Rules are for Boxes

My thoughts today.

Rules are not part of nature. They are man made and in the end serve only one purpose, they keep something “inside the box”. Rules in general are the means by which man slows down evolution and change.

Nature works with systems, not rules. Rule based systems are man’s invention. They get complicated and difficult to manage real fast and always have one purpose, which is to define a boundary and keep something inside it.

I always strive to create natural and ergonomic systems, similar to nature herself. When there is a way to implement a feature with rules, or to implement it with a natural flow of movement, I will choose the natural flow … which I say is always possible to do. That’s how I have designed my corner of the multiverse.  
 

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  1. boxes
  2. contingencies
  3. consequences

Comments


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-12-28 08:20:15 [item 19407#39533]
there are consequences in what happens which are not invented by us.   seems to me a rule is the representation of those consequences in our minds.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-28 08:22:43 [item 19407#39535]
I don’t see that. A rule is just a way to make a boundary. In reality, there are none. We make all the boundaries that exist for us. Instead of a boundary based verse, how about a verse based on connections? Oh, that’s LOA, duh.  
seth 2015-12-28 08:38:27 [item 19407#39539]
well i did not speak of “boundaries” … i spoke of “consequences”.   Perhaps what you call “connections” i am calling “consequences”.   But to live in a world with no consequences is to live in a LaLa land in your head.   … connections, … well those may be the same thing … thinking that way would be a new factoring of my mind.  If you step off the top of a tall building your body will go splat on the ground … that is a consequence … i suppose it is also a connection … but it will happen.
mark@fbi 2015-12-28 08:45:51 [item 19407#39540]
In the days of specifications & cause-effect & product/plan/ vision that might be relevant, Seth … but
laughing

Si says
seth 2015-12-28 08:20:15 [item 19407#39533]
there are consequences in what happens which are not invented by us.   seems to me a rule is the representation of those consequences in our minds.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-28 08:22:43 [item 19407#39535]
I don’t see that. A rule is just a way to make a boundary. In reality, there are none. We make all the boundaries that exist for us. Instead of a boundary based verse, how about a verse based on connections? Oh, that’s LOA, duh.  
seth 2015-12-28 08:38:27 [item 19407#39539]
well i did not speak of “boundaries” … i spoke of “consequences”.   Perhaps what you call “connections” i am calling “consequences”.   But to live in a world with no consequences is to live in a LaLa land in your head.   … connections, … well those may be the same … thinkling that way would be a new factoring of my mind.  If you step off the top of a tall building your body will go splat on the ground … that is a consequence … i suppose it is also a connection … but it will happen.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-28 08:46:50 [item 19407#39542]
Consequences are the things one invents to justify the boundaries they have drawn and committed to.
Committing to something is doing it until it’s momentum makes it a habit.
There are no consequences. There are only rule based expectations.

Ever see the movie “The Matrix”? That’s a whole lot closer to how things really are. It’s all the “rules of the system” that make people think there are things like consequences. When one releases belief in the rules, then experience becomes more fluid. Life becomes about connections, not consequences and rules. Everything gets more exciting and interesting!
seth 2015-12-28 10:08:29 [item 19407#39575]
well, as mentioned else where, what you call “connections” my well be a subset of what other people, including me, are calling “consequences”.   your mind seems only to realize possible positive consequences to yourself … a great way to be … i am not knocking it … sure seems to be working out great for you.   boogie on Tigger heart we are loving it.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-28 10:35:37 [item 19407#39587]
I don’t think that is it. There is the whole issue around that positive and negative are only part of the human labeling system, not intrinsic to actual happenings, but that’s not what I am talking about.

Connections are the vibrational conduits between you in your verse, and another in theirs. It’s the channel by which you get info about others and sync up your creation with that info. In simple terms, it’s how you feel, about others, about yourself, etc. Consequences are just what you create them to be and can be anything and change all the time and do for everyone. Affecting what your calling consequences is simply knowing what you are actually thinking, and changing it. What consequences will be in your experience is based on the beliefs you hold at that moment … another name for beliefs is rules … and they are just thoughts you have thought long enough so that LOA has brought enough like experience for you to feel it proved and you believe it. Someone else can believe something entirely different and have a different experience.
seth 2015-12-28 11:10:42 [item 19407#39592]
well perhaps a better word for my word “consequences” would be “contingencies”.  An apple fell on Newton’s head, he recognized a contingency … he did not make that up … it existed outside of himself … and he represented that contingency it his mind (and eventually in the mind of the culture) as a rule … you seem to have it the other way around.

i am with you on connections … seems a good way to talk about this.   however,  even with connections, they are bound on two ends, one inside your head, one outside of it.
One inside my verse and one outside of it I think you mean. That would be true.  

An apple fell on Newtons head because he had been having clear thoughts about an issue he wanted to solve and the larger part of his verse managing experience in his awareness brought the apple. It’s basic LOA 101. We set up a vibration with our thoughts and experiences that match with it come. It’s also holodeck 101 if you live in that verse.  

Si says
Now what is separate is verses. Your entire experience, your whole verse, is in your mind, created by it. So is mine. But they are connected together vibrationally and we detect vibrations with our emotional sense and sync up our verses to match what we receive through these connections.

Si says
seth 2015-12-28 11:38:07 [item 19407#39598]
am thinking about this now … not writing about it … later perhaps
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Mark de LA says
nathan@fbi 2015-12-28 11:28:31 [item 19407#39596]
I think what trips people up here is the idea that there is “inside one’s head” and “outside one’s head”. There is not. There is a persistent illusion of that created by the way our senses are constructed. We have a sensory experience of a boundary in relation to our body. But it’s just a sensory construction.

If one uses their true sense, their mind, they cannot find a boundary between what is inside one’s head and what is outside. It is a consistent continuum. Try and use your mind to sense what you think, and then use only your mind to sense what you see on the table. You will discover that it is the same experience to your mind. The mind has only been tricked to think there is an inside and an outside by the beautiful and complex system we call our sensory apparatus … which itself is part of the mind, it’s like a program running in the mind.
IamanI@mark 2015-12-28 11:42:01 [item 19407#39600]
While consciousness may not be inside nor outside one’s head, & mind can defy similar distinctions, & the senses may be very many more the the usually accepted 5 or 12 (maybe more) … I have a good boundary condition about what is inside & outside my body for things like my finger. That they are attached & part of my body is supported by my making them move as I choose. That same feature does not happen to a cup across the room (not part of my body).pondering
nathan@fbi 2015-12-28 11:53:55 [item 19407#39601]
It can. There are people who can telekenitcally manipulate anything in their verse just as you do with your own body. I went to a spoon bending workshop once and bent spoons without my body, only my mind. Tony Robbins taught everyone in a room at the Pentagon to do that once. Telekenetics are well documented facts. Just because you don’t do it and just because you have a belief system you use about your senses doesn’t mean there is any reason it is the same or others.
IamanI@mark 2015-12-28 12:06:41 [item 19407#39602]
Yep there are lots of illusionists in the world – some good – some not so good – some bad … all illusionists though.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-28 12:09:00 [item 19407#39603]
I guess your probably one of those people who believe we didn’t go to the moon too? It was all a hoax?
You really truly don’t believe there are people who move things with their mind? Or are you just being a butt head for the hell of it?
IamanI@mark 2015-12-28 12:12:02 [item 19407#39604]
A better set of questions might be: have you done it & are you willing to demonstrate that you can do it before an unbiassed set of witnesses? wink
nathan@fbi 2015-12-28 12:24:19 [item 19407#39606]
I have done it. It was a workshop similar to the Friday night firewalk. Several hours of mental prep followed by each of us sitting with spoons in front of us at our table and bending them. We were asked to bring the spoons from home, so it wasn’t faked. The spoon was twisted so tightly that a human could not do it by hand. My friends tried to duplicate it by hand at home later with the same set of spoons and could not. Me and my partner attended the workshop and both did it.

Like the firewalk, it is not something I can easily do on my own. Can it be demonstrated to you? That depends on your beliefs. If you firmly believe it is not possible because that supports you, then you cannot be brought into the vicinity of that experience happening. Law of attraction prevents it, or rather, will always take you where you do vibrate instead.
mark@fbi 2015-12-28 12:36:41 [item 19407#39610]
More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoon_bending laugh if it makes you feel good.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-28 12:42:22 [item 19407#39612]
yes, that is typical misinformation propaganda. That is why I always say, do it yourself.  
If you had not done the firewalk yourself, you would believe the same propaganda about it.
mark@fbi 2015-12-28 12:55:32 [item 19407#39614]
I had no doubts to begin with.
nathan@fbi 2015-12-28 13:01:36 [item 19407#39615]
So in other words, you find and reference the sources that support your beliefs as they already are. Humm … wonder where I have heard that before.  
mark 2015-12-28 13:05:20 [item 19407#39616]
Nope I went to have the experience instead.  Had Tony advertised jumping into an active volcano I would have passed on the opportunity. 
laughing
nathan@fbi 2015-12-28 13:11:48 [item 19407#39617]
I see. So how do you reconcile the diff between bending spoons and walking on fire? Cells burn according to science you know.
mark 2015-12-28 13:19:08 [item 19407#39618]
Actually the first time I did it I got a little tiny blister near my little toe just to remind me. After that none.  It has been explained as the Leidenfrost Effect & some have explained it differently.  Did you ever spit on your finger & test a hot skillet or a hot clothes iron?  Not too big a stretch from those.   Moving something across the room by an effort of mind only is a BIG stretch though. Yuri Geller was busted for prepping spoons so they bent easily – something I read nearly a dozen years ago.
looking over a brick wall
nathan@fbi 2015-12-28 13:22:33 [item 19407#39620]
Move along. These are not the droids you are looking for.
Yep! you are right yes

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