Arrogance - LOA or RWG ?

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Where in the LOA syllabus is arrogance , however thinly disguised in language, an acceptable way of being?

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Mark de LA says
How ugly the RWG gets & how d’A interprets it to be ok to gross out & insult with arrogance ← (Lucifer-Ahriman) 


 

Holmes says
Donatello of group da 2016-02-16 14:00:04 [item 19980#45752]
And p.s. I didn’t make this consciously or have anything to do with it’s making. It came along in perfect timing as a creation of my verse … paralleling my thoughts … as happens so often.

Why don’t you do the things you know you can do and then have these kinds of things manifest in your verse, to match your creative spirit, instead of getting your rainbow panties all in a twist about what’s happening in mine?
Mark of group mark 2016-02-16 14:02:13 [item 19980#45755]
Why don’t you figure out what you are doing first before suggesting shit to others. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-16 14:10:09 [item 19980#45758]
That’s back asswards that’s why. We are all figuring out our verses moment by moment. No one knows any different. So pretending we do, and then pretending the opposite when we talk to others, is all mixed up. Just realize it’s a whole different game and a whole different thing to everyone and be yourself. That’s straight up being … and talking.

From the other perspective, you don’t have to assume when I talk I am talking down to you … be bigger than that.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-16 14:12:35 [item 19980#45759]
No bigger than content-free sleeve-job messages that somehow you think I need or want to hear?laughing
Needing or wanting? How about incessant begging. I resisted in lots of ways for a long time. Ignored you, and many other things. Finally, I realized, just give in. Give him what he is asking for. And that has worked much better! You have come a long way since I started doing that … and I don’t get all tied up in your shit doing that either.

Welcome aboard mate! This is an awesome voyage you have signed up for. rose

Holmes says
The way we commonly speak, so called “respectuflly”, came about in the times when there was royalty and common folk. The common folk were required by law to speak respectfully to royalty and almost never to speak their mind. This was not however, how royalty in those times spoke to each other.

In modern times, a version of that way of commoners speaking to royalty became the norm as royalty faded away. It was a hard thing for generations of commoners to shake. Now it is what people think they should do and is what they are used to. But even today people know in their gut there are problems with it. They placate that feeling in their gut by justifying this way of speaking as being a better way of honoring and respecting others … but it is not honest and is the cornerstone of many modern communication problems. This feeling of wrongness in our common, politically correct, way of speaking is the force behind both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders success. People are refreshed by their blaintant honesty in being who they are and saying what they think … and equally repelled by Hilliary’s normal way of speaking.

It is thought better to hide what you think and pretend to be respectful and “be like” others instead of who you really are and representative of what you actually think. This does no one justice. It is, quite frankly, archaic. Not barbaric though, barbarians were far more honest with each other even if crude in manner.

Seth says
Donatello of group da 2016-02-16 13:21:37 [item 19980#45737]
thats a curious response. Is the link broke? It points to the beauty that will become. What are you thinking Mark?
Mark of group mark 2016-02-16 13:36:47 [item 19980#45743]
Nope! I screen scraped your whole comment here is the link : Nathan takes a Selfie.
Donatello of group da 2016-02-16 13:38:37 [item 19980#45744]
yea so? What’s your issue with that?
Mark of group mark 2016-02-16 13:41:02 [item 19980#45746]
For what purpose did you put it here. It was more the law of repulsion than anything else. Did you want me to be attracted to something there?
Donatello of group da 2016-02-16 13:45:09 [item 19980#45749]
I put it there because it came along representing many things I have been writing about today in a simple pictorial format. There is certainly nothing revolting about it. Not to a human identity. Perhaps only to ego identities with issues. But I always expect people to be better than their ego pain bodies who may be feeding and take whichever I get. As I do here now.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-16 14:00:09 [item 19980#45753]
look in the mirror first, dude! cool
Donatello of group da 2016-02-16 14:01:01 [item 19980#45754]
That’s what reality is, a mirror.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-16 14:03:10 [item 19980#45756]
for some value of the word that?
Donatello of group da 2016-02-16 14:07:08 [item 19980#45757]
Totally right? If this is all a mirror, that’s some awesome and special glass~!
seth of group seth 2016-02-16 15:17:42 [item 19980#45765]
well come on now … if you can only see your own reflection in your perceptions, then you are not seeing what is behind the mirror … er, otherness.  me thinks this “reality is a mirror” is a really stupid meme. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-16 15:36:30 [item 19980#45768]
LOL … better check in with zen and many other systems, I believe even Steiner, before you go bashing that reality is a mirror idea. It is an old and valued one that still works today. That’s one hell of a thread to unravel if you choose to try.
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 06:41:32 [item 19980#45800]
well i actually i have been all over this mirror meme … studying it from all directions … and quite know what Steiner and others are talking about … no newbe here.  However I am seeing the situation in a finer detail than the way most philosophers talk.   Perception is more captured, from a broad perspective, as representation … yet perception is also partially created from within, that is where you get the reflection.  when i get a moment, i may will diagram this and you could see what i am talking about.  Most of this has already been dealt with by many philosophers of mind, Steiner amoung them … and what i say here does not deviate from that.  I think, however, that i can draw a diagram which clearly shows the relationship between the representation part of perception and the reflection part … me thinks, people all to frequently confuse them. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 06:58:05 [item 19980#45808]
No diagram necessary. I understand your reference. It is a practical matter. When you see the external as a reflection in a mirror, you look internally and at yourself for change instead of attempting to manipulate others to get what you want … as you don’t try and manipulate the image in a mirror, you manipulate your hand. Since this is how you actually create your reality, the mode of thought to manifestation, so it is a better way to focus on any problem.
well yes, that is exactly the choice.  the part of the image of the outside that you can change … what you call your reflection … is created by your subjective being.   the more you see that, and change that, the more subjective you are being, and the less of what is actually happening outside you will perceive.   to best perceive what is happening outside, that subjective reflections must recede.  Or not.  Your choice of course.

You assume, you must be in the sole creator of your experiences.  ← You have said that zillions of times in zillions of ways.   Given that assumption, yes, then you will need to either “manipulate others to get what you want” … or as you say, “change the reflection of their image by moving your hands” … er, still sounds like manipulation to me . 

But alternatively → you can assume that you are not the sole creator of your experiences.  Then, if you still must  “get what you want”, you can “change what you want” rather than changing (by whatever means) a subjective reflection.   That way has the advantage of being better able to see aspects of others quite independent from yourself … you know, the way they actually are. 

Holmes says
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 07:36:46 [item 19980#45816]
What is in the mirror does not go away unless you close your eyes. It is highly effective to use grids and other means to change your thoughts and state of being to change what you see in the mirror, just like moving your hand instead of the hand in the mirror. Attempting to change what is in the mirror and through the process ending up moving your thoughts has effects, but is less controllable. In either case, what you see in the mirror is still your experience, it is still what happens … you can only remove that if you close your eyes. You can have more effect, or less effect, depending on what you focus on to change. It is your choice, the experience will remain.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-17 08:12:44 [item 19980#45840]
There are mirrors & there are mirrrors – a mirror is a mirror is a mirror (paraphrasing Gertrude Stein) – what’s mirrors are 1 degree of separation removed. !
What mirrors are one degree of separation removed? Simple. Those observed though ego identities. The ego has an important function, but experiencing your reality through one as an identity is exactly that, one degree of separation removed.

Seth says
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 07:36:46 [item 19980#45816]
What is in the mirror does not go away unless you close your eyes. It is highly effective to use grids and other means to change your thoughts and state of being to change what you see in the mirror, just like moving your hand instead of the hand in the mirror. Attempting to change what is in the mirror and through the process ending up moving your thoughts has effects, but is less controllable. In either case, what you see in the mirror is still your experience, it is still what happens … you can only remove that if you close your eyes. You can have more effect, or less effect, depending on what you focus on to change. It is your choice, the experience will remain.
i think your model is quite different than the one i would have drawn … which is why I would have needed to draw mine, were we to talk about the same things. Especially when you say, “What is in the mirror does not go away unless you close your eyes”, which is using physical mirroring as the model.   In the model i was talking about, when you close your eyes, you still have that part of the perception that you have created ← which is what i called the reflection.  So it is hard for me to understand the thrust of the rest of your paragraph. 

All that i get here from you, is that, it is all just about the control.  That assumption is so firm that you will not even contemplate that it is only an assumption.  My point being, that the more you control the perception, the less otherness, you will see.  Me thinks that is almost a law of the universe … i even think there might be a mathematical formula for it, Heisenberg or something.     But this being a bit of fresh thought out loud, i am not going to do do the research inside this little tiny box laugh.

Mark de LA says
Mark of group mark 2016-02-17 08:41:28 [item 19980#45846]
Try an old fashioned high-noon fast draw with you & your mirror & see who  WINS laughing
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 08:55:12 [item 19980#45851]
or maybe the famous scene from midnight cowboy … really the whole movie was about it … but there was one scene where he was looking in the mirror and spun around to see if he could catch himself looking … sorry not in this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz6GzKWiIAs
ponderingpoint be lost againcrying

Seth says
Mark of group mark 2016-02-17 10:53:06 [item 19980#45872]
Was hoping for a discourse between Galileo, Donatello, Seth & Bozo & maybe Cain & Abel thumbs upidea
Bozo of group seth 2016-02-17 11:01:54 [item 19980#45874]
i don’t know if Donatello and Galileo can talk to each other.
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 11:05:55 [item 19980#45876]
I can only channel one pattern at a time.
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 11:06:42 [item 19980#45877]
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Bozo Faust of group seth 2016-02-17 11:55:18 [item 19980#45887]
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Holmes says
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 08:44:48 [item 19980#45847]
Rearranging the aspects of the analogy, physical or not etc, doesn’t substantially change anything.

Otherness is what you see. It is your experience. There is your desire, there is your guidance/excitement, and there is your experience/otherness. If you focus closer to your desire and guidance than you do to your experience, then what you experience changes differently than if you focus closer to the experience. It is a continuum too, not a switch that is one or the other. The mirror analogy allows you to choose to put your will in a spot where your experience ends up matching your desires better. That’s all. It is only a map, not the territory. You can place your will there, or not too. It is a choice. It works as it does, the question is, what result do you want?
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 09:13:34 [item 19980#45856]
otherness is not what you see.  it is not your experience.  Nathan, by definition … don’t forget i defined what this term means … see otherness.  

 “If you focus closer to your desire and guidance than you do to your experience, then what you experience changes differently than if you focus closer to the experience.”  hangs together well  … i’d say it more like, “if you focus on what you want, rather than on what is happening that you don't want, then you will be more likely to get what you want.” ….   Or, depending on the situation, if you focus on what you want rather than on what is happening in front of your face, you will doubtlessly be missing out on a whole lot of what is happening with others. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 09:30:17 [item 19980#45857]
You know that we disagree on that. The day you can show me a difference, perhaps we won’t. Until then, I see absolutely no difference between what I experience and what you call otherness. They represent themselves exactly the same to me. The way you define otherness is not based on something you experience, it is things you make up about there being things beyond your experience and then you go back and explain things you do experience with those made up things. Show me anything else. Where is it? Point to it in your experience.

 
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 09:51:24 [item 19980#45860]
well of course, there is no way for me to point out otherness in your experience, … er, otherwise it would not be otherness.   You will never be able to understand this as long as you assume that your experience is the entire universe.  With that assumption in your mind, your are absolutely undoubtedly right, there is no difference, and there is no otherness. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 09:58:55 [item 19980#45861]
Well, by all accounts our experiences are similar in this respect. You and I and “others” report the same kinds of experiences. So apparently it doesn’t matter if I choose to believe otherness and experience are the same or you choose to believe things outside of experience are otherness. Both viewpoints appear to create the same reported happenings. So I will stick with the belief that is directly supported by my experience. It is simpler, and using it allows me to have more interesting maps, like the mirror one, and the holodeck one, both of which lead me to very interesting territory that you don’t venture to.
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 10:12:35 [item 19980#45864]
Well experience and feelings and even what happens are quite different, just according to how you choose your view on this.  I can tell that by observing you from your outside.  But i am not lobbying for you to change your view on this … i have no such agenda … i you just the way you are. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 10:19:41 [item 19980#45867]
Cool. You too!

You now put emotions in the mix. They are different. They are vibrational senses. They represent a different aspect of experience, our vibrational connection to something beyond what we experience with the rest of our senses, and most of us use them to color the experience we do have. I say they are telling us the variance between what we are thinking and what we are experiencing, thus allowing us to bring both of those into better synchronization. Hence one of the primary emotions, excitement, being a guide when we are presented with a choice, telling us which choice will bring the more desired happenings.
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 10:39:55 [item 19980#45869]
i think there are lots of differences that can be experienced.  after i discovered otherness lots of things changed for me … feelings, thoughts, and deeds.  but now i am personally more interested in populations and groups of people.    and how what happens among them change were most of them actually feel and believe the entire thrust that others share their universe … or alternatively that they do not. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 11:10:24 [item 19980#45879]
I do not know what you experienced in discovering otherness. I have always experienced otherness. If I want otherness to be different, I change myself, my point of being, and otherness changes. If I don’t want otherness to change, I simply interact with otherness and enjoy the happenings.
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 11:20:38 [item 19980#45880]
bit of confusion going on here:  … remember,  according to my definition: nobody experiences otherness.   So when you say,  “I have always experienced otherness”, you must be talking about something different.

and i am talking above about “wanting otherness to be different” … that was not the difference you ask me to point out. 

but hey, i am with you  interacting with otherness and enjoying the happenings yessmileyheart … totally totally totally … something to jump about indeed smug
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 11:23:49 [item 19980#45881]
Otherness = all those fleshy bags of mostly water running around my verse … and everything else out there they play with and observe. In summary, my experience.
Bozo Faust of group seth 2016-02-17 11:27:07 [item 19980#45882]
sigh … like i said … i have defined what this string, “otherness”, means to me when i use it.  If you want it to mean something else, then our talking together will be confused … like trains passing in the night on different tracks. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 11:31:19 [item 19980#45883]
I just read your stuff one more time on otherness. I see no difference. You put a different word here or there in a different place. Use some poetry, which is nice. Substantially, you are describing the same thing I am, experience. If you want to see it as different, that’s okay with me … then I guess we can retire this train and do other(ness) things.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-17 11:40:37 [item 19980#45884]
Weird how 2- I am’s – are off talking to eachother & the humans attached ignore eachother . rose
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 11:48:56 [item 19980#45885]
Doesn’t seem so weird to me if you look at how many pen names you have carried over from fbi1.

As to channeling, it is very similar to quantum jumping, you should try it.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-17 11:51:57 [item 19980#45886]
laughingpoint missed again! how easy an Ego (I am) missses things crying
Yes. When one is using ego identities to dance with experience, there are a lot of mis-steps. I get that. But your on the floor, so we will do our best, okay?

Seth says
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 08:44:48 [item 19980#45847]
Rearranging the aspects of the analogy, physical or not etc, doesn’t substantially change anything.

Otherness is what you see. It is your experience. There is your desire, there is your guidance/excitement, and there is your experience/otherness. If you focus closer to your desire and guidance than you do to your experience, then what you experience changes differently than if you focus closer to the experience. It is a continuum too, not a switch that is one or the other. The mirror analogy allows you to choose to put your will in a spot where your experience ends up matching your desires better. That’s all. It is only a map, not the territory. You can place your will there, or not too. It is a choice. It works as it does, the question is, what result do you want?
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 09:13:34 [item 19980#45856]
otherness is not what you see.  it is not your experience.  Nathan, by definition … don’t forget i defined what this term means … see otherness.  

 “If you focus closer to your desire and guidance than you do to your experience, then what you experience changes differently than if you focus closer to the experience.”  hangs together well  … i’d say it more like, “if you focus on what you want, rather than on what is happening that you don't want, then you will be more likely to get what you want.” ….   Or, depending on the situation, if you focus on what you want rather than on what is happening in front of your face, you will doubtlessly be missing out on a whole lot of what is happening with others. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 09:30:17 [item 19980#45857]
You know that we disagree on that. The day you can show me a difference, perhaps we won’t. Until then, I see absolutely no difference between what I experience and what you call otherness. They represent themselves exactly the same to me. The way you define otherness is not based on something you experience, it is things you make up about there being things beyond your experience and then you go back and explain things you do experience with those made up things. Show me anything else. Where is it? Point to it in your experience.

 
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 09:51:24 [item 19980#45860]
well of course, there is no way for me to point out otherness in your experience, … er, otherwise it would not be otherness.   You will never be able to understand this as long as you assume that your experience is the entire universe.  With that assumption in your mind, your are absolutely undoubtedly right, there is no difference, and there is no otherness. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 09:58:55 [item 19980#45861]
Well, by all accounts our experiences are similar in this respect. You and I and “others” report the same kinds of experiences. So apparently it doesn’t matter if I choose to believe otherness and experience are the same or you choose to believe things outside of experience are otherness. Both viewpoints appear to create the same reported happenings. So I will stick with the belief that is directly supported by my experience. It is simpler, and using it allows me to have more interesting maps, like the mirror one, and the holodeck one, both of which lead me to very interesting territory that you don’t venture to.
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 10:12:35 [item 19980#45864]
Well experience and feelings and even what happens are quite different, just according to how you choose your view on this.  I can tell that by observing you from your outside.  But i am not lobbying for you to change your view on this … i have no such agenda … i you just the way you are. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 10:19:41 [item 19980#45867]
Cool. You too!

You now put emotions in the mix. They are different. They are vibrational senses. They represent a different aspect of experience, our vibrational connection to something beyond what we experience with the rest of our senses, and most of us use them to color the experience we do have. I say they are telling us the variance between what we are thinking and what we are experiencing, thus allowing us to bring both of those into better synchronization. Hence one of the primary emotions, excitement, being a guide when we are presented with a choice, telling us which choice will bring the more desired happenings.
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 10:39:55 [item 19980#45869]
i think there are lots of differences that can be experienced.  after i discovered otherness lots of things changed for me … feelings, thoughts, and deeds.  but now i am personally more interested in populations and groups of people.    and how what happens among them change were most of them actually feel and believe the entire thrust that others share their universe … or alternatively that they do not. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 11:10:24 [item 19980#45879]
I do not know what you experienced in discovering otherness. I have always experienced otherness. If I want otherness to be different, I change myself, my point of being, and otherness changes. If I don’t want otherness to change, I simply interact with otherness and enjoy the happenings.
seth of group seth 2016-02-17 11:20:38 [item 19980#45880]
bit of confusion going on here:  … remember,  according to my definition: nobody experiences otherness.   So when you say,  “I have always experienced otherness”, you must be talking about something different.

and i am talking above about “wanting otherness to be different” … that was not the difference you ask me to point out. 

but hey, i am with you  interacting with otherness and enjoying the happenings yessmileyheart … totally totally totally … something to jump about indeed smug
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 11:23:49 [item 19980#45881]
Otherness = all those fleshy bags of mostly water running around my verse … and everything else out there they play with and observe. In summary, my experience.
Bozo Faust of group seth 2016-02-17 11:27:07 [item 19980#45882]
sigh … like i said … i have defined what this string, “otherness”, means to me when i use it.  If you want it to mean something else, then our talking together will be confused … like trains passing in the night on different tracks. 
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 11:31:19 [item 19980#45883]
I just read your stuff one more time on otherness. I see no difference. You put a different word here or there in a different place. Use some poetry, which is nice. Substantially, you are describing the same thing I am, experience. If you want to see it as different, that’s okay with me … then I guess we can retire this train and do other(ness) things.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-17 11:40:37 [item 19980#45884]
Weird how 2- I am’s – are off talking to eachother & the humans attached ignore eachother . rose
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 11:48:56 [item 19980#45885]
Doesn’t seem so weird to me if you look at how many pen names you have carried over from fbi1.

As to channeling, it is very similar to quantum jumping, you should try it.
Mark of group mark 2016-02-17 11:51:57 [item 19980#45886]
laughingpoint missed again! how easy an Ego (I am) missses things crying
The Wizzard of Fastb of group seth 2016-02-17 11:59:32 [item 19980#45891]
wizzard too bad … looked like a nice train of thought going there … now it has decayed into static sad
Donatello of group da 2016-02-17 12:01:07 [item 19980#45892]
Just feeding time. Mark got hungry, or, er, his ego identity of the moment did.
Be compassionate. You wouldn’t deny Denise a good meal would you?
laugh … probably not ...she is getting chili … see thought 20000 … but i was talking here so long, now she is going to get hungry before it is done.  oh my oh my oh my ...

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