Changed silent to draft

Draft mode makes more sense and allows it to be used for other things like showing additional markup and editing buttons that are not seen in published documents. It basically takes the document out of syndication until draft mode is cleared.

I am considering the republish checkbox will also clear draft mode.
What do you think?


  1. draft
  2. silent
  3. hashtags


Seth says
nathan 2016-02-01 06:31:55 [item 19820#44098]
Draft’s are still at this time viewable by directly navigating to them or seeing them in the group room etc. Just not syndicated on the domain or the web.
not sure i like that.   primarily because it is not what people expect for a thing called a “draft”.   lots of time i like to write enough in a thought before it appears to anybody but me.    to do that here i must make the thought private.  so we kind of have “private” and “draft” fighting for the same feature.  just thinking out loud.

Holmes says
seth 2016-02-01 06:32:05 [item 19820#44099]
So we can …
  • write (or edit) a draft (draft is not shown in any room)
  • publish – goes to the top of the room
  • republish – goes to the top of the room
  • edit – stays in the room where it is
Seems like a new thought would default to draft to draft … until publish is checked.   Maybe a radio button down near the “Save changes” button in 3 states:  draft, publish, republish.

Incidentally i think a new sticky thoughts shoud go to the bottom of all sticky thought in the room.  Like writing a book from first page to next page.  Now new thoughts go to the top forcing a person to republish all thoughts if they are intending to write from the top to the bottom. 
Most of that seems good.

  1. Don’t think I want to have to check an extra box just to make a quick thought appear instantly. Would end up forgetting to do that often and wonder why no one is responding to me. Seems more natural in this venue to do something extra in the lesser case that you want to have more time to work on a thought … i.e. be a draft.
  2. New sticky thoughts on the bottom would be nice. Tried to do that but the logistics are complex. Right now it is super simple. Everything is ordered by sticky first then date, all done via the sql query. And you can also change the sticky order easily just by republishing to the top. If I were to add code to reverse the sticky order then republish would put the sticky on the bottom which is weird … or would need even more logic … basically it gets really complicated and/or weird going too far down that rabbit hole.

Si says
This is all done except hiding from rooms as that will require a draft room.
There is even a draft that appears next to private in thought footers when it is a draft.

Mark de LA says
dA 2016-02-01 06:57:16 [item 19820#44108]
I would take drafts out of other rooms if there were an easy way to find a draft again. And no, not tags. Not everyone thinks of tagging things and it’s an extra unnecessary step … the draft status itself should be enough.

What seems to be needed is a “draft room”. Then drafts could be taken out of other rooms and still easily found by group participants.
Mark 2016-02-01 07:37:41 [item 19820#44118]
kewl -#hashtags notwithstanding or even things like dA or d’A or ……. 
dA 2016-02-01 07:40:56 [item 19820#44119]
Don’t worry Mark. There are plans for tags that will make you cream your pants!
Mark 2016-02-01 07:48:13 [item 19820#44121]
hopefully when the search for something improves. try it out on someone who knows nothing about fbi & don’t coach them.
dA 2016-02-01 08:02:13 [item 19820#44124]
Not worried about that at all. If they know nothing about FBI, then they won’t be worried about what appears in search, they will be elated at all the things they do find … like I was when I first made it and browsed the world.

Later, they will have learned it.

But a technical search is still on the books for you as you have agreed to fund it. It is in the queue.
Mark 2016-02-01 08:33:10 [item 19820#44132]
just to be clear I haven’t agreed to fund anything – other interpretations notwithstanding
dA 2016-02-01 09:10:59 [item 19820#44138]
Yes you did. You even asked if you could pay me via pay pal.
Mark 2016-02-01 09:26:59 [item 19820#44145]
reference could be nice – 
dA 2016-02-01 10:00:26 [item 19820#44154]
I can’t find it with expected search terms. I believe it was in one of your technical groups with the ming or iching stuff because you started the conversation about some letter combo that doesn’t work in search. You often remake those group posts private and now search and news fully honor private, even in comments, so I simply may no longer have access to the comments.
Mark 2016-02-01 10:32:39 [item 19820#44163]
maybe in 19707 which for some reason became a draft.  I remember talking about not being able to search for the astrological/occult format of where the sun/moon are at the time of a hex e.g. (K-M,Y-Z) – being the Sun is in Aquarius & the Moon is in Scorpio.  Maybe it was a dare, maybe it was an offer. Doubt it was a committed contract.  Just giving me back grep or regex in a wrapper would be worthless to me.  Anyway I have moved on to other needs as has my enthusiasm → group projective geometry 
dA 2016-02-01 10:40:34 [item 19820#44165]
Could have been, but not in that one.

Wherever it is I had agreed to your offer and you had said ~ as long as it is not a grep or regular expression ~ and I had said ~ since you are paying you can design how it works ~ and you had said ~ do you take paypal ~ and I had said ~ I will soon ~ and that’s where the conversation had ended. Since you had asked how you can pay, I take that as a for sure gentleman’s contract with only final details to be arranged.

Holmes says
Mark 2016-02-01 10:48:31 [item 19820#44169]
word meanings notwithstanding my private items are not drafts – some may be long-winded though laughing
Private and draft are very different things. The only commonality is that they both should not appear in news, rivers, searches, etc. Private means only you and others in that group. Draft means not ready for sindication and public participation. Draft is accumulating extra features too. Thinks you see and can do on a draft that are not seen on published articles … like active reference and script editing and soon features like live image sizing outside of the editor and other things … these will be availble on drafts.

Holmes says
dA 2016-02-01 11:16:34 [item 19820#44178]
As far as I am aware, the only group Mark and I share access to is group fbi. I don’t know about anyone else.
Mark 2016-02-01 11:46:16 [item 19820#44180]
group niche – you are talking about closed?
Okay, forgot about that, haven’t been there in quite a while. 2 groups then.

Mark de LA says
dA 2016-02-01 11:01:05 [item 19820#44171]
i.e. for instance. I can’t easily fix the editor plugin to do all the things you want like draggable image sizes in chrome browser. It’s a 3rd party plugin and to big to hack into. But I can easily add features like drag sizing widgets directly in pages … hence a “draft” context will allow a place for these extra features to happen.
Mark 2016-02-01 11:05:52 [item 19820#44174]
so someone changed my privates to drafts in anticipation ?
dA 2016-02-01 11:08:06 [item 19820#44175]
No one changed your stuff. I simply changed the name from “silent” to “draft” in order to expand the feature and give it a more useful name. On your posts, you had to have checked the “silent” and now “draft” checkbox at some time. No one outside your group can do that.
Mark 2016-02-01 11:13:08 [item 19820#44176]
Some of the old ones are still marked private. Most of group choy are so designated.
dA 2016-02-01 11:15:05 [item 19820#44177]
Private and draft are separate things, for different purposes, and only those in your groups can change either. Whatever they are showing as, they are yours.
Mark 2016-02-01 11:42:01 [item 19820#44179]
So we have 3 distinctions : private draft & nonspecified
dA 2016-02-01 12:23:18 [item 19820#44184]
Actually 4 by that rekoning. private, draft, normal, and open.

Seth says
seth 2016-02-01 17:33:04 [item 19820#44213]
draft should show up in searches to people who have the rights to edit it.   otherwise, when i have a lot of drafts, how am i to find the one i want to complete?   i believe that is the way it works now.
nathan 2016-02-01 17:39:11 [item 19820#44215]
Yes. Don’t see why not if you own the draft. Of course, a draft room would allow easy access as well. And I have always planned for rooms to have room search ability. The current paging one by one through rooms in crono order is not at all useful in large rooms. A simple room search would cinch that right up nicely.  

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