Third generation full search is running.

Useful things to narrow your search.
Summary: (covers most cases)
  1. Multiple full words OR together in the search. Any can exist.
  2. Put a + at the beginning of a word to AND (require it) in the search.
  3. Put a * at the end of a word as a wildcard to allow the rest of the word to be anything.
  4. Words require at least 3 characters.

Stop words: (cannot be searched for)
 a about an are as at be by com de en for from how i in is it la of on or that the this to was what when where who will with und the www
Details for those that need even more control:

Most notable one is probably * which can go on the end of a word. But others can help you really narrow down your search if you are hot to find something. Using these would likely be faster than browsing even though you probably don’t like to play in this stuff … but there you go … it works if you can align with it.

The boolean full-text search capability supports the following operators:
  • +

    A leading plus sign indicates that this word must be present in each row that is returned.

  • -

    A leading minus sign indicates that this word must not be present in any of the rows that are returned.

    Note: The - operator acts only to exclude rows that are otherwise matched by other search terms. Thus, a boolean-mode search that contains only terms preceded by- returns an empty result. It does not return all rows except those containing any of the excluded terms.

  • (no operator)

    By default (when neither + nor - is specified) the word is optional, but the rows that contain it are rated higher. This mimics the behavior of MATCH() ... AGAINST()without the IN BOOLEAN MODE modifier.

  • > <

    These two operators are used to change a word's contribution to the relevance value that is assigned to a row. The > operator increases the contribution and the <operator decreases it. See the example following this list.

  • ( )

    Parentheses group words into subexpressions. Parenthesized groups can be nested.

  • ~

    A leading tilde acts as a negation operator, causing the word's contribution to the row's relevance to be negative. This is useful for marking noise words. A row containing such a word is rated lower than others, but is not excluded altogether, as it would be with the - operator.

  • *

    The asterisk serves as the truncation (or wildcard) operator. Unlike the other operators, it should be appended to the word to be affected. Words match if they begin with the word preceding the * operator.

    If a word is specified with the truncation operator, it is not stripped from a boolean query, even if it is too short (as determined from the ft_min_word_len setting) or a stopword. This occurs because the word is not seen as too short or a stopword, but as a prefix that must be present in the document in the form of a word that begins with the prefix. Suppose that ft_min_word_len=4. Then a search for '+word +the*' will likely return fewer rows than a search for '+word +the':

    • The former query remains as is and requires both word and the* (a word starting with the) to be present in the document.

    • The latter query is transformed to +word (requiring only word to be present). the is both too short and a stopword, and either condition is enough to cause it to be ignored.

  • "

    A phrase that is enclosed within double quote (") characters matches only rows that contain the phrase literally, as it was typed. The full-text engine splits the phrase into words and performs a search in the FULLTEXT index for the words. Nonword characters need not be matched exactly: Phrase searching requires only that matches contain exactly the same words as the phrase and in the same order. For example, "test phrase" matches "test, phrase".

    If the phrase contains no words that are in the index, the result is empty. For example, if all words are either stopwords or shorter than the minimum length of indexed words, the result is empty.

The following examples demonstrate some search strings that use boolean full-text operators:

  • 'apple banana'

    Find rows that contain at least one of the two words.

  • '+apple +juice'

    Find rows that contain both words.

  • '+apple macintosh'

    Find rows that contain the word apple, but rank rows higher if they also contain macintosh.

  • '+apple -macintosh'

    Find rows that contain the word apple but not macintosh.

  • '+apple ~macintosh'

    Find rows that contain the word apple, but if the row also contains the word macintosh, rate it lower than if row does not. This is softer than a search for '+apple -macintosh', for which the presence of macintosh causes the row not to be returned at all.

  • '+apple +(>turnover <strudel)'

    Find rows that contain the words apple and turnover, or apple and strudel (in any order), but rank apple turnover higher than apple strudel.

  • 'apple*'

    Find rows that contain words such as apple, apples, applesauce, or applet.

  • '"some words"'

    Find rows that contain the exact phrase some words (for example, rows that contain some words of wisdom but not some noise words). Note that the "characters that enclose the phrase are operator characters that delimit the phrase. They are not the quotation marks that enclose the search string itself.

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Comments


Holmes says
It’s pretty flippin fast though. I was surprised how fast. I did have to convert the MyASM tables to INNODB, which is a faster format and fully supports natural language. So that’s good for speed everywhere.

Holmes says
Updated the full search to include title … makes more sense in what you find this way.

Holmes says
seth 2016-01-15 15:27:39 [item 19676#42190]
Wow … great so far yes.

What is the <no title> thingies which go nowhere … private items?
 
dA 2016-01-15 15:29:19 [item 19676#42191]
Yea. Making a search that eliminates private items is hairy. This among other things is why I call this “first generation search”.
Mark 2016-01-16 09:54:06 [item 19676#42274]
does the current one attempt to do this?
On thoughts yes, it does it, no exceptions. On comments it may do it … kind of like the news here for the last 10 years. Comments on private posts were sometimes included. I have not rewritten the search query to outer join the comments and thought tables. I want to finish tweaking it before I go that extra and complex step.

Holmes says
BTW … this is a natural language search. It is not a hard coded search. It considers language and context during the search. Sometimes very slight changes to your search term can locate very different results. The results are ordered first by relevance score, then by date.

Holmes says
seth 2016-01-16 10:10:22 [item 19676#42284]
bugBug:  if i type “email” as the only argument, then i would expect that [title email mailing procedure for speaktomecatalog] would be be in the results.  it is not.
It probably is, but lower than the first 10 by relevant match. In this “first generation search” I am only displaying the top 10 results. You can still find what you want by using more words, especially with a + on the front of the word to make sure it is included. In a 2nd generation search I will likely include more results, make them scrollable, and perhaps even filterable.

This is not a bug. Relevance is part of a natural language search.

Holmes says
Mark 2016-01-16 09:52:31 [item 19676#42273]
What is searched? The entire db? just the group one is in? I ran the same query more than once because once I selected to follow a result the search results disappeared & got different results & some weirdness including no results.
dA 2016-01-16 09:54:14 [item 19676#42275]
All non-private posts outside the current group and all comments are searched.
Mark 2016-01-16 09:56:13 [item 19676#42276]
weird – what if I am looking for something in my group I forgot to tag?
dA 2016-01-16 09:59:49 [item 19676#42279]
It says “all private posts”. That is the context for statement. It does not say “all posts”.
Mark 2016-01-16 10:13:16 [item 19676#42285]
Just to parse the meaning more clearly for my morning brain then:
  • Your search searches the entire db except private posts, eh?
  • Does that include closed groups?
Yes. All non-private thoughts not in the current group you are in. That would be non-private thoughts in other closed groups too. If a thought can be seen by you as the user you are and if it is private in group you are currently in, as known by the group box on your menu, then they will be included in the search.

Holmes says
Mark 2016-01-16 10:34:54 [item 19676#42290]
I got this error trying to search for some part of the old occult way of identifying where the sun & moon are on the date in question on an item (K-L,Y-N) … means Sun in Capricorn , Moon in Pisces. To search for all Capricorn I would search using K-L or (K-L or (K-L,Y etc.  got this bug instead on one of those combinations. BTW I was in group choy so I should have been able to see it.

 
dA 2016-01-16 10:37:15 [item 19676#42291]
Well the bug is that it shouldn’t have showed you that error. But the search is correct. You included search term modifiers without quoting them. It’s in the search page doc. If you want to search for that sequence exactly, you need to quote it. I will fix that the error can come back and be visible.
Mark 2016-01-16 10:42:20 [item 19676#42293]
So how should the entry look to select K-L within an item which has (K-L,Y-N) ? --- the N is wild.
Mark 2016-01-16 10:43:23 [item 19676#42294]
 
dA 2016-01-16 10:49:11 [item 19676#42295]
Not sure. You may not be able to because this is a natural language search and as such is word based, not character based. But there may be a way using parentheses and the and such. You seem to like details so you may enjoy figuring it out. I have no interest. I provided the doc on how to use natural language search as it has been designed in MYSQL. You are welcome to dive into it deeper. I am finding that all the things I want are easy to find using just words + and * as appropriate.

If someone wants a literal character search, they are welcome to make a bid for it in the Nickel Bank. I added the natural language search for free. That’s my contribution.
Mark 2016-01-16 10:55:17 [item 19676#42297]
How do you know what a word is or just any 3 characters ?
Mark 2016-01-16 10:55:53 [item 19676#42298]
 
Looks rather complex in the deep doc. There are not only various characters that break words, but there is the idea of stop words that break a word’s relevance in a context. I really don’t know or care. This is a straight forward implementation of the MySQL natural language search in binary mode. You are welcome to look that up if you want to know any more about it.

Seth says
dA 2016-01-16 10:30:50 [item 19676#42289]
An easy search to find your thought Seth is email +speak*

But in this case the title search is even faster because it is an AND match sorted by date. Just the word email works fine and it’s even at the top of the list.

The full search is for deep finding things in title, content, and comments. If you are just quick finding things that are well tagged or titled, the tag or title search may be more appropriate. That’s why there are all of them.
seth 2016-01-16 10:52:33 [item 19676#42296]
yeah i could get it to come up by dinking with the search argument.  i am, after all, a search freak.   my point is that it came up instantly with newsletters smug … and will next time i have to send one out even if it is a couple of months from now.
dA 2016-01-16 10:58:07 [item 19676#42299]
You don’t have to sell me on that one. That’s using tags where I personally (← note I used your wallaby) think they are very useful … to create systems. It’s the idea that everything needs a tag and that tags make thinking easier that I don’t buy into for my thinking system. That’s just extra work and clutter and then I have to devote a lot of thought and memory space to remembering and organizing tags in my head. Everything is already tagged naturally in my memory with something, some word or phrase, I can remember and search for with the natural language search … and then I don’t have to look for it in a big tag room, just click on it in the search results and go to it.
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Seth says
dA 2016-01-16 10:30:50 [item 19676#42289]
An easy search to find your thought Seth is email +speak*

But in this case the title search is even faster because it is an AND match sorted by date. Just the word email works fine and it’s even at the top of the list.

The full search is for deep finding things in title, content, and comments. If you are just quick finding things that are well tagged or titled, the tag or title search may be more appropriate. That’s why there are all of them.
seth 2016-01-16 10:52:33 [item 19676#42296]
yeah i could get it to come up by dinking with the search argument.  i am, after all, a search freak.   my point is that it came up instantly with newsletters smug … and will next time i have to send one out even if it is a couple of months from now.
dA 2016-01-16 10:58:07 [item 19676#42299]
You don’t have to sell me on that one. That’s using tags where I personally (← note I used your wallaby) think they are very useful … to create systems. It’s the idea that everything needs a tag and that tags make thinking easier that I don’t buy into for my thinking system. That’s just extra work and clutter and then I have to devote a lot of thought and memory space to remembering and organizing tags in my head. Everything is already tagged naturally in my memory with something, some word or phrase, I can remember and search for with the natural language search … and then I don’t have to look for it in a big tag room, just click on it in the search results and go to it.
Mark 2016-01-16 11:03:52 [item 19676#42304]
Wow! I don’t have to organize tags in my head – I just have a sense for language. It is the same one I invoke when I need to clothe something in language. pondering
dA 2016-01-16 11:07:38 [item 19676#42305]
Is that supposed to be one of your invitations into an RWG? We both know you head and my head work very differently. Why would you say this if not as bait?
Mark 2016-01-16 11:15:41 [item 19676#42307]
I didn’t know there might be aliens reading this.  The ability to hang out in pre-verbal consciousness & move to verbal consciousness is one of those capabilities we have on this planet in this universe. Sorry 
seth 2016-01-16 11:32:35 [item 19676#42308]
anyway i see what mark is saying … i have pretty much the same thing myself.   i do not create a structure in my head of these tags … no not at all.  rather i am just utilizing the english language structure that has already developed in my head and in the culture at large.  that is why i don’t code my tags … rather i try to just use english words … having the truest association that i can think of at the moment with the thought.  and it fucking works.   mark’s term … “a sense for language” … is a perfect description of what is happening … and i found it is worth the effort.  

We do seems to be beating this value of tagging to death.   When sombody gets all righteous about how they don’t use tags here … this is the result they will get.   Search is great too.   Our memory is getting its shit together smug
dA 2016-01-16 11:39:12 [item 19676#42309]
I have tried it and that way of doing it does not work for me. It is because what I can think of to tag it with at tagging time is one thing because that is the context my head is in at that moment. But what I remember about it later, when my head is in a different context, is not very often the same thing at all. Hence I either have to purposely remember and systemize the tags in my head, or … what works for me here now, and everywhere on the internet too, is simply allowing what I rememberer later to be the tag and search for it. That works so well and skips all the tagging steps and work for me. For everyday stuff and comments of course. As I said, I am all for using tags as a specific system to organize something, like I do for bugs.
great yes … me, i do both.   it’s not at all surprising that we each find different ways of doing things. 

Seth says
Mark 2016-01-16 11:46:16 [item 19676#42310]
Direct navigation through a tag is wonderful too.  Maybe when fbi search gets up to phase 3 or so will be more useful.   The other day I forgot a phrase “petty tyrant” to characterize lower level managers who take themselves too seriously & become arrogant & typed in a sentence about the thought to Google search box & got the result without using either word. Was an interesting experience . Go Googlethumbs upcool
dA 2016-01-16 11:54:28 [item 19676#42314]
See, now improving on the natural language search is much more interesting to me than making the search more digital, as you were talking about before. Google does spell correction then uses a little fuzzy AI to decide when to throw in some synonyms, and then filters the results according to most popular with others and most relevant to what you have clicked on before. All of those things are possible to do here with the NLS as the core.
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Seth says
Mark 2016-01-16 11:46:16 [item 19676#42310]
Direct navigation through a tag is wonderful too.  Maybe when fbi search gets up to phase 3 or so will be more useful.   The other day I forgot a phrase “petty tyrant” to characterize lower level managers who take themselves too seriously & become arrogant & typed in a sentence about the thought to Google search box & got the result without using either word. Was an interesting experience . Go Googlethumbs upcool
seth 2016-01-16 11:52:43 [item 19676#42312]
i also think the search should yield a room … all highlighted … if one presses return after typing an argument… instead of cliking on a result in the live search area.  that was actually what i had expected.  there is just something frigging useful about a room of search results … i wonder if that is why search engines started doing it from the start.
Mark 2016-01-16 11:54:26 [item 19676#42313]
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dA 2016-01-16 12:02:16 [item 19676#42316]
I agree. But at the moment, rooms are not exiting to build. Made out of PHP yuck code. The stuff I talked about for being able to create alternate feeds could also be applied to creating rooms. Then a room could be a JSON definition instead of hard coded PHP. Right now, generation one search is working very nicely and doing things that were impossible to do yesterday morning. I’m happy.
like yes it is Great heart.

Of course you’re going to expect what i am going to ask for next … search physical happen  … which would yields a room similar to  physical, spiritual smug … or course the latter can be highlighted … to former not … which is a big advantage for search. 

Seth says
Mark 2016-01-16 12:08:10 [item 19676#42318]
I am missing the part where we could just use a Google site search which provides it’s own room & has a reasonable search algorithm. pondering
dA 2016-01-16 12:11:44 [item 19676#42320]
NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING PRACTICAL. This would have been the 3rd time I would have explained why to you, but I’m not. You can look it up.
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Holmes says
Mark 2016-01-16 12:08:10 [item 19676#42318]
I am missing the part where we could just use a Google site search which provides it’s own room & has a reasonable search algorithm. pondering
seth 2016-01-16 12:10:51 [item 19676#42319]
didn’t we beat that one to death already mark.  maybe search for our previous discussions regarding using google search.
Mark 2016-01-16 12:19:37 [item 19676#42321]
Well whatever gobble-de-gook explained it the fact remains it works for other websites quite nicely & even the Steiner eLib. works & uses one which is better than their “in house” . pondering
Is Steiner eLib a dynamic site with real time content and comment generation or a static site that serves pre-edited content? Do you see FB or any other fully dynamic site using google search? Think about it. It’s not rocket science.

Mark de LA says
Mark 2016-01-16 12:08:10 [item 19676#42318]
I am missing the part where we could just use a Google site search which provides it’s own room & has a reasonable search algorithm. pondering
seth 2016-01-16 12:10:51 [item 19676#42319]
didn’t we beat that one to death already mark.  maybe search for our previous discussions regarding using google search.
Mark 2016-01-16 12:19:37 [item 19676#42321]
Well whatever gobble-de-gook explained it the fact remains it works for other websites quite nicely & even the Steiner eLib. works & uses one which is better than their “in house” . pondering
seth 2016-01-16 12:22:27 [item 19676#42324]
not going to happen, mark … and for good reason.  maybe accept that and move on. 
seth 2016-01-16 12:24:44 [item 19676#42325]
incidentally nothing is preventing people from searching google for stuff here … noting for us to do in that regard … except perhaps to contrive that google will search the things at our site that are perminant … er, like the permalinks.
Mark 2016-01-16 12:30:40 [item 19676#42326]
Yep, let real customers feedback prevail. Darwin wil prevail as well! laughing
seth 2016-01-16 12:35:32 [item 19676#42327]
hmmm … using the little supress this bs gadget does not suppress it from the news … so i have to continue seeing it anyway.
dA 2016-01-16 12:38:18 [item 19676#42329]
Nope. It does not.
or … (the video)
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Seth says
dA 2016-01-16 12:43:58 [item 19676#42334]
The two sections on the full search results, title and comments, now contain up to 30 results if available and are scrollable. On a Mac, this may not be obvious. Mac hides scroll bars unless they are being used. It’s a common issue for developers and I have been looking for a solution but other people have not found a good one yet. Those of you on Mac’s just know that you can scroll those areas to see more results if they are there.
seth 2016-01-16 12:50:26 [item 19676#42335]
cool kewl … now i am seeing results there that i had expected … before i just thought the search didnt find them.   my test was search +ego which i expected would pull up  my [title what is ego] right on top, now it is there … before it was not smug.   window seemed a bit horizontally unstable … wiggeled around … but on Airiel i saw the scroll bars nicely.
dA 2016-01-16 12:54:16 [item 19676#42336]
Yes. A search room would be better, just not a quick and easy thing to do. This is about the best I can do and still make the search usable on mobile devices.
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Holmes says
seth 2016-01-16 13:39:33 [item 19676#42340]
hmmm … do you search deleted comments?   I was trying to find where i mentioned a “accept it and move on” button somwhere off of this thought … it finds this url http://www.fastblogit.com/item/19676#42327 but no such string exists there.  then too the result of clicking on that is bizzare … highlights ever single one of those words in the whole item. 
dA 2016-01-16 13:43:06 [item 19676#42341]
Um, not deleted comments. But unfortunatly there are still quite a few comment flotsam in the database. My flotsam eliminator never worked. It found flotsam, and it can delete flotsam, but not in the same query at the same time, there was an error, so it does nothing. I never fixed it.
seth 2016-01-16 13:48:33 [item 19676#42342]
well thing is i mentioned the string “accept it and move on” in a previous thread .. and yet now can not find it with a search … so i am assuming that sombody deleted it … yet the item came up with that url given above.  of course now it is finding this thread.  no biggie though. 
I’ll fix the flotsamator someday. It has to be broken out into a find query and a delete loop on the results.

Mark de LA says
dA 2016-01-17 19:32:48 [item 19676#42519]
Say, do you guys understand how to get to a search room without using a search tag? It was in search Bilbo Baggins, but I was not sure if you all discovered it?
seth 2016-01-17 19:33:50 [item 19676#42520]
well i didn’t yet
seth 2016-01-17 19:34:38 [item 19676#42521]
ok got it … just hit return thumbs up
dA 2016-01-17 19:35:09 [item 19676#42523]
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Nice! thumbs up

Seth says
dA 2016-01-17 19:47:21 [item 19676#42529]
BTW. You can now toggle search rooms to the current group, just like tag rooms. Works real slick. Like now it is easy to see that there are 38 uses of the word “rwg” in comments, and 36 of them are in group mark.
seth 2016-01-17 19:53:23 [item 19676#42531]
omg … now that is a discovery laughing
seth 2016-01-17 20:00:17 [item 19676#42532]
but not really … go to group seth … search for rwg … there are almost as many references in comments. 

also i noticed that i cannot go to group mark via the “go to group” menue.   i realize why … only my own groups show there and open groups.  i guess that is the way it should be … i can get there via a post in the river or a comment … or directly on the browser address bar.  its just that i wanted to do it and could not.
dA 2016-01-17 20:03:45 [item 19676#42533]
I fixed that the other day. I have been going to group mark by using go to group and simply typing mark in directly and hitting return. You should be able to do that with any group even if it is not in the list. Thus you have to know the name of a closed group.
seth 2016-01-17 20:37:48 [item 19676#42541]
oh okay … learn something every day yes
dA 2016-01-17 21:20:23 [item 19676#42556]
Well I only hope you are learning more than one new thing every day because there are probably 7 to 10 new things every day here and I probably only announce about a third of them.
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Seth says
nathan 2016-01-18 05:41:01 [item 19676#42569]
You can now sort search room results by recent date on top instead of highest rank on top. This can be desirable when you are searching for something that was written recently.
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Seth says
seth 2016-01-18 07:12:05 [item 19676#42574]
a little bug if you just type in the single word “search” in the (*) box and press return, you end up with a blank results page.
dA 2016-01-18 07:24:12 [item 19676#42578]
Oh, okay. Well that’s your silly URL parser! It hairs down unnecessarily. I would love to have a moment to replace it with a proper regex parser that could be more easily controlled. But alas, I’ll see if I can hack it to fix this.
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Mark de LA says
seth 2016-01-18 07:10:37 [item 19676#42573]
i’m thinking that we don’t need title search anymoire … is it not included in the top portion of natural language search?  Does that not search title and about title as well as the body of the thought?
dA 2016-01-18 07:17:18 [item 19676#42576]
It does search the title but it returns different results. The title search is an ANDING of all the keywords supplied sorted in date order and is a direct match, not a natural language word match. You could come close to that by using something like “+work* +at +micro*” to look for “work at microsoft” but it would be terser to write and still would not find things inside words from the front of the word. The title search also only searches the title, not the body too. The full search results include titles with a match in the body.

In other words, the title search is much more versatile and pre set up for ideal title only searching. The full search is more ideal for full text searching. Try a few, you will see the difference.
seth 2016-01-18 07:25:56 [item 19676#42580]
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Mark 2016-01-18 07:31:41 [item 19676#42584]
I wonder how many customers will speak laughingregexpondering – Hopefully it is just behind the code.
dA 2016-01-18 07:35:37 [item 19676#42585]
Where in all of anything I have done have you seen me make something that wasn’t super easy for users no matter how blond? Mismatching fuck-off comments are not welcome here. Get real or stay out. <++ LOA training camp sayings no doubt! thumbs down
Mark 2016-01-18 07:41:33 [item 19676#42586]
 
dA 2016-01-18 07:50:19 [item 19676#42588]
Fuck you Mark and the horse’s ass you have your head in. Just stay out of here till you can be human.
Thanks dA – more of your LOA positivity training on display. thumbs up

Seth says
seth 2016-01-18 07:10:37 [item 19676#42573]
i’m thinking that we don’t need title search anymoire … is it not included in the top portion of natural language search?  Does that not search title and about title as well as the body of the thought?
dA 2016-01-18 07:17:18 [item 19676#42576]
It does search the title but it returns different results. The title search is an ANDING of all the keywords supplied sorted in date order and is a direct match, not a natural language word match. You could come close to that by using something like “+work* +at +micro*” to look for “work at microsoft” but it would be terser to write and still would not find things inside words from the front of the word. The title search also only searches the title, not the body too. The full search results include titles with a match in the body.

In other words, the title search is much more versatile and pre set up for ideal title only searching. The full search is more ideal for full text searching. Try a few, you will see the difference.
seth 2016-01-18 07:25:56 [item 19676#42580]
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Mark 2016-01-18 07:31:41 [item 19676#42584]
I wonder how many customers will speak laughingregexpondering – Hopefully it is just behind the code.
dA 2016-01-18 07:35:37 [item 19676#42585]
Where in all of anything I have done have you seen me make something that wasn’t super easy for users no matter how blond? Mismatching fuck-off comments are not welcome here. Get real or stay out.
seth 2016-01-18 07:50:37 [item 19676#42589]
Come on now guys, we don’t need all this random hostility flying around … doesn’t feel good.   dA, you’re not going to change Mark’s behavior … trust me, i know after interacting here for a long time.  And Mark, come on now, constructive interaction is really all that will help us here.  We have a space here where we can all be ourselves and know that we are accepted.
dA 2016-01-18 07:54:04 [item 19676#42591]
No Seth. Your baby sitting Mark’s 2 year old games are what doesn’t work. He need to run into a wall he can’t just bowl over with his own mass. He will either get his head out of his ass and wise up, or he will leave on his own. Trust me.
seth 2016-01-18 07:58:15 [item 19676#42592]
I don’t think that presuming you are in a parental relationship will work here.  That’s now the way things work between mature independent humans.
Mark 2016-01-18 07:58:59 [item 19676#42593]
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dA 2016-01-18 08:05:14 [item 19676#42596]
Well in my history browsing here at FBI I have seen many supposedly mature patterns that did not work with Mark. He just keeps going until the other gives up or he smothers them with crap. He doesn’t even have an awareness of what it is like to be on this end of his shit. Now, he is learning, weather he accepts a particular role or not is not the idea. The idea is he is getting to see what it feels like to look in the mirror and see what it is like to be in front of him, for us.
Mark 2016-01-18 08:06:20 [item 19676#42597]
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okay … so maybe being aware how what we we say feels  from the other side is something that we all can work on.  

Seth says
seth 2016-01-18 07:10:37 [item 19676#42573]
i’m thinking that we don’t need title search anymoire … is it not included in the top portion of natural language search?  Does that not search title and about title as well as the body of the thought?
dA 2016-01-18 07:17:18 [item 19676#42576]
It does search the title but it returns different results. The title search is an ANDING of all the keywords supplied sorted in date order and is a direct match, not a natural language word match. You could come close to that by using something like “+work* +at +micro*” to look for “work at microsoft” but it would be terser to write and still would not find things inside words from the front of the word. The title search also only searches the title, not the body too. The full search results include titles with a match in the body.

In other words, the title search is much more versatile and pre set up for ideal title only searching. The full search is more ideal for full text searching. Try a few, you will see the difference.
seth 2016-01-18 07:25:56 [item 19676#42580]
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Mark 2016-01-18 07:31:41 [item 19676#42584]
I wonder how many customers will speak laughingregexpondering – Hopefully it is just behind the code.
dA 2016-01-18 07:35:37 [item 19676#42585]
Where in all of anything I have done have you seen me make something that wasn’t super easy for users no matter how blond? Mismatching fuck-off comments are not welcome here. Get real or stay out. <++ LOA training camp sayings no doubt! thumbs down
Mark 2016-01-18 07:41:33 [item 19676#42586]
 
Mark 2016-01-18 07:50:19 [item 19676#42587]
BTW, was just saying that most normal people don’t like regex even though it is effective for programmers. There is a regex-like Google search portal as well.  Me,I would like a tag search where I can -AND- 2 tags is that possible yet?
seth 2016-01-18 08:02:58 [item 19676#42595]
i dont know mark … i kind of understand what nathan was saying … it probably is the best solution for this bug … that “normal people don’t like regex” is really irrelivant … normal people won’t be execuiting the commands, the computer will.   so what did your comment actually mean?  what did it do? 
Mark 2016-01-18 08:11:48 [item 19676#42598]
I simply did not want to see a regex for the customer to use.  Even google’s is not that easy to follow. Now that I know he won’t (presumably) do that I am fine. What it did is only in dA’s mind & yours. kiss the insults seem to be coming from one direction. Do a search & see if I told anyone to fuck off since the beginning of fbi2, please 
you got it … we don’t want to  subject normal people to regrex.   i think we all want to evolve into a natural language interaction with the computer.   at every step of the game we do just the best that we can with where we are.  

Mark de LA says
seth 2016-01-18 07:10:37 [item 19676#42573]
i’m thinking that we don’t need title search anymoire … is it not included in the top portion of natural language search?  Does that not search title and about title as well as the body of the thought?
dA 2016-01-18 07:17:18 [item 19676#42576]
It does search the title but it returns different results. The title search is an ANDING of all the keywords supplied sorted in date order and is a direct match, not a natural language word match. You could come close to that by using something like “+work* +at +micro*” to look for “work at microsoft” but it would be terser to write and still would not find things inside words from the front of the word. The title search also only searches the title, not the body too. The full search results include titles with a match in the body.

In other words, the title search is much more versatile and pre set up for ideal title only searching. The full search is more ideal for full text searching. Try a few, you will see the difference.
seth 2016-01-18 07:25:56 [item 19676#42580]
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Mark 2016-01-18 07:31:41 [item 19676#42584]
I wonder how many customers will speak laughingregexpondering – Hopefully it is just behind the code.
dA 2016-01-18 07:35:37 [item 19676#42585]
Where in all of anything I have done have you seen me make something that wasn’t super easy for users no matter how blond? Mismatching fuck-off comments are not welcome here. Get real or stay out. <++ LOA training camp sayings no doubt! thumbs down
Mark 2016-01-18 07:41:33 [item 19676#42586]
 
Mark 2016-01-18 07:50:19 [item 19676#42587]
BTW, was just saying that most normal people don’t like regex even though it is effective for programmers. There is a regex-like Google search portal as well.  Me,I would like a tag search where I can -AND- 2 tags is that possible yet?
seth 2016-01-18 08:02:58 [item 19676#42595]
i dont know mark … i kind of understand what nathan was saying … it probably is the best solution for this bug … that “normal people don’t like regex” is really irrelivant … normal people won’t be execuiting the commands, the computer will.   so what did your comment actually mean?  what did it do? 
Mark 2016-01-18 08:11:48 [item 19676#42598]
I simply did not want to see a regex for the customer to use.  Even google’s is not that easy to follow. Now that I know he won’t (presumably) do that I am fine. What it did is only in dA’s mind & yours. kiss the insults seem to be coming from one direction. Do a search & see if I told anyone to fuck off since the beginning of fbi2, please 
dA 2016-01-18 08:20:38 [item 19676#42601]
It would be far better if you did tell people to fuck off than bait them into arguments and rwg play with you, the way you do. You fish for it with people until you get it. Then you just keep going until you have drained all their energy. You can speak and request without hidden implications and craftily worded challenges. You can be directly honest and vulnerable, like everyone else.
seth 2016-01-18 08:22:43 [item 19676#42602]
do a search and see how often i have told mark to fuck off laugh … also see follow it up and see how often it actually helped.  … hmmm … now that is going to be an interesting search argument to write.
Mark 2016-01-18 08:27:38 [item 19676#42603]
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seth 2016-01-18 08:30:01 [item 19676#42604]
”fuck off you horshit piss mire, hypocrite ... dishonest inauthentic asshole !” … comes rapidly to mind wink
seth 2016-01-18 08:35:48 [item 19676#42605]
thing about me is i am ultimately tired of mark’s incessant rwg sensitivity.   but he frequently hides his goodies behiind it.   so i ignore the rwg, and select out the goodies to respond to.   i do the same with nathan’s omnipotence.  i expect that you all can scarcely tolerate my bozometry.  quite a salad we got going here, eh?
Mark 2016-01-18 08:42:07 [item 19676#42606]
looks like Bozo started the blogging on a lower plane, eh? Hey, sensitivity? laughing I can do it with the best! Thingy is I thought given [my: item 4636] I had hoped for better; especially with fbi2 & maybe 3. crying
seth 2016-01-18 08:45:54 [item 19676#42608]
your Blogging on a Higher Plane was actually a inspiration … too bad it degenerated into rwg … i think you privitized it then.   let’s not give up on it.   
not private! thumbs up

Holmes says
Mark 2016-01-18 09:49:14 [item 19676#42634]
I searched generally for hex #24 line 4 & about all the other hexes came out but #24 which does exist in group choy . While most of the items are private, they came out in the search from their titles anyway. 14642 should have satisfied. 
Mark 2016-01-19 07:36:46 [item 19676#42837]
bug try the hex 24 or the [title Hex #44] or a general search for Hex #44 – Line 5
it can’t be the privacy thing because the search returns many other private hexes.  Furthermore if I look for exactly  (there are 2 – items 14645 and 13272) – counts are off as well. Sometimes I think it is returning everything BUT Hex #44 … it is obvious that you search titles because you return them.  When I search titles for Hex #44 I get a group title does not exist message.  
pondering
I really have no idea what you are talking about. You seem to be talking about tag searches and title searches all at the same time and I don’t have any clue what to look at. Set up an exact case with detailed instructions I can reproduce without being Mark and I will see what’s up.

Seth says
dA 2016-01-19 20:20:19 [item 19676#43040]
Checked out the search room lately? Now has site wide integrated triplex results with fully synchronized paging and result totals.
yeas … i saw the paging … went way back in acnient history and commented on one of winnie’s items.  yes

Holmes says
seth 2016-01-19 20:43:24 [item 19676#43046]
this edit add comment window popped up after 30 seconds in  Chrome … then did not show on the site untill after 6 seconds … and this edit after 6 seconds after flashing a blank screen … but stangely enough the edit has already been show on the page

so now it is still waiting almost a minute for the edit screen to pop up.  it is getting a bit tedious to use.
Yep. It’s the bot hour. I usually have to do other things during this hour.

Holmes says
seth 2016-01-19 20:36:34 [item 19676#43043]
this edit add comment window popped up after 30 seconds in  Chrome … then did not show on the site untill after 6 seconds … and this edit after 6 seconds after flashing a blank screen … but stangely enough the edit has already been show on the page
dA 2016-01-19 20:42:09 [item 19676#43045]
Yep. It’s within 30 minutes of midnight (here). That is the usual time for search bot denial of service attacks.
seth 2016-01-19 20:44:54 [item 19676#43048]
not sure about that … been happening more or less all day
Well I am experiencing it too right now … and that is totally normal for this time. I can almost set my clock by noticing when it starts happening.

Holmes says
dA 2016-01-23 20:56:02 [item 19676#43481]
BTW [@ seth], did you find your chat bubbles yet? pondering
seth 2016-01-23 20:56:55 [item 19676#43482]
not yet
Well, keep looking I guess. I just added a gazillion more. They are everywhere now except the news.

Holmes says
Mark 2016-01-23 20:27:24 [item 19676#43475]
kewl green background thumbs up lets see if it looks good next to red.
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dA 2016-01-23 20:46:32 [item 19676#43477]
Thank you.
I don’t consider “seeing if it looks good next to read” a useful way to proceed. Excitement is much more reliable in choosing what will satisfy people than technical statistics.
seth 2016-01-23 20:52:26 [item 19676#43478]
huh? what are you guys talking about?
dA 2016-01-23 20:54:35 [item 19676#43479]
LOL … just look around for a while. rose
seth 2016-01-23 20:55:50 [item 19676#43480]
looks like group rooms are not on a kind of brown background.
dA 2016-01-23 20:57:06 [item 19676#43483]
It’s not brown at all. It’s a vivid spring grass green.
seth 2016-01-23 20:58:59 [item 19676#43484]
yes

well i never was a good expert on that … people have been asking me if grass is green or brown all my life … now i tell them anything they want to hear … sure it’s green … now i don’t worry about it getting brown laugh
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Holmes says
Mark 2016-01-24 00:12:44 [item 19676#43489]
Sorry the word should have been red not read. (couldn’t figure out to address the appropriate comment in the nest so I copied it)
 : dA 2016-01-23 20:46:32 [item 19676#43477]
Thank you. 
I don’t consider “seeing if it looks good next to read” a useful way to proceed. Excitement is much more reliable in choosing what will satisfy people than technical statistics. 
just playing with Seth since he is somewhat red-green color blind. 
The coloring was a surprise change. Cant’s yet figure out what it codes – domains? groups?  is it the final coloring or just an optional one? etc.  Sometimes I miss the turquoise blue.


 
Well the color scheme is the same as it has always been and Seth documented years ago. Blue for river and public, and green for group and individual. My design consultants highly suggested more contrast between the thoughts and the background. Also, the gradient backgrounds did not match the rest of our new metro styling theme … from an artistic standpoint they clashed … like mixing plaid and stripes. So this is the first try at being better dressed than a geek. It may evolve yet.

Mark de LA says
Intersting term “metro style” – maybe less artistic but to the point.  I liked more the coloring  of blues & greens, aquamarine blue & green,  of Hawaii & the tropic seas.  Kewl change anyway. thumbs up  The news & the river are the most confusing right now.  Will elaborate later after trying to pin them down.

Seth says
seth 2016-01-24 09:21:55 [item 19676#43505]
people will know where they are or not just as they do.  the more anchors we can give them the better.  
dA 2016-01-24 09:24:32 [item 19676#43506]
Yes, as I was saying, subliminal stuff is great design … as long as it is not the primary indicator.
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Mark de LA says
Mark 2016-01-24 09:19:21 [item 19676#43504]
different shade of a color – different anchor – specifics, eh?
dA 2016-01-24 10:09:12 [item 19676#43512]
Yes, very … when you are in the flow of the communication.

When I talk to you about specifics, it is about asking you to get in the flow … and for debugging, so I can reproduce what you are seeing … which is a particular kind of flow. Communication is about vibing, not words.
Was just talking about anchors which are specific – colors, neck squeeze, touch …… so far on bugs we are doing reasonably well, imho       .      

Mark de LA says
seth 2016-01-24 07:56:14 [item 19676#43493]
i think new color scheme is a definite imporvement.  we might want to review it in terms of all rooms … group, group tag, river tag, search, news.  shold the scheme tell us wherevver we are what the scope of the room is?
Mark 2016-01-24 07:58:55 [item 19676#43494]
yes good idea but not too many changes in color. I think you want the thinking blogger to be conscious of where he is by all means color & so forth the indicator at the top of the page.
dA 2016-01-24 08:07:00 [item 19676#43495]
I am quite sure the background color should not be used as a prime indicator. People just don’t pay attention to things like background color. It is just scenery to most people and should be styled to enhance the presentation rather than indicate logic. If you logically style things it will be to subtly influence people through their unconscious processes, which is often part of a good design, but not a way for people to directly know things.

Simple case in point is that Mark was not aware that “green” means one thing and “blue” another even though you have that in your FAQ … or at least he totally ignored that in the moment he wrote the above.  
Mark 2016-01-24 08:11:50 [item 19676#43496]
Yep was aware, of the scheme but not that pea greenyes
dA 2016-01-24 08:51:31 [item 19676#43497]
Yep. That’s pretty much what I knew you would figure out to say.
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Si says
Couldn’t find much on 3 laws using search today. Discovered a flaw that has been there for quite a while, possibly sometime in February. Search was not detecting our ability to see private thoughts correctly due the the switchover from group names to the more accurate group id’s. As a result, all private thoughts were being ignored which is 99% of all thoughts in group fbi even though we can all see them.

Search is now back on track correctly identifying your ability to see private thoughts.  (and now produces many results related to the search laws of thinking domains)

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