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  1. speaking
  2. hearing
  3. listening
  4. to listen
  5. memes

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Seth says
seth 2016-01-04 03:40:37 [item 19511#40936]
Bug:  all the tags on this thought were affixed by group seth yet i cannot edit them.  This is a permission change from fbi1 where if you affixed a tag, you coud edit it.  As well as,  if you owned an thought you could edit its tags.

This is necessary for a person to correct their own spelling, or to delete a tag affixed by mistake.   Case in point ….  Mark, could you delete my to listen … clearly there is nothing “to listen” to here.
nathan@fbi 2016-01-04 06:04:22 [item 19511#40937]
Are you sure you were not seth@fbi when you affixed them? I am currently nathan@fbi and I can edit all but the meme’s tag. And group mark owns the thought, not seth.
seth 2016-01-04 07:04:37 [item 19511#40938]
ok … well yes you have proved it.    so you can delete my mistake.

but it does bring up an important point in our new universe.   tags should be owned by the person and not the group.  does that make sense?   so the mre effect can still be curated.  mark wold still have rights to affix tags in group seth and even edit the tags he creates there, but since i have rights to delete tags in my group, i can just delete them where they do not apply.
nathan@fbi 2016-01-04 07:12:47 [item 19511#40939]
Interesting. Currently the logic is that all group members are equal in what they can do. This was a previous requirement because a group was the only true identity. When we actually have true individuals, and not just pen names in groups, then such can change. Currently the roaming identity is not given any special privileges or rights, only being used to save things like hidden comments.

I think there needs to be a table listing ALL such changes going from groups to individuals and what should remain at the group level and what transfer to the individual level … before that shift finally happens.
okay definitely … i will work on that smug

Mark de LA says
seth@fbi 2016-01-04 02:58:05 [item 19511#40935]
yes true … and i hasten to add …

if you are speaking something new,
don’t be surprised if nobody hears you.

Bozo Faust
I would be surprised for some value of the word “new” – since I don’t associate the ability to listen with my ears or read with my eyes as having anything to do with the ordinary meaning of the word “new”. 
But then too, J.C. went around saying such when spoke parables & taught “He who has ears let him hear”
pondering
 

Seth says
mark 2016-01-04 07:30:53 [item 19511#40942]
Also maybe look at the need to prompt for a change in name/user that he/she/it is not the originator of some post.  If I have the group password why is that necessary?
nathan@domain 2016-01-04 07:35:17 [item 19511#40944]
As the prompt says “you may loose data if you edit that post”. That is what the prompt is about. It is warning you that you don’t own that, so if you edit it at the same time as the owner, one of you is going to loose the save race.
mark 2016-01-04 08:01:38 [item 19511#40957]
It is true that in fbi1 – we rarely had more than 2 people commenting on the same item nor imho was it possible to destroy each other’s comments except overtly deleting them.  Have we now some other weird queuing theory being applied n here? question
nathan 2016-01-04 08:20:47 [item 19511#40962]
No. The “not yours” prompt only applies to thoughts (posts, items, whatever you are used to calling them) not comments. The “race” condition has always existed, you hardly noticed because there were only 2 here. But since the beginning, if two people edited a thought at the same time, the last one to save won and the other guy’s edits were gone. That has never changed. This situation is handled in comments by forking them and then both exist as forked threads … but that solution cannot be applied to thoughts … forked thoughts would be relatively useless … instead it is handled by the prompt, warning you that you are venturing into a possible race to save condition with someone else.

This has always existed, now you are being made aware of it. The only true way to fix it is atomized streams and ajax real time pages … that is on the Nickel Bank list as a $1000 project if anyone want’s to fund it.
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Si says
mark 2016-01-04 08:46:38 [item 19511#40968]
I thought in fbi1 – using the quote mark widget got you another comment on that item.  If two people were doing it at the same time I would have expected both comments to be there even if one was “re-edited” .  Help me out wizzard NOw if one was deleting the comment being quoted by the other there might have been a problem.
It works the same. Before it always forked and was not called forking, it was just a long trail of dead comments left behind. Now, we auto clean things a bit by deleting the dead stuff when it is not needed … but when a collision happens, we still fork (leave both behind). So nothing is getting lost in comments, your’s is always there in one of the threads as it was before. What can be lost is changes to thoughts if two people edit the same thought at the same time. If you ignore the warning screen, you take that risk … before it still happened, you just were not warned.

Mark de LA says
mark 2016-01-04 08:46:38 [item 19511#40968]
I thought in fbi1 – using the quote mark widget got you another comment on that item.  If two people were doing it at the same time I would have expected both comments to be there even if one was “re-edited” .  Help me out wizzard NOw if one was deleting the comment being quoted by the other there might have been a problem.
seth 2016-01-04 08:52:19 [item 19511#40970]
hard for me to figure out what you are asking.  

true, in fb1, useing the quote widget gave you another comment in that thread.  just like it does here in fb2. 
and here if two people do it the same time, then they fork and yes we do get two threads.

So now, what is the problem that you see?
Nate explained it. Thank You. yes

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