I think group names need to be a better managed resource

Group names are just to valuable and hard to change later to be so whimsically managed. I think it is a huge waste that someone can grab any group name available just to try the system with some junk posts and never come back. I think getting a good group name should be a privilege that is earned.

Not sure the solution, but I am sure there needs to be one of some kind. The easy ability here for anyone to turn good group names into garbage, just by trying things out, or even deliberately, is not good.

One idea is that we assume that there is a true group rename feature [issues described in this comment] and that new “on the fly groups” are created with a prefix like the word new, like in “new star wars” and “new cooking”. Then, after the author proves they really want it and will use it, the name can be changed to be just “star wars” or “cooking”, unless someone else proves out first, but then that’s all part of the game.

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Seth says
seth 2016-01-15 06:48:06 [item 19671#42078]
I agree.   I noticed this as i was cleaning up groups … i ended up deleteing any group, regardless of its archaic value, if it was grabbing a common name.  

There is one partial easy solution … issue every one a personal group name which corresponds to their full name (perhaps with spaces removed) … when they initially sign on.  That way they can start using the system an participating in other groups right off the bat … with no need to grab a common name for themselves.  So mine would have been “sethrussell” … or maybe “seth.russell”.   This could be checked on personal registration, and if the name is taken, the person could find some way to vary it. 

Then, yes, there would need to be some process for creating a group name … especially open groups.

 
dA 2016-01-15 06:51:01 [item 19671#42079]
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Mark 2016-01-15 08:42:55 [item 19671#42086]
When you expand fbi beyond us three + patty ? you may find there are many John Jones etc. that problem already exists in FB. it is the combo John Jones, email, group name etc that creates uniqueness.  
ID is some f(name,email,group,location(?)) etc.  Then too I know who I am! laughing – np for me.
seth 2016-01-15 08:53:52 [item 19671#42089]
enlightenedwell that may be an good idea to consider.

Allow multiple john.jones into the system ...but hyperlink to their unique author group which was issued at the time of registration.   Humans will process those names exactly as they do in real life (irl). You take the link to see who it is.  

 thing is, if i meet another “seth” here i would have to kill him laugh.   So to solve that problem we could insist on a first and last name at registration.  And we don’t care what it is, they can make up whatever,  just as long as it does not contain any of the disallowed special characters …  and we would replace the spaces with “.”.   So mark, and seth, and nathan, and even patty grabbed a bit of realestate … so be it, after all we are the founding parents.

Would that work for all ?  
 
dA 2016-01-15 09:01:29 [item 19671#42090]
Not seeing how first and last name help much. There are many people with same first and last names. There is even another Nathan Bawden out there I have run into a time or two. But not a Nathan S. Bawden. Bet there are lots of Seth Russell’s … and you don’t even have a middle name!

For this reason, the system is already tied to email address. But email addresses don’t make good group names … probably … or maybe they should.
 
seth 2016-01-15 09:11:18 [item 19671#42095]
the url to the author’s “identity group” would be something like http://fastblogit.com/john.jones.123456 … but when you linked their name to a thought it would show “john.jones”.  
dA 2016-01-15 09:28:36 [item 19671#42103]
This could work if the group name pattern is one that is disallowed in normal group names. Then the pattern can be detected programmatically to know that this is an identity group. Then it could be burned into text in the base and would not require lookups to figure it out. That would solve other problems too.

One simple way is to disallow periods in regular group names. Periods in group names could be reserved for system name patterns.
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Holmes says
seth 2016-01-15 09:23:25 [item 19671#42098]
first and last would give us the ability to play with people earning the privilege of being known by their first name only.   i thought you wanted that too.
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Seth says
Mark 2016-01-15 08:32:10 [item 19671#42083]
  • Seems to work well in G+
  • Maybe it is back to #hashtags , & there may be the same problems as with twitterings
  • A decent search algorithm could minimize discomfort if there is any – should’nt be any
  • External control to fit the programmer’s skills
  • Sorry about group law of attraction – didn’t think there was just one point of view on it – could make one for group dA law of attraction or [dA LOA]
  • control from on high tends in the ultimate to political correctness – extreme is nazification
  • one can organize one’s own thoughts in any way one wants, but just like in real life one may encounter dissonance, clarification, chances to expand, & rub them against others (if such exist).
  • ...
seth 2016-01-15 08:41:32 [item 19671#42085]
Well this has nothing to do with either “programmers skills” or “control from on high”.

It has to do with the way things work on the Internet and the texture that is created by “first come, first claim willy-nilly naming”.  Consider for example if the first person who wanted to name a domain could just typed one in, however flaky,  with no commitment to actually running the domain.   Think about it … the internet just would not have worked at all.  
Mark 2016-01-15 08:45:33 [item 19671#42087]
  • like I said it works fine on G+ 
  • who besides you folks name domains?
  • as bozo says where does it hurt, why can’t that be eliminated by some other method that leaves freedom alone.
seth 2016-01-15 09:03:32 [item 19671#42092]
i did propose, provoked by you, a solution that leaves freedom alone.    G+ solves it by forcing the creation of wierd names like “seth.russell.123456”.   With my solution the “123456” would be behind the scenes … almost invisibel.  
Mark 2016-01-15 09:28:33 [item 19671#42102]
N is talking about group names.rose
well things are changing a bit here as we are thinking about it over the past several days.   Now we have a real personal identity … that changes everything.   Here we are talking about how a person’s personal room (blog, thoughts, page, profile) gets associated to their unique personal author identity.  We never could even think about that before because we didn’t have any stinking personal identity at all.  

Holmes says
dA 2016-01-15 09:52:29 [item 19671#42111]
The other way to go is parallel group names. I don’t know what G+ does, but that’s what FB does. There are no exact names, user or group, at FB. Everything in the graph has a unique id and names are just aliases. Then there could be 500 seth groups … links would contain the visible name and the hidden id. No group would ever have a simple name. All names would be something like seth.1 (yea you could maybe get 1 … but actually not since the quad id’s are already running and you are seth.1891 in the db already … but I guess I could dump the table and reload it with fresh id’s since they haven’t been used anywhere yet )
seth 2016-01-15 09:59:26 [item 19671#42115]
well i think that FB does have a way, which i had to go through,  to claim my own personal profile identity … i am https://www.facebook.com/russell.seth at Facebook now.  like we talked, there is a separate identity string behind the scenes.  
FB is finicky about giving out url’s yes, but that’s a side issue. When you sign up, and once your email is verified, you are given a FB id that is forever after you. Same with groups, same with anything there, even a picture or a comment. All names are just painted on top of the FBID which tags every single molecule in the FB universe.

Seth says
dA 2016-01-15 09:02:28 [item 19671#42091]
But then, your email is advertised. Not a good idea.
seth 2016-01-15 09:04:34 [item 19671#42093]
no not take the name from the email … take the name from the author’s “real” name that you already request on the form.
dA 2016-01-15 09:08:29 [item 19671#42094]
Well, coming up with a hidden designator is not a problem. Don’t have to make some name up … the quad table already has a unique ID for the user entry and any hidden name can just be that. The problem I still have is how to allocate public group names sensibly. A freedom dogpile race is not sensible IMHO. I would want people to earn it, to game it, to make it part of the fun and also the management of the system. On stackoverflow, for instance, you earn everything, and it works well.
seth 2016-01-15 09:13:26 [item 19671#42096]
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Mark 2016-01-15 09:25:35 [item 19671#42100]
N wants a game? laughing
seth 2016-01-15 09:32:08 [item 19671#42104]
it’s fun to have to earn a prestigious name … people like that shit … me too.  sure it is ego and even egoo and even evil selfie and status seeking and all of that.   nevertheless there is a thing in a name … and the shorter the better … and if you think about it: this language game is all about naming … so let’s play it too.
Mark 2016-01-15 09:53:10 [item 19671#42112]
Slashdot has a system of peer rating that is pretty good. I suppose on a small usage it could get gamed.  With scaling up come new needs. The twitter game I mentioned (yesterday?) with a market evolving for user names if not tied to reality is just one need. pondering
seth 2016-01-15 10:11:03 [item 19671#42118]
new group naming … thinking out loud here … might go something like this:
  • choose whatever flakey or simple group name you want – that conforms to some rules – for example no special characters and no upper case
  • the domain attaches a unique id to that group name
  • the url would be http://fastblogit.com/flakey.123456
  • the 123456 would not appear in thoughts, but would in  the url
  • the person could petition, with a some minimum amount of manifested thinging,  to remove the 123456 from the URL – that is pretty much what FB does now with pages.
there would be a problem with refering to group flakey but might be solved by where it was ambiguous, the link opens a diaambuation page – err i think that is a Wikipedia solution for this prob.
Mark 2016-01-15 10:15:20 [item 19671#42120]
I hope you folks don’t screw up the groups & items I already have. sad
Mark 2016-01-15 10:22:19 [item 19671#42123]
Try explaining how it works to Patty or the next newbie to come along as to how it all works now & in the future & see how big the HUH? pile gets.
 
dA 2016-01-15 10:24:25 [item 19671#42124]
Oh I lay awake for hours in bed every night solely figuring out ways I can screw your stuff up … yea.
 
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Seth says
dA 2016-01-15 09:02:28 [item 19671#42091]
But then, your email is advertised. Not a good idea.
seth 2016-01-15 09:04:34 [item 19671#42093]
no not take the name from the email … take the name from the author’s “real” name that you already request on the form.
dA 2016-01-15 09:08:29 [item 19671#42094]
Well, coming up with a hidden designator is not a problem. Don’t have to make some name up … the quad table already has a unique ID for the user entry and any hidden name can just be that. The problem I still have is how to allocate public group names sensibly. A freedom dogpile race is not sensible IMHO. I would want people to earn it, to game it, to make it part of the fun and also the management of the system. On stackoverflow, for instance, you earn everything, and it works well.
seth 2016-01-15 09:13:26 [item 19671#42096]
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Mark 2016-01-15 09:25:35 [item 19671#42100]
N wants a game? laughing
seth 2016-01-15 09:32:08 [item 19671#42104]
it’s fun to have to earn a prestigious name … people like that shit … me too.  sure it is ego and even egoo and even evil selfie and status seeking and all of that.   nevertheless there is a thing in a name … and the shorter the better … and if you think about it: this language game is all about naming … so let’s play it too.
Mark 2016-01-15 09:53:10 [item 19671#42112]
Slashdot has a system of peer rating that is pretty good. I suppose on a small usage it could get gamed.  With scaling up come new needs. The twitter game I mentioned (yesterday?) with a market evolving for user names if not tied to reality is just one need. pondering
seth 2016-01-15 10:11:03 [item 19671#42118]
new group naming … thinking out loud here … might go something like this:
  • choose whatever flakey or simple group name you want – that conforms to some rules – for example no special characters and no upper case
  • the domain attaches a unique id to that group name
  • the url would be http://fastblogit.com/flakey.123456
  • the 123456 would not appear in thoughts, but would in  the url
  • the person could petition, with a some minimum amount of manifested thinging,  to remove the 123456 from the URL – that is pretty much what FB does now with pages.
there would be a problem with refering to group flakey but might be solved by where it was ambiguous, the link opens a diaambuation page – err i think that is a Wikipedia solution for this prob.
Mark 2016-01-15 10:15:20 [item 19671#42120]
I hope you folks don’t screw up the groups & items I already have. sad
Mark 2016-01-15 10:22:19 [item 19671#42123]
Try explaining how it works to Patty or the next newbie to come along as to how it all works now & in the future & see how big the HUH? pile gets.
 
dA 2016-01-15 10:24:25 [item 19671#42124]
Oh I lay awake for hours in bed every night solely figuring out ways I can screw your stuff up … yea.
 
Mark 2016-01-15 10:29:18 [item 19671#42129]
dA – what a waste. laughing Point is if I have to rewrite a lot of what I already published & links I have given to others now & it becomes upward incompatible then …. (you supply what word I should instead of screw-up).pondering(sarcasm notwithstanding)
seth 2016-01-15 10:35:00 [item 19671#42131]
actually mark i don’t know of a reason for any of your old stuff, links and such, to change at all.   and you can keep doing stuff just exactly as you have in the past.   the only problem might be if you gave out a url to a real flakey room that can’t survive here.  Any item itself goes by its thought number and those will persist. 

so i am really not sure where any of this new identity changes will fuck you up?
Mark 2016-01-15 10:40:43 [item 19671#42135]
KEWL – (on the upward compatibility stuff) ; crude language notwithstanding. 
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Mark de LA says
dA 2016-01-15 09:02:28 [item 19671#42091]
But then, your email is advertised. Not a good idea.
seth 2016-01-15 09:04:34 [item 19671#42093]
no not take the name from the email … take the name from the author’s “real” name that you already request on the form.
dA 2016-01-15 09:08:29 [item 19671#42094]
Well, coming up with a hidden designator is not a problem. Don’t have to make some name up … the quad table already has a unique ID for the user entry and any hidden name can just be that. The problem I still have is how to allocate public group names sensibly. A freedom dogpile race is not sensible IMHO. I would want people to earn it, to game it, to make it part of the fun and also the management of the system. On stackoverflow, for instance, you earn everything, and it works well.
seth 2016-01-15 09:13:26 [item 19671#42096]
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Mark 2016-01-15 09:25:35 [item 19671#42100]
N wants a game? laughing
seth 2016-01-15 09:32:08 [item 19671#42104]
it’s fun to have to earn a prestigious name … people like that shit … me too.  sure it is ego and even egoo and even evil selfie and status seeking and all of that.   nevertheless there is a thing in a name … and the shorter the better … and if you think about it: this language game is all about naming … so let’s play it too.
Mark 2016-01-15 09:53:10 [item 19671#42112]
Slashdot has a system of peer rating that is pretty good. I suppose on a small usage it could get gamed.  With scaling up come new needs. The twitter game I mentioned (yesterday?) with a market evolving for user names if not tied to reality is just one need. pondering
dA 2016-01-15 10:02:47 [item 19671#42116]
Don’t know about slashdot, but stackoverflow has one of the most successful models for gaming a community out there. It is the defacto standard for programming help of all kinds and maintains high quality through it’s extensive gaming of answer privileges. 
Stackoverblow is more for techie programmers – slashdot is expanded to most Tech . I am not sure there is a model for the general “thinking public” (sic). laughing

Mark de LA says
dA 2016-01-15 09:02:28 [item 19671#42091]
But then, your email is advertised. Not a good idea.
seth 2016-01-15 09:04:34 [item 19671#42093]
no not take the name from the email … take the name from the author’s “real” name that you already request on the form.
dA 2016-01-15 09:08:29 [item 19671#42094]
Well, coming up with a hidden designator is not a problem. Don’t have to make some name up … the quad table already has a unique ID for the user entry and any hidden name can just be that. The problem I still have is how to allocate public group names sensibly. A freedom dogpile race is not sensible IMHO. I would want people to earn it, to game it, to make it part of the fun and also the management of the system. On stackoverflow, for instance, you earn everything, and it works well.
seth 2016-01-15 09:13:26 [item 19671#42096]
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Mark 2016-01-15 09:25:35 [item 19671#42100]
N wants a game? laughing
seth 2016-01-15 09:32:08 [item 19671#42104]
it’s fun to have to earn a prestigious name … people like that shit … me too.  sure it is ego and even egoo and even evil selfie and status seeking and all of that.   nevertheless there is a thing in a name … and the shorter the better … and if you think about it: this language game is all about naming … so let’s play it too.
Mark 2016-01-15 09:53:10 [item 19671#42112]
Slashdot has a system of peer rating that is pretty good. I suppose on a small usage it could get gamed.  With scaling up come new needs. The twitter game I mentioned (yesterday?) with a market evolving for user names if not tied to reality is just one need. pondering
seth 2016-01-15 10:11:03 [item 19671#42118]
new group naming … thinking out loud here … might go something like this:
  • choose whatever flakey or simple group name you want – that conforms to some rules – for example no special characters and no upper case
  • the domain attaches a unique id to that group name
  • the url would be http://fastblogit.com/flakey.123456
  • the 123456 would not appear in thoughts, but would in  the url
  • the person could petition, with a some minimum amount of manifested thinging,  to remove the 123456 from the URL – that is pretty much what FB does now with pages.
there would be a problem with refering to group flakey but might be solved by where it was ambiguous, the link opens a diaambuation page – err i think that is a Wikipedia solution for this prob.
Mark 2016-01-15 10:15:20 [item 19671#42120]
I hope you folks don’t screw up the groups & items I already have. sad
Mark 2016-01-15 10:22:19 [item 19671#42123]
Try explaining how it works to Patty or the next newbie to come along as to how it all works now & in the future & see how big the HUH? pile gets.
 
seth 2016-01-15 10:25:47 [item 19671#42126]
i won’t have a problem with patty … i know her intimately blush.   And strangely enough what is shaping up here is far more normal across the web than the childish way i pioneered.
Mark 2016-01-15 11:28:21 [item 19671#42151]
KEWL – maybe try explaining to Elaine. laughing
seth 2016-01-15 11:32:57 [item 19671#42153]
you mean group winnie ?
Yep, our sister !  [see: group thefamily] – she does OK on FB. yes

Seth says
dA 2016-01-15 09:02:28 [item 19671#42091]
But then, your email is advertised. Not a good idea.
seth 2016-01-15 09:04:34 [item 19671#42093]
no not take the name from the email … take the name from the author’s “real” name that you already request on the form.
dA 2016-01-15 09:08:29 [item 19671#42094]
Well, coming up with a hidden designator is not a problem. Don’t have to make some name up … the quad table already has a unique ID for the user entry and any hidden name can just be that. The problem I still have is how to allocate public group names sensibly. A freedom dogpile race is not sensible IMHO. I would want people to earn it, to game it, to make it part of the fun and also the management of the system. On stackoverflow, for instance, you earn everything, and it works well.
seth 2016-01-15 09:13:26 [item 19671#42096]
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Mark 2016-01-15 09:25:35 [item 19671#42100]
N wants a game? laughing
seth 2016-01-15 09:32:08 [item 19671#42104]
it’s fun to have to earn a prestigious name … people like that shit … me too.  sure it is ego and even egoo and even evil selfie and status seeking and all of that.   nevertheless there is a thing in a name … and the shorter the better … and if you think about it: this language game is all about naming … so let’s play it too.
Mark 2016-01-15 09:53:10 [item 19671#42112]
Slashdot has a system of peer rating that is pretty good. I suppose on a small usage it could get gamed.  With scaling up come new needs. The twitter game I mentioned (yesterday?) with a market evolving for user names if not tied to reality is just one need. pondering
seth 2016-01-15 10:11:03 [item 19671#42118]
new group naming … thinking out loud here … might go something like this:
  • choose whatever flakey or simple group name you want – that conforms to some rules – for example no special characters and no upper case
  • the domain attaches a unique id to that group name
  • the url would be http://fastblogit.com/flakey.123456
  • the 123456 would not appear in thoughts, but would in  the url
  • the person could petition, with a some minimum amount of manifested thinging,  to remove the 123456 from the URL – that is pretty much what FB does now with pages.
there would be a problem with refering to group flakey but might be solved by where it was ambiguous, the link opens a diaambuation page – err i think that is a Wikipedia solution for this prob.
Mark 2016-01-15 10:15:20 [item 19671#42120]
I hope you folks don’t screw up the groups & items I already have. sad
Mark 2016-01-15 10:22:19 [item 19671#42123]
Try explaining how it works to Patty or the next newbie to come along as to how it all works now & in the future & see how big the HUH? pile gets.
 
seth 2016-01-15 10:25:47 [item 19671#42126]
i won’t have a problem with patty … i know her intimately blush.   And strangely enough what is shaping up here is far more normal across the web than the childish way i pioneered.
Mark 2016-01-15 11:28:21 [item 19671#42151]
KEWL – maybe try explaining to Elaine. laughing
you mean group winnie ?  … i am not sure how that will hurt.  Maybe when our identity crisis is all stabelized we will invite her over here again … who knows … maybe she will bring some of her artist friends and this might really start to happen.  don’t forget we are suppose to be able to share from here on other social media … so it really is a better place for her and them to project their opuses from.  

Mark de LA says
dA 2016-01-15 09:02:28 [item 19671#42091]
But then, your email is advertised. Not a good idea.
seth 2016-01-15 09:04:34 [item 19671#42093]
no not take the name from the email … take the name from the author’s “real” name that you already request on the form.
dA 2016-01-15 09:08:29 [item 19671#42094]
Well, coming up with a hidden designator is not a problem. Don’t have to make some name up … the quad table already has a unique ID for the user entry and any hidden name can just be that. The problem I still have is how to allocate public group names sensibly. A freedom dogpile race is not sensible IMHO. I would want people to earn it, to game it, to make it part of the fun and also the management of the system. On stackoverflow, for instance, you earn everything, and it works well.
seth 2016-01-15 09:13:26 [item 19671#42096]
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Mark 2016-01-15 09:25:35 [item 19671#42100]
N wants a game? laughing
seth 2016-01-15 09:32:08 [item 19671#42104]
it’s fun to have to earn a prestigious name … people like that shit … me too.  sure it is ego and even egoo and even evil selfie and status seeking and all of that.   nevertheless there is a thing in a name … and the shorter the better … and if you think about it: this language game is all about naming … so let’s play it too.
Mark 2016-01-15 09:53:10 [item 19671#42112]
Slashdot has a system of peer rating that is pretty good. I suppose on a small usage it could get gamed.  With scaling up come new needs. The twitter game I mentioned (yesterday?) with a market evolving for user names if not tied to reality is just one need. pondering
seth 2016-01-15 10:11:03 [item 19671#42118]
new group naming … thinking out loud here … might go something like this:
  • choose whatever flakey or simple group name you want – that conforms to some rules – for example no special characters and no upper case
  • the domain attaches a unique id to that group name
  • the url would be http://fastblogit.com/flakey.123456
  • the 123456 would not appear in thoughts, but would in  the url
  • the person could petition, with a some minimum amount of manifested thinging,  to remove the 123456 from the URL – that is pretty much what FB does now with pages.
there would be a problem with refering to group flakey but might be solved by where it was ambiguous, the link opens a diaambuation page – err i think that is a Wikipedia solution for this prob.
Mark 2016-01-15 10:15:20 [item 19671#42120]
I hope you folks don’t screw up the groups & items I already have. sad
Mark 2016-01-15 10:22:19 [item 19671#42123]
Try explaining how it works to Patty or the next newbie to come along as to how it all works now & in the future & see how big the HUH? pile gets.
 
dA 2016-01-15 10:24:25 [item 19671#42124]
Oh I lay awake for hours in bed every night solely figuring out ways I can screw your stuff up … yea.
 
Mark 2016-01-15 10:29:18 [item 19671#42129]
dA – what a waste. laughing Point is if I have to rewrite a lot of what I already published & links I have given to others now & it becomes upward incompatible then …. (you supply what word I should instead of screw-up).pondering(sarcasm notwithstanding)
seth 2016-01-15 10:35:00 [item 19671#42131]
actually mark i don’t know of a reason for any of your old stuff, links and such, to change at all.   and you can keep doing stuff just exactly as you have in the past.   the only problem might be if you gave out a url to a real flakey room that can’t survive here.  Any item itself goes by its thought number and those will persist. 

so i am really not sure where any of this new identity changes will fuck you up?
dA 2016-01-15 10:44:07 [item 19671#42137]
Add one word to your vocabulary Mark. “Trust”. And specifically, trust yourself and your own ability to create the verse you want to experience. Think about what you don’t want and your sure to get it and I won’t be able to stop it. Think about how awesome the transition can be, and how supportive of your needs and that’s what i will be. Trust … this verse is yours, it’s all about you … as much as you are willing to trust in your own well being and goodness to your self.
Mark 2016-01-15 11:17:15 [item 19671#42144]
Thanks for the agenda nugget! I do know & appreciate trust. I also have the power to withdraw it. yes
dA 2016-01-15 11:20:39 [item 19671#42146]
Nope. You have the power to ignore it, not withdraw it. Not the same.
Mark 2016-01-15 11:23:08 [item 19671#42149]
I trust you really know what I mean outside your agenda nuggets. laughing
seth 2016-01-15 11:32:05 [item 19671#42152]

surprise

this seems to be that infinite negative reflections thingey happening ...eh?  
eh? – somebody’s form of political correctness . enjoy the glow tuit

Mark de LA says
seth 2016-01-15 11:39:26 [item 19671#42158]
and then too group TheGreatWork still works … did i spell it right?
Mark 2016-01-15 11:41:42 [item 19671#42159]
nope! (sorry about the negativity) 
there is no UC & there are spaces between the words e.g. group the great work
seth 2016-01-15 11:43:19 [item 19671#42160]
yes thanks for the correction.   hard to let my fingers remember that kind of stuff. 
Me too! that’s why I like the new groups associated with my authorship.thumbs up
Wonder what it would be like if we had a really freat search algorithm & one could comment on anything in a tagroom without going directly to a group or item.
 

Seth says
adding a comment from a tag room

Holmes says
seth 2016-01-15 12:02:17 [item 19671#42166]


incidentally, i too, love tigger’s new group navigation heartheart
like

Seth says
seth 2016-01-15 12:02:17 [item 19671#42166]


incidentally, i too, love tigger’s new group navigation heartheart
Mark 2016-01-15 12:29:10 [item 19671#42168]
yes The distinction between joining and going to a group might get explained to newbies.
pondering hmmm …

Well all a newbe can do is go to an open group under the “go to a group” sub menu.  Their own personal blog should already be the only,  “ → newbe.dobie”, choice available to “go to”.   They would have to have the password to “join a closed group”.  Maybe that should be shown as “Join a closed group” ?

Mark de LA says
seth 2016-01-15 11:39:26 [item 19671#42158]
and then too group TheGreatWork still works … did i spell it right?
Mark 2016-01-15 11:41:42 [item 19671#42159]
nope! (sorry about the negativity) 
there is no UC & there are spaces between the words e.g. group the great work
seth 2016-01-15 11:43:19 [item 19671#42160]
yes thanks for the correction.   hard to let my fingers remember that kind of stuff. 
Mark 2016-01-15 11:46:27 [item 19671#42161]
Me too! that’s why I like the new groups associated with my authorship.thumbs up
Wonder what it would be like if we had a really great search algorithm & one could comment on anything in a tagroom without going directly to a group or item.
 
Mark 2016-01-15 11:46:58 [item 19671#42162]
 
seth 2016-01-15 11:57:28 [item 19671#42164]
we can comment on anything in a tag room now … the comment below was a case in point.
seth 2016-01-15 11:58:05 [item 19671#42165]
and i can reply to one as well
Mark 2016-01-15 12:30:51 [item 19671#42169]
do tag rooms bring up private stuff?
seth 2016-01-15 12:31:32 [item 19671#42170]
no
dA 2016-01-15 12:45:20 [item 19671#42172]
Except in group Mark. He thinks so much about being messed with, gotta honor that somehow! devil
Mark 2016-01-15 12:52:23 [item 19671#42173]
WOW – such positivity ! laughing might answer the question why, in a positive only universe, would one worry about an outsider not aligning with one’s own material ; or protect it from “foreign thoughts” such as the floogle.me people do. 
dA 2016-01-15 12:55:47 [item 19671#42174]
LOL … pain body hungry?
seth 2016-01-15 13:16:51 [item 19671#42175]
ever since i got my fracture working at russell farm, i have been experiencing chronic pain in my left arm.   but the surprising thing i noticed there is a difference between pain and suffering.   i doubt that one can live a human life and never experience pain … but i am now pretty sure that one can create a human life with no sufferring.  
dA 2016-01-15 13:18:46 [item 19671#42176]
True. BTW … pain body is a Tolle reference. Mark quoted Tolle the other day so I assume he has studied Tolle.
Mark 2016-01-15 13:54:53 [item 19671#42181]
I think of it as the astral body maybe where it interpenetrates the etheric (see. Rudolph Steiner) . I once experimented & had 4 cavities in my teeth filled without novocaine or other anesthetic in order to perceive what exactly was pain.  Turned out for me to be mostly drama – the smell of the teeth drillings, the filling material, the sound of the drill, the whole scenario was all there was. Everything else was the drama I added to it.smug
seth 2016-01-15 13:56:03 [item 19671#42182]
like
dA 2016-01-15 14:09:06 [item 19671#42183]
That’s cool. A Tolle pain body is very different … almost never has anything to do with physical pain at all. Guess you were just quoting to pontify, not to spread your knowledge.
Mark 2016-01-15 14:15:55 [item 19671#42186]
Yeah I looked it up. 

This accumulated pain is a negative energy field that occupies your body and mind. If you look on it as an invisible entity in its own right, you are getting quite close to the truth. It’s the emotional pain-body. It has two modes of being: dormant and active.

Tolle, Eckhart (2009-03-25). The Power of Now (p. 36). New World Library. Kindle Edition. 

Such is congruent somewhat with RS & my dental experience.  Maybe you have a different “meaning for the word pain”, dApondering
dA 2016-01-15 14:21:38 [item 19671#42188]
I have a very different definition for pain body gained by studying his works in depth and experiencing one for myself. That definition has very little to do with it other than being related words. It would not be possible to understand what a pain body is by reading a definition no matter how well thought out it is … any more than it would be possible to understand the experience of having sex by reading a definition of it.
seth 2016-01-15 14:24:44 [item 19671#42189]
could you give us just a little bit more about your “pain body” … espeically to distinguish it from Tolle’s description
Mark 2016-01-15 15:42:46 [item 19671#42193]
Without the woo-woo or maybe just NLP in the Landmark Forum (successor to Werner Erhard’s EST) we went through a 200+ person audience looking for people who had headaches & treated them all at once by a formula of having people define their submodalities size shape color vibration (pulsation) etc & share it with the audience & then tell what it meant to them like “Im’ Hungry or I hate this class or ….” & then whip back to the submodalits & how they changed .  In about 3 or 4 cycles the heaches had lessened or gone completely.  smugthumbs up

Seth says
Mark 2016-01-16 12:38:05 [item 19671#42328]
BTW the tag search includes links to other social media portals & the full search doesn’tnewtuit
dA 2016-01-16 12:39:34 [item 19671#42330]
I don’t know what that means. You want the search to include results from other sites?
i suppose they could when (as and if) we get a search rooms … wouldnt make any sense to try to incorporate that in the live search results.

Mark de LA says
Mark 2016-01-16 12:38:05 [item 19671#42328]
BTW the tag search includes links to other social media portals & the full search doesn’tnewtuit
dA 2016-01-16 12:39:34 [item 19671#42330]
I don’t know what that means. You want the search to include results from other sites?
IDK – just mentioning – you have types of search. Two of them leave rooms around with links to other social media portals & one doesn’t. 

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