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Holmes says
I could also make the bottom one look like the top one on a thought, which is extremely different from the ones on comments. But if someone went through all the existing safeties, not sure that would stop them either.

Holmes says
dA 2016-02-03 05:07:57 [item 19843#44341]
I guess I could remove the trashcan from the bottom one. It is the only dangerous thing and rarely used. That would surely prevent accidents.

Personally I never use the bottom thought gadget. My natural workflow always has me at the top of a thought when I want to do something with it. But I know other people do different workflow.
seth 2016-02-03 05:13:56 [item 19843#44342]
yeah i’m not so sure that even duplicating the whole menu is a good idea.  

my original idea was to put the trash can for an item  (not in a menu) but on the lower left hand part of the thought.   if that same design motief was followed for trains, the trash can would be on the bottom left of the first train … hard to confuse.
dA 2016-02-03 05:19:06 [item 19843#44345]
Hard to confuse. But also bad ui design “by the book”. Right and left switching for the same kind of control messes with peoples right and left brains and subtly, through the unconscious, makes a UI experience seem clunky. We studied this at Microsoft. Had an expert come and give us a lecture on UI design.
seth 2016-02-03 05:22:25 [item 19843#44346]
well if edit is on the right … and delete is on the left … one switches contexts in one’s mind as one switches sides.  go to the left to delete … go to the right to add.   i think that would be a good design. 
It’s not. Breaks other design rules. Thinking something is good is actually one of the rules of bad design. We should not think about it, but instead watch people and analyze their activity and reactions … according to experts. It’s the thinking about it that makes Windows such a shitty experience and Apple such a great experience. Apple designers don’t think, they watch and   do.  

Holmes says
Mark 2016-02-03 07:30:48 [item 19843#44371]
Sometimes the extra clicks to get rid of stale used chat boxes gives me the same feelings & urges to curse as well. laughing← click here.
Still drawing that experience in are you? What context?

Holmes says
seth 2016-02-03 06:56:41 [item 19843#44360]
an honest account of my experience:  every time i am forced to click twice to edit rather than the single click of fbi1,  i curse out Tigger .    i don’t know if that kind of other people’s experience affects your design … but there it is anyway. 
Mark 2016-02-03 07:26:08 [item 19843#44370]
Related image sometimes the design of getting pictures which are already on the Internet into fbi is cumbersome . Then too are those that are saved on my own computer.  Just saying &
now said. winkthumbs up
seth 2016-02-03 07:33:22 [item 19843#44374]
well apparently you were able to drag those into RTE.  

me i don’t do that much at all … you have to get your screens just right and then drag just right and yes it works …. but for me it is just as easy (and much more reliable) to snap a picture of the screen and then upload … and then also i know that my picture will persist over time. 
dA 2016-02-03 07:36:01 [item 19843#44375]
You guys realize that in both windows and mac you don’t ever have to get windows just right? You can always drag things over the tab or toolbar of the window you want and that tab or window will pop open so you can drop to it? This works for all drag and drop, not just browsers, and on all operating systems except tablets.
seth 2016-02-03 07:42:55 [item 19843#44378]
well i knew that … still takes some learning in the fingers to get it right … then ends up failing for myrid of reasons … hence is not behavior that can be relied upon … which was my point.   though with practice i am absolutely positive that i can get better at it.   laugh let me drag something here from a google image in another tab ...

pondering … that worked well surprisesmug
Well, kids under 21 do it very reliably, so it can be reliable. I am medium at it. It’s just a knack.

Mark de LA says
seth 2016-02-03 06:56:41 [item 19843#44360]
an honest account of my experience:  every time i am forced to click twice to edit rather than the single click of fbi1,  i curse out Tigger .    i don’t know if that kind of other people’s experience affects your design … but there it is anyway. 
Mark 2016-02-03 07:26:08 [item 19843#44370]
Related image sometimes the design of getting pictures which are already on the Internet into fbi is cumbersome . Then too are those that are saved on my own computer.  Just saying &
now said. winkthumbs up
dA 2016-02-03 07:32:54 [item 19843#44373]
Exactly what workflow pattern do you want?
Mark 2016-02-03 07:53:03 [item 19843#44381]
What would M$ recommend?
dA 2016-02-03 07:55:12 [item 19843#44383]
Depends on what you detail. Nickels are for things that interest you, not me.
Mark 2016-02-03 08:33:22 [item 19843#44398]
& visa versa on that kind of response!
seth 2016-02-03 08:43:06 [item 19843#44405]
What is you guys feelings about a curator (like me) deleting threads which are decaying into rwg ?
Mark 2016-02-03 09:01:28 [item 19843#44411]
When I feel my own post is degenerating by other’s comments & maybe mine I usually either make it private in order not to lose the original goodies or delete it.  I have done that a couple of times & am pursuing group projective geometry now w/ breakthrough yesterday.  
Recommend self-curating or perhaps a 100% consensus.  It would be better to be able to move stuff from one group to another before the kingpin starts deleting stuff. You don’t yet even believe that the RWG is automatic & dA has aversions to any negatives & probably some kind of LOA aphorism to cover it. I am sure real customers would scurry like ants from any system so vulnerable but that’s not a problem now (just a clue).  The challenge is given the aforementioned & automaticity who decides the edge ? Since you are the only 2 administrator you do what you want – me I would have to flee. Just give me the time to move my 10 year + investment in time & ideas elsewhere. 
dA 2016-02-03 09:03:14 [item 19843#44412]
Simple. If it feels the most exciting, not least painful, but truly exciting, do whatever it is. You never need to ask if you are following that guidance.
Mark 2016-02-03 09:08:14 [item 19843#44414]
Yep, the aphorism came out! thumbs up  but then why bother with social except to fulfill your own wants. 
seth 2016-02-03 09:17:36 [item 19843#44417]
anyway … not to get off track … i am talking here only about threads … not whole thoughts.  

when there is a dialouge that wants to happen on a particular thought … and instead a rwg breaks out … then the original thing gets lost in the shuffel.   gentelmen,  i have seen that happen again and again,  and now that we have 3 here, …. it sure  feels  crying  to watc(h) some a potentially really great possibility vanish … instead to leave a cheeky taste on the screen. 

seeking some practical consciousness here … can y’all dig it?
dA 2016-02-03 09:20:38 [item 19843#44418]
I can. And my answer is rock solid. The best available in this, or any other verse, at this relatave stage of evolution!
Mark 2016-02-03 09:23:00 [item 19843#44420]
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… as is mine! The call went out a long time ( 4636 ) – the question was asked somewhere how to stop the rwg – harder than kicking smack – but simpler – just move on and do that accepting thingy. 

Seth says
seth 2016-02-03 06:56:41 [item 19843#44360]
an honest account of my experience:  every time i am forced to click twice to edit rather than the single click of fbi1,  i curse out Tigger .    i don’t know if that kind of other people’s experience affects your design … but there it is anyway. 
Mark 2016-02-03 07:26:08 [item 19843#44370]
Related image sometimes the design of getting pictures which are already on the Internet into fbi is cumbersome . Then too are those that are saved on my own computer.  Just saying &
now said. winkthumbs up
dA 2016-02-03 07:32:54 [item 19843#44373]
Exactly what workflow pattern do you want?
Mark 2016-02-03 07:53:03 [item 19843#44381]
What would M$ recommend?
dA 2016-02-03 07:55:12 [item 19843#44383]
Depends on what you detail. Nickels are for things that interest you, not me.
Mark 2016-02-03 08:33:22 [item 19843#44398]
& visa versa on that kind of response!
seth 2016-02-03 08:43:06 [item 19843#44405]
What is you guys feelings about a curator (like me) deleting threads which are decaying into rwg ?
Mark 2016-02-03 09:01:28 [item 19843#44411]
When I feel my own post is degenerating by other’s comments & maybe mine I usually either make it private in order not to lose the original goodies or delete it.  I have done that a couple of times & am pursuing group projective geometry now w/ breakthrough yesterday.  
Recommend self-curating or perhaps a 100% consensus.  It would be better to be able to move stuff from one group to another before the kingpin starts deleting stuff. You don’t yet even believe that the RWG is automatic & dA has aversions to any negatives & probably some kind of LOA aphorism to cover it. I am sure real customers would scurry like ants from any system so vulnerable but that’s not a problem now (just a clue).  The challenge is given the aforementioned & automaticity who decides the edge ? Since you are the only 2 administrator you do what you want – me I would have to flee. Just give me the time to move my 10 year + investment in time & ideas elsewhere. 
dA 2016-02-03 09:03:14 [item 19843#44412]
Simple. If it feels the most exciting, not least painful, but truly exciting, do whatever it is. You never need to ask if you are following that guidance.
Mark 2016-02-03 09:08:14 [item 19843#44414]
Yep, the aphorism came out! thumbs up  but then why bother with social except to fulfill your own wants. 
seth 2016-02-03 09:17:36 [item 19843#44417]
anyway … not to get off track … i am talking here only about threads … not whole thoughts.  

when there is a dialouge that wants to happen on a particular thought … and instead a rwg breaks out … then the original thing gets lost in the shuffel.   gentelmen,  i have seen that happen again and again,  and now that we have 3 here, …. it sure  feels  crying  to watc(h) some a potentially really great possibility vanish … instead to leave a cheeky taste on the screen. 

seeking some practical consciousness here … can y’all dig it?
dA 2016-02-03 09:20:38 [item 19843#44418]
I can. And my answer is rock solid. The best available in this, or any other verse, at this relatave stage of evolution!
seth 2016-02-03 09:32:34 [item 19843#44423]
let me be sure i understand your answer as it applies to my specific question.     You seem to be saying that if *I* feel excited about deleting a thread that is decaying into RWG, that i should just do it.   Thing is when i do stuff like that i need to consider the consequences on others and what they are likely to do in response to those.  For example, if i delete a comment that mark has vested interest in preserving, it is not going to have the effect of getting that thought back on its original intent … rather i will garner all manner of hostility instead … and the original possibility will become even more distant.   I rather think that if deleted one of your gems you might have the same reaction.  

So i don’t yet see how your short answer will help this particular predicament.
dA 2016-02-03 09:39:29 [item 19843#44427]
If one is truly following excitement, that cannot happen. Excitement is the emotion that is delivered when all such things, and many more beyond, have been taken into account. If it is excitement, it is rock solid. There will never be an outcome that is not the best possible for everyone.

Now, granted, it is a process to learn to tell excitement from other push-pull emotions. But one has to try or they are not ever able to tell the difference. I respect those who try more than those who don’t. If I loose something by someone honestly trying to get in sync with all needs through excitement, then it is a worthy a loss.
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Mark de LA says
seth 2016-02-03 06:56:41 [item 19843#44360]
an honest account of my experience:  every time i am forced to click twice to edit rather than the single click of fbi1,  i curse out Tigger .    i don’t know if that kind of other people’s experience affects your design … but there it is anyway. 
Mark 2016-02-03 07:26:08 [item 19843#44370]
Related image sometimes the design of getting pictures which are already on the Internet into fbi is cumbersome . Then too are those that are saved on my own computer.  Just saying &
now said. winkthumbs up
dA 2016-02-03 07:32:54 [item 19843#44373]
Exactly what workflow pattern do you want?
Mark 2016-02-03 07:53:03 [item 19843#44381]
What would M$ recommend?
dA 2016-02-03 07:55:12 [item 19843#44383]
Depends on what you detail. Nickels are for things that interest you, not me.
Mark 2016-02-03 08:33:22 [item 19843#44398]
& visa versa on that kind of response!
seth 2016-02-03 08:43:06 [item 19843#44405]
What is you guys feelings about a curator (like me) deleting threads which are decaying into rwg ?
Mark 2016-02-03 09:01:28 [item 19843#44411]
When I feel my own post is degenerating by other’s comments & maybe mine I usually either make it private in order not to lose the original goodies or delete it.  I have done that a couple of times & am pursuing group projective geometry now w/ breakthrough yesterday.  
Recommend self-curating or perhaps a 100% consensus.  It would be better to be able to move stuff from one group to another before the kingpin starts deleting stuff. You don’t yet even believe that the RWG is automatic & dA has aversions to any negatives & probably some kind of LOA aphorism to cover it. I am sure real customers would scurry like ants from any system so vulnerable but that’s not a problem now (just a clue).  The challenge is given the aforementioned & automaticity who decides the edge ? Since you are the only 2 administrator you do what you want – me I would have to flee. Just give me the time to move my 10 year + investment in time & ideas elsewhere. 
dA 2016-02-03 09:03:14 [item 19843#44412]
Simple. If it feels the most exciting, not least painful, but truly exciting, do whatever it is. You never need to ask if you are following that guidance.
Mark 2016-02-03 09:08:14 [item 19843#44414]
Yep, the aphorism came out! thumbs up  but then why bother with social except to fulfill your own wants. 
dA 2016-02-03 09:13:48 [item 19843#44416]
Exactly!!!! If everyone did that, then people with the same wants would sync up (they do anyway, but right now also for don’t wants because they think about them) and then things would get even more awesome for everyone!
Mark 2016-02-03 09:21:46 [item 19843#44419]
Yep – until 2 guys want the same woman or something similar. laughing This should probably be moved/continued at group law of attraction – kinda off topic IMHO.
dA 2016-02-03 09:24:06 [item 19843#44421]
I don’t write over in that group. The curator is a Nazi.
Mark 2016-02-03 09:34:24 [item 19843#44424]
How timely! Even LOA can’t stop the RWG laughing What could be done to deconfuse you about that group?
dA 2016-02-03 09:45:47 [item 19843#44429]
A start would be to remove the stipulations posted by which the curator will cut things that link to youtubes or other stuff. LOA is a living art … those other things are part of living and understanding it through doing. I have no interest in a group about LOA that only talks about it. If one isn’t trying it, living it, doing it, it’s not LOA. Also, bring back the stuff I wrote there at the start that was highly relevant to the topic and is now not visible. Why would I write where my stuff disappears?
done.

Mark de LA says
seth 2016-02-03 06:56:41 [item 19843#44360]
an honest account of my experience:  every time i am forced to click twice to edit rather than the single click of fbi1,  i curse out Tigger .    i don’t know if that kind of other people’s experience affects your design … but there it is anyway. 
Mark 2016-02-03 07:26:08 [item 19843#44370]
Related image sometimes the design of getting pictures which are already on the Internet into fbi is cumbersome . Then too are those that are saved on my own computer.  Just saying &
now said. winkthumbs up
dA 2016-02-03 07:32:54 [item 19843#44373]
Exactly what workflow pattern do you want?
Mark 2016-02-03 07:53:03 [item 19843#44381]
What would M$ recommend?
dA 2016-02-03 07:55:12 [item 19843#44383]
Depends on what you detail. Nickels are for things that interest you, not me.
Mark 2016-02-03 08:33:22 [item 19843#44398]
& visa versa on that kind of response!
seth 2016-02-03 08:43:06 [item 19843#44405]
What is you guys feelings about a curator (like me) deleting threads which are decaying into rwg ?
Mark 2016-02-03 09:01:28 [item 19843#44411]
When I feel my own post is degenerating by other’s comments & maybe mine I usually either make it private in order not to lose the original goodies or delete it.  I have done that a couple of times & am pursuing group projective geometry now w/ breakthrough yesterday.  
Recommend self-curating or perhaps a 100% consensus.  It would be better to be able to move stuff from one group to another before the kingpin starts deleting stuff. You don’t yet even believe that the RWG is automatic & dA has aversions to any negatives & probably some kind of LOA aphorism to cover it. I am sure real customers would scurry like ants from any system so vulnerable but that’s not a problem now (just a clue).  The challenge is given the aforementioned & automaticity who decides the edge ? Since you are the only 2 administrator you do what you want – me I would have to flee. Just give me the time to move my 10 year + investment in time & ideas elsewhere. 
dA 2016-02-03 09:03:14 [item 19843#44412]
Simple. If it feels the most exciting, not least painful, but truly exciting, do whatever it is. You never need to ask if you are following that guidance.
Mark 2016-02-03 09:08:14 [item 19843#44414]
Yep, the aphorism came out! thumbs up  but then why bother with social except to fulfill your own wants. 
seth 2016-02-03 09:17:36 [item 19843#44417]
anyway … not to get off track … i am talking here only about threads … not whole thoughts.  

when there is a dialouge that wants to happen on a particular thought … and instead a rwg breaks out … then the original thing gets lost in the shuffel.   gentelmen,  i have seen that happen again and again,  and now that we have 3 here, …. it sure  feels  crying  to watc(h) some a potentially really great possibility vanish … instead to leave a cheeky taste on the screen. 

seeking some practical consciousness here … can y’all dig it?
dA 2016-02-03 09:20:38 [item 19843#44418]
I can. And my answer is rock solid. The best available in this, or any other verse, at this relatave stage of evolution!
seth 2016-02-03 09:32:34 [item 19843#44423]
let me be sure i understand your answer as it applies to my specific question.     You seem to be saying that if *I* feel excited about deleting a thread that is decaying into RWG, that i should just do it.   Thing is when i do stuff like that i need to consider the consequences on others and what they are likely to do in response to those.  For example, if i delete a comment that mark has vested interest in preserving, it is not going to have the effect of getting that thought back on its original intent … rather i will garner all manner of hostility instead … and the original possibility will become even more distant.   I rather think that if I deleted one of your gems, you might have the same reaction.  

So i don’t yet see how your short answer will help this particular predicament.
Mark 2016-02-03 09:36:31 [item 19843#44425]
A better answer is to just privatize it. idea
seth 2016-02-03 09:38:26 [item 19843#44426]
again i am talking about threads, not thoughts.  and i am talking about what focus and possibilities all the eyes see there, and not just mine.  
Mark 2016-02-03 09:50:21 [item 19843#44432]
like might have to remove some Ego & Arrogance from the swimming pool though . idealoving it
seth 2016-02-03 10:06:05 [item 19843#44437]
well yes obviously … this is all about ego … and moderating it where it gets in the way.   can we shed any more light on it than just that of which we are both already painfully aware?
maybe, but right now I am bored with the subject … moving onideayes

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