If I were asked what is FBI?

If someone asked me to describe FBI in a few simple words I would say.

It’s a full size blog that works like a Facebook feed.

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Si says
seth 2016-01-03 07:28:32 [item 19505#40802]
Unlike facebook, it is your personal space.
nathan@niche 2016-01-03 07:35:50 [item 19505#40803]
I don’t know what that distinction means. It does not feel like my personal space any more than Facebook does. Everything I write appears in the river and the news just the same. And anyone can comment on things just the same. Others can even tag my stuff, which is lack of personal space beyond Facebook.

I can create private posts and private groups at Facebook too, just the same. Not sure what distinction there is other than it allows “bigger” page formats with rich text … that seems about it.  
seth 2016-01-03 07:50:46 [item 19505#40807]
it’s like being at you own desk where you have all our things organized and arranged according to what you personally are doing with your library of books surrounding you for your reference … rather than going to a noisy party with lots of people with everybody with their goodies are viewing for your attention being surfacy.  I love a social party, but i slso love focusing my attention and doing somethig myself.
I still don’t get that distinction. That seems an artifact of that it has only been you and Mark for the most part. If there were even just 50 people here in a similar timeframe it would be as noisy (and probably more so) than Facebook. Same distractions, same commenting all all your stuff, same notifications, same fast moving river that you would miss most things in because they would fall off the end (need a progressive paging system for the river like FB has). Even after we do more to filter things, it will still only get down about to where Facebook is now. Only something like a “focus group” will take that down further … which is why that is top on my list of filtering features.

Mark de LA says
seth 2016-01-03 07:28:32 [item 19505#40802]
Unlike facebook, it is your personal space.
nathan@niche 2016-01-03 07:35:50 [item 19505#40803]
I don’t know what that distinction means. It does not feel like my personal space any more than Facebook does. Everything I write appears in the river and the news just the same. And anyone can comment on things just the same. Others can even tag my stuff, which is lack of personal space beyond Facebook.

I can create private posts and private groups at Facebook too, just the same. Not sure what distinction there is other than it allows “bigger” page formats with rich text … that seems about it.  
seth 2016-01-03 07:57:24 [item 19505#40809]
it’s like being at you own desk … or studio … where you have all your things organized and arranged according to what you personally are doing …. your library of books … or songs or paints … surrounding you for your reference … rather than going to a noisy party with lots of people and their  goodies vieing for your surfacy attention.  I love a party, but i also love focusing my attention and doing my own opuses.
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Si says
I also don’t see how this is more organized. For the most part, I have all the same problems finding stuff here as I do at Facebook. Both need a better full natural language search (yes in the plans). But without that, and even with all the search and tagging and news filtering enhancements added lately, it is still hard for me to find something I just read somewhere to reference or expand on it. I feel just as organized at FB as here, sometimes more so, because FB has distinct places to go to for all my personal groups.

Si says
I’m not downing FBI. I am challenging you to really figure out what is different. There is not much that feels different other than there are only 3 people here. Change that, and they feel almost exactly the same except for more tagging and bigger richer pages, to me.

Mark de LA says
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 08:17:07 [item 19505#40817]
How do you tag in G+ or FB except mixing in #hashtags ?
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 08:20:28 [item 19505#40819]
Yes. Prolific tagging is the one big difference other than bigger richer pages. But I don’t find that personally a big thing. It helps sometimes … but my mind does not organize that way … and I am sure that is true for many people or tagging would be a bigger thing in many places.
Facebook & G+ are aimed at short-term news streams & tagging is not so important there. I have a 10 year usage of fbi & tagging helps find some of my ancient wisdom. angel

Seth says
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 09:03:38 [item 19505#40835]
Google already has captures of stuff here 
see this query sad
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 09:08:48 [item 19505#40837]
Yea so? For one thing that stuff is really old. Usually what I am looking for is fresh in the last hour or day. And the cost of google getting that stuff out of the system is outrageous. I have seen slowdowns at specific times during the day that are now explained by search bots hitting this site. It doesn’t just slow FBI to a crawl, it slows all domains here including PlayNexus to a crawl.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 09:22:53 [item 19505#40845]
Someone seemed to worry about the bots, but they are already here. Someone suggested redirecting their attention to what we want them to encounter. pondering
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 09:25:05 [item 19505#40847]
That’s related to my solution as well. It is fairly easy solution … and will cut down on the bot denial of service effect fairly well … not to mention have the possibility of featuring the content you really do want out there.
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Si says
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 08:25:46 [item 19505#40820]
For instance, the new Mac systems come with much richer tagging for files, emails, pictures, everything. I tried it for a while … and just like here at FBI, it got crazy and useless very quickly. I no longer use Mac tagging for anything. I organize loosely by desktop and download folder and search for everything else. That’s how I organize on the Web too … I don’t use bookmarks at all, I just know how to write searches that find anything I am looking for right off the bat … and it works fantastically … faster than bookmarks, tags, anything like that. Type in a search and 2 clicks later I am exactly where I want to be. No tagging system can rival that.  
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 08:29:20 [item 19505#40822]
It would be nice to be able to do that at fbi independent of the tags like google site search. yes
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 08:31:05 [item 19505#40824]
Absolutely! It’s in the Nickel bank for funding … wait long enough and I will need it so bad I will probably make it anyway in my spare time. I’ve already lost most of what I put here at FBI.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 08:33:52 [item 19505#40825]
Isn’t there a challenge as to what Google picks up .  They miss stuff which is right on the page I am looking at sometimes.
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 08:38:58 [item 19505#40826]
I don’t have that. I have never analyzed my search patterns … they have developed over the last 25 years of using the internet. I just know that about 95 out of 100 times I find exactly what I am looking for with one search and usually one, once in a while two, clicks. That works so reliably I don’t both with bookmarks which take time and energy to maintain and organize and even to travel through with the mouse. Searching is quicker and however I do it, fast and close to perfect.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 08:42:19 [item 19505#40830]
I was talking within fbi ? searching within fbi via google site search.
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 08:45:02 [item 19505#40831]
Don’t know how to do that and wouldn’t ever want to. As a developer I am acutely aware of how horridly bad an idea it is to have googlebot inside these pages … I would never consciously venture into that. I have proposed how to make that tolerable in other threads (lost as usual).  
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 08:53:31 [item 19505#40833]
well we certainly need a full text search of fbi within fbi … is that not way up top of the wish list?

that said, searching the world at google is quite different than searching withing your own space.  it goes to what the difference between fbi is from facebook.   it talks of the relationship of a person to world and how that is evolving.  i too just go find whatever i want at google and rarely need to try more than one search and there it is … wow hasn’t thing internet thing become smart all of a sudden in only 20 years.   now maybe a time to focus a bit more … but we don’t close our eyes to do that … so how oh how are all these people to focus?  … is facebook really helping that happen? …. er, i don’t think so.
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 08:56:50 [item 19505#40834]
You keep calling this your own space, but other than it truly is becasee it is just you and 2 others, what makes this one’s own space? I can find nothing that is different here than Facebook in that way. All the same distractions, notifications, comments by others … it’s noisy even with just 3 people!
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 09:10:55 [item 19505#40838]
well we all define ourselves differently … me, i don’t define myself as just what flows from me … but rather all that i interact with … so the others here who are my audience and whom i respond to are part of my own space … in that particular regard, there is very little difference between fbi and facebook. 

… but facebook is just a party.   … and if you friend a lot of people because you are a people watcher it is a very large party.   What it is not is a place to focus your own productions, opuses, work, focus, studio, writings, understanding, awareness … whatever you pecularly are into.   Why do you think that most published authors have their own blogs … even though they also have facebook pages?  Facebook is not a place to focus … it is more like a place to loose yourself in others … (or some use it to brodcast themselves to others) … which is fun too … but that needs a balance … that balance is people’s own space where their tools are and their memories and their personal interactions with others … where they can feel the edges and effects that they are creating in the world ...
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 09:14:48 [item 19505#40840]
All right. I agree with all that. But you are still only saying what you think it should be. That is not how it is here at FBI. If you had half as many friends here as on Facebook (and if filtering to them was even possible) the party here would be just as big or bigger. There is no thing here that makes that aspect different from facebook … tag wars and RWG games in fact just make it more party like.
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 09:22:09 [item 19505#40844]
well yes … so that is why i said this is not trying to be another facebook.   so the biggest thing that is different is that all those people … in my case about 500 … are over there and not here.   fbi will specialize in each domain attracting a set of people who can interact at a greater deapth and over a longer period of time.  when things get big and diverse with too much random zigging around, the domain splits … see 19480
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 09:31:07 [item 19505#40850]
Nice idea, but unless you have a join by invitation feature, I don’t see how that can actually work in an environment as viral as the internet at large. One thought by anyone that goes viral and you suddenly have millions of people at your domain partying like a rave … and fewer safeguards than FB to keep things reasonable. You could get 10,000 new groups created in an hour with one viral thought. Marks google search wallaby just makes that more likely.
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 10:03:29 [item 19505#40860]
well yes yes … inevitably these domains will probably grow by invitation … put that on our wish list.

how do you think i wll move out into the world with this to start off with?   I am going to go and personally invite people.   To start off with i don’t need a program to enforce that.  But sure, as these personal thought spaces grow, by-invitiation only is the most practical way.
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 10:09:08 [item 19505#40862]
Well, in my mind that needs to be here before you grow. Otherwise you are proliferating a system where one guy can post a nude Kim Kardashian photo in a thought (or even just say he did on twitter) and you domain dies a horrible and unstoppable death by dog pile.  
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 10:13:10 [item 19505#40864]
ok … but don’t forget personal thought spaces will spread by domain … and it is not just us deciding how that works for everybody.  at lease me, i can not figure out how it will work for everybody.   so yes i see that as a domain setting.  for example, the open cartoons and what they attracted did not really blend with what mark wanted to do … that was mostly just my own experiment … a fun one … but probably should have been done in a separated domain.  
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Si says
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 08:25:46 [item 19505#40820]
For instance, the new Mac systems come with much richer tagging for files, emails, pictures, everything. I tried it for a while … and just like here at FBI, it got crazy and useless very quickly. I no longer use Mac tagging for anything. I organize loosely by desktop and download folder and search for everything else. That’s how I organize on the Web too … I don’t use bookmarks at all, I just know how to write searches that find anything I am looking for right off the bat … and it works fantastically … faster than bookmarks, tags, anything like that. Type in a search and 2 clicks later I am exactly where I want to be. No tagging system can rival that.  
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 08:29:20 [item 19505#40822]
It would be nice to be able to do that at fbi independent of the tags like google site search. yes
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 08:31:05 [item 19505#40824]
Absolutely! It’s in the Nickel bank for funding … wait long enough and I will need it so bad I will probably make it anyway in my spare time. I’ve already lost most of what I put here at FBI.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 08:33:52 [item 19505#40825]
Isn’t there a challenge as to what Google picks up .  They miss stuff which is right on the page I am looking at sometimes.
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 08:38:58 [item 19505#40826]
I don’t have that. I have never analyzed my search patterns … they have developed over the last 25 years of using the internet. I just know that about 95 out of 100 times I find exactly what I am looking for with one search and usually one, once in a while two, clicks. That works so reliably I don’t both with bookmarks which take time and energy to maintain and organize and even to travel through with the mouse. Searching is quicker and however I do it, fast and close to perfect.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 08:42:19 [item 19505#40830]
I was talking within fbi ? searching within fbi via google site search.
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 08:45:02 [item 19505#40831]
Don’t know how to do that and wouldn’t ever want to. As a developer I am acutely aware of how horridly bad an idea it is to have googlebot inside these pages … I would never consciously venture into that. I have proposed how to make that tolerable in other threads (lost as usual).  
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 08:53:31 [item 19505#40833]
well we certainly need a full text search of fbi within fbi … is that not way up top of the wish list?

that said, searching the world at google is quite different than searching withing your own space.  it goes to what the difference between fbi is from facebook.   it talks of the relationship of a person to world and how that is evolving.  i too just go find whatever i want at google and rarely need to try more than one search and there it is … wow hasn’t thing internet thing become smart all of a sudden in only 20 years.   now maybe a time to focus a bit more … but we don’t close our eyes to do that … so how oh how are all these people to focus?  … is facebook really helping that happen? …. er, i don’t think so.
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 08:56:50 [item 19505#40834]
You keep calling this your own space, but other than it truly is becasee it is just you and 2 others, what makes this one’s own space? I can find nothing that is different here than Facebook in that way. All the same distractions, notifications, comments by others … it’s noisy even with just 3 people!
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 09:10:55 [item 19505#40838]
well we all define ourselves differently … me, i don’t define myself as just what flows from me … but rather all that i interact with … so the others here who are my audience and whom i respond to are part of my own space … in that particular regard, there is very little difference between fbi and facebook. 

… but facebook is just a party.   … and if you friend a lot of people because you are a people watcher it is a very large party.   What it is not is a place to focus your own productions, opuses, work, focus, studio, writings, understanding, awareness … whatever you pecularly are into.   Why do you think that most published authors have their own blogs … even though they also have facebook pages?  Facebook is not a place to focus … it is more like a place to loose yourself in others … (or some use it to brodcast themselves to others) … which is fun too … but that needs a balance … that balance is people’s own space where their tools are and their memories and their personal interactions with others … where they can feel the edges and effects that they are creating in the world ...
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 09:14:48 [item 19505#40840]
All right. I agree with all that. But you are still only saying what you think it should be. That is not how it is here at FBI. If you had half as many friends here as on Facebook (and if filtering to them was even possible) the party here would be just as big or bigger. There is no thing here that makes that aspect different from facebook … tag wars and RWG games in fact just make it more party like.
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 09:22:09 [item 19505#40844]
well yes … so that is why i said this is not trying to be another facebook.   so the biggest thing that is different is that all those people … in my case about 500 … are over there and not here.   fbi will specialize in each domain attracting a set of people who can interact at a greater deapth and over a longer period of time.  when things get big and diverse with too much random zigging around, the domain splits … see 19480
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 09:29:18 [item 19505#40849]
people can rely on facebook and twitter and G+ for the larger social interaction and where-it-is finding where the fiddle is hung … where people are partying and what is the latest crze.   all combined those places are doing a fine job of that .... not trying to do that job.   but we sure can specialize on integrating those other places with individual focus.   it’s almost as if your personal fbi space is your ego to the rest of the cybernetic world. 
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 09:34:49 [item 19505#40851]
How sir? What here does that? You keep saying that is how it is, but I don’t see or feel it. What specifically does this personal magic you are speaking about?
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 09:53:06 [item 19505#40856]
well it is a newnew thing, does not totally exist in the world yet … you may almost need to do it, or at least feel the urge to do it, to grok what it is.  But you already have … Why did your group create content at http://www.playnexus.com/ ?  Why did you not just do that all at facebook?  Same reason really.   Why does http://www.katyamills.com/ speak in her wordpress blog … instead of being just a facebooker?  Same reason really.  What about the coop … why shouldn’t we do everything just at facebook … why should we have our own website …. http://rentonfoodcoop.org/ ?  Same reason really.  How about the New York times … why don’t they just use facebook? 

People share from their own space into the grand common social party … that is how it works … that is what we need to be good at doing.  What we don’t want to do is throw another grand party down the block.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 10:01:11 [item 19505#40859]
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magor@Magor 2016-01-03 10:07:03 [item 19505#40861]
The weird thing here is that I want to respond to the last comment Seth made but all I can respond to is the whole bunch of comments .  How will anyone know which one my last thumbs up yesapplied to?
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 10:09:09 [item 19505#40863]
just say something particualr to what i said … we will know what you are saying.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 10:15:03 [item 19505#40865]
Was pointing at a need in the structure; particularly if forking occurs but also the compression of the comments. surprise
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 10:18:26 [item 19505#40867]
comments are being compressed wrong … the last comment that a person is responding to should be shown alwasy and not collapsed ever.  perhaps collapse above that or from the top down just to that comment but not that comment.
Maybe. Put in a thought for that for later. Too many things going on now and I will never find this in a comment.

Si says
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 09:59:44 [item 19505#40858]
Well yes. Personal space. But that doesn’t exist here. Here it is just like FB. I can’t create a group and only let new thoughts appear in the river (and google etc) and nowhere else. If I create a group I am joining a party with all the other live groups here. I get notifications from them and my searches include them. Again, that is why personal focus groups are “my” wallaby. I want to be able to advertise a group and let people come here to it and “only” get news and notifications and searches and tags that relate to my focus group. Then there would be a difference here from FB. Then there would be a kind of personal space. Right now, it’s just a huge multi-group party and mutual consent space … kind of a gang bang, or so it feels to me.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 10:21:18 [item 19505#40869]
Isn’t your wallaby, just G+ ?question
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 10:22:45 [item 19505#40870]
I don’t G+ … G+ sucks. There are no more people there than there are here … i.e. about 3 … and the circles stuff is just stupid IMHO.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 10:24:35 [item 19505#40873]
that’s kinda negative isn’t it?question
It’s kind G+ … I’m a FBookie.

Mark de LA says
nathan@niche 2016-01-03 07:40:54 [item 19505#40804]
In fact, as an exercise, I challenge you. Write what is different in simple terms that can be understood by anyone and sound interesting.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 09:20:57 [item 19505#40843]
Maybe speak to what fbi is rather than what it is not like or comparisons. One of the basic contexts for declaring who I am as a possibility  requires staying positive AND making the possibility sustain out of nothing.  cool
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 09:26:52 [item 19505#40848]
Sometime you have to start where you are at. For one thing, you and Seth both seem to have the idea that FBI creates your own personal space and helps you not be distracted and be in a party like environment. I don’t see that at all (other than there are only 3 people here). With 3 people this place is more distracting and more involved than my FB is with 500 friends.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 09:34:53 [item 19505#40852]
That may be because you have not been with fbi very long & have your own purposes, N. I find fb rather worthless for anything except very short, almost one-way conversations.  pondering
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 09:37:10 [item 19505#40854]
Or it may be that you have been here so long with only 2 people and an occasional visitor. With even conservatively moderate traffic here it would seem a bigger party than FB. If one thought here goes viral, you could have 10,000 new groups created in an hour … imagine how personal it would be here then.
I challenge nathan@fbi to come up with his own clearly distinct wallaby about what fbi is or could become independent of G+ or FBI . What is the possibility we are chasing?pondering

Si says
mark 2016-01-03 08:02:28 [item 19505#40811]
I still like the idea of a digital mind or spare brain with easy folksonomy.
Thanks to the wizzard
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 08:04:42 [item 19505#40813]
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magor@Magor 2016-01-03 09:37:36 [item 19505#40855]
The notion of having a CONVERSATION with the Internet sounds more fun.
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 09:59:16 [item 19505#40857]
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magor@Magor 2016-01-03 10:28:33 [item 19505#40875]
This item in the news shows there are more comments.  It would be nice to be able to expand them there & not loose my place going back to the comment in the group & then have to expand it again there to find out what the comment is all about. Maybe there is a better way to say that. pondering
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 10:30:17 [item 19505#40876]
didnt you arlready discusss that one at leangth and get it rejected?  … er, using my meat memory here on that … search is down.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 10:41:58 [item 19505#40880]
ponderingI don’t memorize rejection – I’m a positive kind of guy laughing If I ever mentioned before it still is an irritation. I think the problem exists in FB but only to a lesser extent.  Most people don’t do a lot of nesting of comments on fb.
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 10:45:15 [item 19505#40882]
Jizzz guys. It is supposed to show the last comment and the one before that. I will check to make sure it is doing that later. Nothing was ever rejected. Why do you guys beat dead horses into pulp?
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 10:48:43 [item 19505#40886]
more negativity ?question – just asking/saying angel
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 10:56:10 [item 19505#40890]
notice there are 2 different things being discussed in this thread … 1 is mark’s complaint that you cannot expand comments in the news … and 2 my comlaing i just thought [title Bug: comments being compressed wrong] which is about how comments actually do compress in rooms (and not news).
No. Sorry. I am deep in malware land. And by LOA, whatever you get in bed with you become like. But that is the only way to find it. So pardon me if I seem like shit … I am swimming in the stuff. It’s the only way to do this.

Mark de LA says
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 11:09:15 [item 19505#40900]
… but you can just look up online for mysql natural language search. There are deep technical documents out there telling how it all works. I have seen them and passed on reading. Doesn’t matter, works nicely  
Yep, I also know what natural languange processing is too!yes

Mark de LA says
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 09:59:44 [item 19505#40858]
Well yes. Personal space. But that doesn’t exist here. Here it is just like FB. I can’t create a group and only let new thoughts appear in the river (and google etc) and nowhere else. If I create a group I am joining a party with all the other live groups here. I get notifications from them and my searches include them. Again, that is why personal focus groups are “my” wallaby. I want to be able to advertise a group and let people come here to it and “only” get news and notifications and searches and tags that relate to my focus group. Then there would be a difference here from FB. Then there would be a kind of personal space. Right now, it’s just a huge multi-group party and mutual consent space … kind of a gang bang, or so it feels to me.
seth@fbi 2016-01-03 10:24:33 [item 19505#40872]
not really true.   if you want your group to be completely introverted, just make most of your thoughts private to that group.  I think that should be an group setting … default a post to private unless private is unchecked.   Mark does that a lot.  In my domain here i prefer the default group setting should be to default to a public thought … and privatize if it is not wanted to be public.  That is just the way the wizzard likes it here.   But other domains will zig where i like to zag. 
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 10:31:33 [item 19505#40877]
Private posts would only be a tiny piece of it, and actually not wanted. I would want many of the thoughts to go out into the river. I just don’t want to be informed of everything else going on here at FBI, or only what I select to include. I sure don’t want my friends and possible customers here to see your and Mark RWG shit in their news and river … and similar if someone was running a prono group here and I was making a group for kids. If you call that introverted so be it … I just call it common sense for anything that makes the claim to be personal space centric … which is what you opened with as being the difference here. There is no way to focus here, it’s just one huge party … and there is no way to protect my people who come here, which is why I have not suggested my playnexus tribe start a group here … they would not stay around very long if they did.
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 10:46:16 [item 19505#40884]
more negativity? surprise
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 10:47:32 [item 19505#40885]
I don’t think you know what that word means.
Well it’s usage by nathan@fbi seems much like anything that knocks him off his high flying disk is negative. I could be wrong, though – maybe it is just anything said that he dislikes. Maybe he will clarify – I am guessing now.thumbs up

Mark de LA says
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 09:03:58 [item 19505#40836]
The biggest problem with finding things here is not solved by tags at all. 90% of the stuff I write that is useful is in a comments, often in a thread block. Tags don’t help find those … and even if you could tag comments, it would just create a tagmare or tagmire … beyond the one that already exists.

I often wonder how useful tags will end up being to Seth once there are thousands of people creating tags all over the place. There soon reaches a point where things are tagged so many ways that you have to search through and try so many tags to find what you are looking for. The words inside something are tags in themselves and more specific and not polluted by others ideas of how to tag.  
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 09:13:08 [item 19505#40839]
What good are mnemonics ? what good are #hashtags ? 20 years of memory – easy to search. 50 years of memory – still relatively easy. 74 years of memory needs some strategy – what comes before what, where was I when …. etc. What feelings summon it.  The same challenges obtain for digital memory with tags as digital signposts & nodes on a neural network.  If I forget a word there is nothing about words to find it. Young people occasionally forget words – it is not an age thing. indecision
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 09:23:15 [item 19505#40846]
That’s why natural language search is so nice. Then you can search for concepts, not just a word.  
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 10:55:47 [item 19505#40889]
cool- got one handy?  So far Stanford is good at entities & some relationships & diagramming sentences, but ..
see http://nlp.stanford.edu/ 
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 10:59:37 [item 19505#40893]
Natural language search is built-in to mysql. Only has to be set up a bit. I have used it before, works nice.  
magor@Magor 2016-01-03 11:03:43 [item 19505#40896]
It would be interesting to see a query statement from that.  > 50 years ago I worked on a pentagon system where the query language looked very English like but did not have the intelligence of a pine cone. Kinda depends a lot on what is in the database itself & what names are used.
nathan@fbi 2016-01-03 11:07:35 [item 19505#40898]
You never see the queries. They are built in. You only get the results which are ranked by percentage of likely match.
seth 2016-01-03 11:30:40 [item 19505#40910]
to nathan’s point about my use of tags.

a tag is very different sort of thing than a search.  a tag is an intentional marking.  it is a tool for organizing.  it introduces structure amoung thoughts.  a search just yeals where a sign exists and, yes, gets you back to it.  a tag organized according to the intentions of your mind and gets you back to that in context with a single click. 
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nathan@fbi 2016-01-05 03:45:07 [item 19505#41100]
Still looking for a distinction on this one. All other answers so far boil down to this being a more personal experience … but that seems to be an artifact of that there are only 3 people here right now. With 10 more, it would be less personal than FB IMHO.

Other than my initial thought, what is different and special here? And if it is to be that this is a more personal experience, what is needed to make it so? What must remain? These questions seem important and not yet answered. I know that I feel very exposed, very forcefully connected here. It is perhaps the hardest to have a personal experience here of any place I have been in the cloud.
When I use my own low-priced meat computer all kinds of stuff shows up – some not expressible in words. I can clothe some of it with words & sentences & language & other symbols, but some kind of a tag has to enter the room (mind-space) to find it again.  GW calls the space “chaos not yet become cosmos” (* – pg 6.) The ones I use may not work for you or all people or any person except me, but you are right in that they are personal.  I use them to find the same train of thought, feeling or will.  In a medium like fbi or others it is nice when the tag recalls more than a single event & when it calls up others’  it is very emotionally rewarding like N’s finding “others like him” – the synchronicity is priceless.  The idea behind what someone writes or the picture one is viewing may not be the all there is vis-a-vis natural language except to the originator of the language, picture etc or part of the chaos become cosmos.
cool – p.s. try to find this paragraph again with a natural language search not using any tag or low-priced meat computer memory!
seth@niche 2016-01-05 09:16:19 [item 19505#41104]
yes  yes that has been my experience as well.

Another thing there is the single click to retrieve … quite different than pulling up a search box and trying to find an argument to type into it and then examining the results. 

Another thing is that once tagged, you can then use it to point people to something … here i will do it right here tagging smug.

Above all it is the associations that a person brings to the table themselves … not what already was there on the table.  It is like coining words into your mind.   It is building language itself.  It is how this whole metaworld of language started happening … oh say, 2 million years ago. 
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