21 10:56:48 [item 19303#38548]
yes your lack of cooperation with this name has only to do with your peculair egoo … perhaps you are too subjectively close to see that from inside your current universe … but, my friend, it is quite apparent from here outside here. 
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 10:58:16 [item 19303#38550]
Okay. I have no ego about this. It’s my perspective on how this is to me and how it feels. If you don’t have any respect or interest in that and think it’s all ego or something that’s fine. I probably won’t play in that kind of hostility and discomfort though.
seth 2015-12-21 11:03:16 [item 19303#38551]
well whatever … you will do what you will do … not my bussiness.

but group niche has absolutely nothing to do with the philosopher Nietzsche (except perhaps in your mind) … so why are you attempting to force this false association on us?
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 11:15:19 [item 19303#38556]
Um … pardon my existence and preferences and how I feel about things … I thought that was what you wanted from me. My uniqueness. My perspectives. How being me plays into this concept and what you might learn by that playing. I don’t know what you have against Nietzsche but his name and the name niche are irrecavly connected in my mind. I can’t see niche without my mind translating it to Nietzsche. I don’t expect you to know why, but it’s very me. If you don’t want me to be me, don’t invite me to play in your spaces to play with all my creativity and quirks intact. Invite people like you. 
seth 2015-12-21 12:00:09 [item 19303#38567]
interesting … well said,indeed.

let me just say that i accept you (and even your peculiarities relative to me) absolutely and i love them  heart.

Welcome to group niche rose … if i could easily change that to group Nietzsche, i would … for me its just a name … a descriptive one at the moment … a group in in which i hope we will develop this thingies niche in the world.  
nathan@fbi 2015-12-21 12:06:14 [item 19303#38569]
It’s okay. Do as you will with the name. I only want to be able to use the word freely when it is in my head because it keeps me in flow. It doesn’t matter which is the group name, my mind always translates anyway.  
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Si says
seth@fbi 2015-12-21 14:17:31 [item 19303#38592]

got this error message when clicking on “9 comments, see commentary here” on this item.
Yea, there is a missing slash somewhere in the stuff I changed today.  

Seth says
choy 2015-12-21 11:52:16 [item 19303#38566]
I use, as already stated, tags to find something again. They are not a religion for me. laugh
true,

… but they are very useful when used consistently over time. 

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