scalia died of a heart attack - the washington post

surprise OMG … this is going to change everything about the 2016 election.

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Seth says
Bilbo Baggins of group da 2016-02-14 11:59:31 [item 19963#45517]
Interesting. I didn’t know him. Liked to hunt alligators huh? Sounds adventurous! ☑️
my taggings on this thought connects it to why i think it changes everything about this election.  now the election is going to be even more viciously about a fight clubs.   now it has even less to do with my life that even before.  me, i will probably give 2016 election less and less attention … though i am probably still watc(h)   the trump phenomana … that is interesting on its own … and i actually predict that he will be our next president ← you heard it first here.  

Seth says
Mark of group mark 2016-02-14 11:39:58 [item 19963#45516]
Nah!….. corruption piled on corruption rolled up in a tortilla of corruption with corruption sauce always tastes the same. Good luck with hope & change. laughing
yep same old political shit will still circulate in our political bowls … nothing really changes … except the meta shit about it.  but now that meta shit will be different than before scalia died.

Seth says
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:29:11 [item 19963#45602]
i can even see a senario where the democrats win and the next presiden appoints Obama to the supreme court to replace scalia … that way the republicans get hoisted on their own pitard laughing.   just seeing possiblities … not even expecting any.  
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:33:53 [item 19963#45603]
Maybe even Bernie Sanders gets appointed & that gives the nomination to Hillary. laughing
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:38:34 [item 19963#45605]
that would be an impossible senario imho.  it is just a wiggy in the great mind of mark.  thank god it is not reflected in any thing that could ever actually happen in any universe whatsoever.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:40:36 [item 19963#45606]
nor is obama →  scotus. laughing 
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:45:49 [item 19963#45609]
sure it is … and i do believe obama on the court has already been discussed.   all it would take is for a democrate to win the whitehouse and the senate, ← both distinct possiblities. 

what would be impossible is for the republican senate to confirm sanders even if obama nominated him ←  which wouldnt even make any sense.  point being it is just a joke in your mind … good one laugh and all, i am not complaing …. but not a possibility of what might happen. 
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:48:12 [item 19963#45610]
Someday get the meaning of possibility – maybe ask Bilbo Boggins about it & other universes.
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:50:16 [item 19963#45612]
a possibility is something that could actually happen.
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 10:52:56 [item 19963#45617]
Yes, and what makes it a possibility? Simply that it can be imagined. ?
well we disagree on that matter.

Holmes says
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:29:11 [item 19963#45602]
i can even see a senario where the democrats win and the next presiden appoints Obama to the supreme court to replace scalia … that way the republicans get hoisted on their own pitard laughing.   just seeing possiblities … not even expecting any.  
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:33:53 [item 19963#45603]
Maybe even Bernie Sanders gets appointed & that gives the nomination to Hillary. laughing
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:38:34 [item 19963#45605]
that would be an impossible senario imho.  it is just a wiggy in the great mind of mark.  thank god it is not reflected in any thing that could ever actually happen in any universe whatsoever.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:40:36 [item 19963#45606]
nor is obama →  scotus. laughing 
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:42:28 [item 19963#45607]
sure it is … and i do believe obama on the court has already been discussed.   all it would take is for a democrate to win the whitehouse and the senate, both possiblities. 
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:45:09 [item 19963#45608]
Obama doesn’t want a real job – he would rather run his mouth – doesn’t follow/respect the law anyway. It is more likely that one of his daughters runs for president against one of clinton’s 
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:48:33 [item 19963#45611]
i guess you said that just because of how it rang in the air … not to be writing possiblities in the world or anything like that.  

me i am just trying to become aware of the difference … not complaining about your funny jokes.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:50:36 [item 19963#45613]
ad hominem winS! tuit rolling down the road to something more interesting.wink
 
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:51:53 [item 19963#45616]
no ad hominem … why destroy this thread … not about you mark.   can’t you tell?
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:56:56 [item 19963#45618]
in other words, you are telling a story about how you think Obama is.  That sotry is subjective just to you and to those others who think like that.  Surly you must realize that.   I’m just saying that story in you head does has not practical effect in the world in any universe. … and er, thank god that it does not.
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 11:07:46 [item 19963#45621]
Not true at all Seth, not true at all. The only thing required to bring any story into being is a belief structure that supports it. There is no physical limitation on what can be manifested in physical form any more than there is a limitation of what a mirror can reflect. You, personally, don’t believe that this story is not practical, therefore you won’t experience it … not only that, but LOA will keep you in the vibrational vicinity of those others who believe like you do. But many others, even in this same verse, can have completely different expereinces based on their beliefs. Only a few believe that the whole of experience is actually this flexible, and those few experience it so.
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 11:12:15 [item 19963#45623]
yep i know that is your story.   the ultimate triumph of the inner man over the outer world.   sorry not buying into it.   my ego does not need, or want, that … i have far to much respect for all that is not me, to think that i am doing it all myself. 
All that you personally experience is your creation. That is not the same as all that is. Please don’t confuse and mix them. Each of us contributes to all that is by having our own experiences in our own realities and utilizing our own imagination in our own unique ways.

This is where the holodeck model works very nicely. We each have our own experiences on our own holodecks only connected to others vibrationally … physically experiencing what we ourselves create from that vibrational connection and knowledge. But everything we do create, everything we do expereince, goes into the all that is becoming available to all others. Like as to each of our holodeck experiences getting recorded in the globally available computer memory banks for others to build with in their holodecks.

Hence it does not need to be an ego thing at all. It is always co creation and diversity. That we create our own reality takes nothing away. Your fear about it is unfounded. Whatever you are experiencing now is in that context already. It’s not a situation where you can loose something if you believed.

Seth says
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:29:11 [item 19963#45602]
i can even see a senario where the democrats win and the next presiden appoints Obama to the supreme court to replace scalia … that way the republicans get hoisted on their own pitard laughing.   just seeing possiblities … not even expecting any.  
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:33:53 [item 19963#45603]
Maybe even Bernie Sanders gets appointed & that gives the nomination to Hillary. laughing
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:38:34 [item 19963#45605]
that would be an impossible senario imho.  it is just a wiggy in the great mind of mark.  thank god it is not reflected in any thing that could ever actually happen in any universe whatsoever.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:40:36 [item 19963#45606]
nor is obama →  scotus. laughing 
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:45:49 [item 19963#45609]
sure it is … and i do believe obama on the court has already been discussed.   all it would take is for a democrate to win the whitehouse and the senate, ← both distinct possiblities. 

what would be impossible is for the republican senate to confirm sanders even if obama nominated him ←  which wouldnt even make any sense.  point being it is just a joke in your mind … good one laugh and all, i am not complaing …. but not a possibility of what might happen. 
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:48:12 [item 19963#45610]
Someday get the meaning of possibility – maybe ask Bilbo Boggins about it & other universes.
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 10:50:40 [item 19963#45614]
LOL … yea, I was just thinking how funny-strainge it is that you guys still don’t experience the casualty between what you think today and what happens tomorrow, even though you have both been doing and living it your whole lives. The social conditioning about how things work is so much stronger than the experience itself.
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 11:05:00 [item 19963#45620]
well certainly there is a causual connection between what i think today and what i experience tomorrow … but not necessarily between what happens tomorrow.   after all, experience is relative to (subjective to) some particular mind.  what happens is not subjective.  ← that is why i love the word “happens”. 
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 11:10:52 [item 19963#45622]
What you experience is what “happens”. We have been down this road before, lots of times. You always stop at the point where you cannot prove otherwise. But it is true nevertheless. The very fact that you cannot prove otherwise is the indicator in that direction.
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 11:23:19 [item 19963#45625]
one can easily verity that what one experiences is not what happens for everybody.  therefore it is just your subjective universe in which “What you experience is what happens”.

and yes we have been down this path … my experience is that you always avoid actually believing in otherness.  my theory being that, if you had to believe in it, you would loose some of your god like powers.  me i let that go, doesnt bother me, so i don’t rubb  on it , … why? … well because shucks, i like your god like powers when they are working great … why should i try to lessen them laugh ← now i bet you didn't invent that one to happen over here grin.
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 11:31:19 [item 19963#45626]
Oh I have been working on that one. Computer programs are not the only thing I work on when I work. For realz, I’m not being flippant or funny. Wherever I am, whatever I am doing, I am always engineering my environment … what’s the point of knowing it is your creation if you don’t create?

I believe in otherness. I wrote a lot about otherness above. Even the physical things I manifest are representative of otherness. And I am immersed in a sea of vibrational otherness. I simply know the difference between what is in the mirror and what is me … even when the mirror is 3D and made of atoms, like a holodeck.
well your holodeck vibrational interference model of otherness does not work for me.  way too indirect and is not how it actually feels.  it does not match my mexperience or describe or explain it.   that it works for you might be saying something about you in particular … after all we are all emersed in the world differently … our egos adapt differently and so things feel different.  

and incidentally i have felt that indirection separation that you keep describing at other times in my life … i have even talked about it on fbi.  now in retrospect, i consider it to have been an error on my part, like feeling a headache that i didn't need to feel.  I do not think it is a good model of actual human interaction … of how how it feels and works, as you seem to imply.   but i do see the extra freedom it gives to one’s ego. and it does allow you to tell a story of others pain as their own fault.

Holmes says
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 11:37:29 [item 19963#45627]

“All that you personally experience is your creation.”

nathan

the cut on my hand just finished healing.  i experienced the healing … my mental activity might even have helped it along.   but according to you, that healing happened through my own creation.  there are lots of examples like this where you discount the contribution to your experiences from outside yourself. 

so yes we “co create” our experiences with others, as you say.  but that contradicts the way you said it in your first sentence in http://www.fastblogit.com/item/19963#45624  above.
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 11:47:34 [item 19963#45628]
I don’t experience any contradictions. I can see that I would have to start drawing boundaries in one or another places and buying into one belief system or another to start experiencing contradictions. I am not saying that one cannot experience such contradictions, only that one must set something up in order to do so. That’s one thing religion is for … it helps us set up belief systems that allow us to experience contradictions like that and many other things we could not experience as fully aware beings of creation.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 12:09:24 [item 19963#45630]
not only religious beliefs, but any beliefs about the meaning of something or someone or anything, now or nothing …. or what ever frozen moment of attention is at the end of your fork . laughing
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 12:12:47 [item 19963#45633]
Yes. That’s true, any beliefs. All experience happens within the lattice of one’s beliefs.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 12:15:03 [item 19963#45634]
yes including that one!!! wink
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 12:18:10 [item 19963#45635]
Yes. And that one is a fundamental belief. Like the speed of light. It defines a cornerstone upon which all other beliefs can pivot.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 12:25:45 [item 19963#45638]
.. & that one too … wink – some even believe that the speed of light is infinite & some believe that it doesn’t move at all .. Pronouncements are beliefs trying to spread themselves (IMHO – which is neither, but just saying … )
… & said.smug
?

Holmes says
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:29:11 [item 19963#45602]
i can even see a senario where the democrats win and the next presiden appoints Obama to the supreme court to replace scalia … that way the republicans get hoisted on their own pitard laughing.   just seeing possiblities … not even expecting any.  
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:33:53 [item 19963#45603]
Maybe even Bernie Sanders gets appointed & that gives the nomination to Hillary. laughing
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:38:34 [item 19963#45605]
that would be an impossible senario imho.  it is just a wiggy in the great mind of mark.  thank god it is not reflected in any thing that could ever actually happen in any universe whatsoever.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:40:36 [item 19963#45606]
nor is obama →  scotus. laughing 
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:45:49 [item 19963#45609]
sure it is … and i do believe obama on the court has already been discussed.   all it would take is for a democrate to win the whitehouse and the senate, ← both distinct possiblities. 

what would be impossible is for the republican senate to confirm sanders even if obama nominated him ←  which wouldnt even make any sense.  point being it is just a joke in your mind … good one laugh and all, i am not complaing …. but not a possibility of what might happen. 
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:48:12 [item 19963#45610]
Someday get the meaning of possibility – maybe ask Bilbo Boggins about it & other universes.
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 10:50:40 [item 19963#45614]
LOL … yea, I was just thinking how funny-strainge it is that you guys still don’t experience the casualty between what you think today and what happens tomorrow, even though you have both been doing and living it your whole lives. The social conditioning about how things work is so much stronger than the experience itself.
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 11:05:00 [item 19963#45620]
well certainly there is a causual connection between what i think today and what i experience tomorrow … but not necessarily between what happens tomorrow.   after all, experience is relative to (subjective to) some particular mind.  what happens is not subjective.  ← that is why i love the word “happens”. 
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 11:10:52 [item 19963#45622]
What you experience is what “happens”. We have been down this road before, lots of times. You always stop at the point where you cannot prove otherwise. But it is true nevertheless. The very fact that you cannot prove otherwise is the indicator in that direction.
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 11:23:19 [item 19963#45625]
one can easily verity that what one experiences is not what happens for everybody.  therefore it is just your subjective universe in which “What you experience is what happens”.

and yes we have been down this path … my experience is that you always avoid actually believing in otherness.  my theory being that, if you had to believe in it, you would loose some of your god like powers.  me i let that go, doesnt bother me, so i don’t rubb  on it , … why? … well because shucks, i like your god like powers when they are working great … why should i try to lessen them laugh ← now i bet you didn't invent that one to happen over here grin.
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 11:31:19 [item 19963#45626]
Oh I have been working on that one. Computer programs are not the only thing I work on when I work. For realz, I’m not being flippant or funny. Wherever I am, whatever I am doing, I am always engineering my environment … what’s the point of knowing it is your creation if you don’t create?

I believe in otherness. I wrote a lot about otherness above. Even the physical things I manifest are representative of otherness. And I am immersed in a sea of vibrational otherness. I simply know the difference between what is in the mirror and what is me … even when the mirror is 3D and made of atoms, like a holodeck.
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 11:59:38 [item 19963#45629]
well your holodeck vibrational interference model of otherness does not work for me.  way too indirect and is not how it actually feels.  it does not match my mexperience or describe or explain it.   that it works for you might be saying something about you in particular … after all we are all emersed in the world differently … our egos adapt differently and so things feel different.  

and incidentally i have felt that indirection separation that you keep describing at other times in my life … i have even talked about it on fbi.  now in retrospect, i consider it to have been an error on my part, like feeling a headache that i didn't need to feel.  I do not think it is a good model of actual human interaction … of how how it feels and works, as you seem to imply.   but i do see the extra freedom it gives to one’s ego.
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 12:10:42 [item 19963#45631]
Ego works in the other direction. The more ego any individual introduces the more caught up in the mirror they are. Ego is that which connects one to a creation. Ego identities are the mechanisms by which we create believable and experienceable realities. Egos are the machinery of the holodeck itself.

I am not sure what you experienced and if it were error or not. I do not experience indirection at all and rarely have. Knowing that all is my creation only allows me to change perspective at will. It does not lessen or disconnect my feeling of the experiences I have. They are quite real. Having more perspectives and a wider range of beliefs and knowing that all I experience is the direct result of the beliefs I am holding at the moment is a richer story, that’s all.
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 12:18:45 [item 19963#45636]
well i stuggled with my term “ indirection separation” … and to communicate that better would take more words than i am prepared to throuw at it now.   it is clear to me you are talking about something else. 

Anyway i can heartidly subscribe to  your …
“Having more perspectives and a wider range of beliefs and knowing that all I experience is the direct result of the beliefs I am holding at the moment is a richer story, that’s all.”
nathan
that is true here as well yes
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 12:24:06 [item 19963#45637]
Not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that believing yourself to be an isolated package in a unified structure that contains other isolated packages interacting with each other on a very limited set of external interactions compared to the totality of all that is personally experienced is a richer story?
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 12:30:38 [item 19963#45640]
hmmm … i wlll have to think about that one …
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 12:38:14 [item 19963#45641]
my first reaction is, “yes” the former is a bigger world and hence richer. the latter is actually quite narrow, even though it appears to be all that we ever get.  and then too your desciption contains the term “a very limited set of external interactions” … er, which is not the way i would describe it.  the set of external interactions is vast and even ever growing.   my reaction here is partually explained in How to see an elephant with multi-person binocular vision.  … it has to do with an ability to think and feel and do outside of one’s self.
Rapheal of group da 2016-02-15 12:46:25 [item 19963#45644]
You cut off the other half of what I said. I said “very limited set of external interactions compared to the totality of all that is personally experienced”. Yes, without the whole, it would be as you say. But when you compare all external interactions with all experience of an individual, the external, in the traditional model you are supporting, is a very limited set.
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 13:10:49 [item 19963#45645]
well i think “your internal experiences” do not compare well to “my internal experiences”.  nor would our external experiences.   these kinds of thing do vary radically from person to person.   that may well explain why we have come up with different beliefs here .    in a way we have no basis for the comparison … so i do not go with your generalization. 

or said more directly … i think you live a rich internal life … if you could experience mine, you would be disappointed.   i experience a rich life in what happens … it never ceases to amaze me.  i know nothing about the richness of what you experience externally … although i suspect it is also amazing.   It is more really a question of which one values over the other … and that, i think we would both agree, should remain up to the individual involved.  we are not all of us tiggers.  let there be these zillions of stories in the naked city … that is why it is resilient and we can make it survive.
To try to stay on track … the way I characterized the traditional model still seems to be basically what it is. The characterization is only dependent upon the idea that the number of an individuals internal experiences are far vaster than experiences of interactions with others.

It is exactly where you say “it appears to be all we ever get” that is the reason I have looked behind the curtain to see if there is more … and lo and behold, there is much more. We actually put the curtains up ourselves to limit and guide our experiences into this traditional viewpoint. What we are, what we can do, what is actually real and available, is much vaster than what is inside this curtained space. But not everyone want’s to know that. People don’t go to movies to experience the whole world, they go to moves to have an isolated and specific experience. Life itself is just like that … and I like jumping theaters, catching clips from all kinds of different movies, and being a director of others. That’s what I do … and because I do it, I insist that it is present and available even though those having a particular movie experience have forgotten that it is only a movie.

Seth says
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:29:11 [item 19963#45602]
i can even see a senario where the democrats win and the next presiden appoints Obama to the supreme court to replace scalia … that way the republicans get hoisted on their own pitard laughing.   just seeing possiblities … not even expecting any.  
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:33:53 [item 19963#45603]
Maybe even Bernie Sanders gets appointed & that gives the nomination to Hillary. laughing
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:38:34 [item 19963#45605]
that would be an impossible senario imho.  it is just a wiggy in the great mind of mark.  thank god it is not reflected in any thing that could ever actually happen in any universe whatsoever.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:40:36 [item 19963#45606]
nor is obama →  scotus. laughing 
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:42:28 [item 19963#45607]
sure it is … and i do believe obama on the court has already been discussed.   all it would take is for a democrate to win the whitehouse and the senate, both possiblities. 
Mark of group mark 2016-02-15 10:45:09 [item 19963#45608]
Obama doesn’t want a real job – he would rather run his mouth – doesn’t follow/respect the law anyway. It is more likely that one of his daughters runs for president against one of clinton’s 
seth of group seth 2016-02-15 10:50:55 [item 19963#45615]
i guess you said that just because of how it rang in the air … not to be recording possiblities in the world or anything like that.  

me i am just trying to become aware of the difference … not complaining about your funny jokes.
Simon St Laurent started a train of thought on FB that is not all that different but switched Hillary for Sanders … you might enjoy it laugh

Mark de LA says
Another point of view – leave at 8 for a while because …
http://www.weeklystandard.com/eight-is-enough-for-now/article/2001151 thumbs up

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