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About: no such thing: 77

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The permanent URI of group seth is not http://www.fastblogit.com/77 , rather it is http://fastblogit.com/seth … or even perhaps http://www.fastblogit.com/seth .   Remember according to the inventor of the web “Cool Uri Don’t Change”.   And, me, i got a cool uri … and guess what, if you get a group in a thinking domanin, you get one too. 


 

Note that all hyperlink references to my blog will eventually be corrected to go to my cool uri and not the internal identifier as they do at the moment.  Please do not copy or  publish or share  this internal identification number anywhere, it is for internal use here at fastblogit only.  Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Seth says
incidentally i could accept that a newbie not get their alias in there url immediately.   don’t like it, but i could accept it.   it could work if there is a clear and simple path that could be clearly explained in the welcome letter of how they can obtain their url. 

but already established authors and authors who have their “alias” in there url, must be hyperlinked to that url wherever a hyperlink appears in the domain.

Holmes says
seth of group seth 2016-02-20 05:58:13 [item 20055#46162]
incidentally,  what you call “alias” is usually called “username” all over the web.  i have seen no website ever call it “alias”.
I have, many times. Although Facebook calls it nickname. And really, it is not username. That’s something else.

Si says
It is no longer supported.

Si says
seth of group seth 2016-02-20 22:37:53 [item 20055#46235]
what is no longer supported?
The subject of this thought.

Seth says
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 05:24:21 [item 20055#46249]
Well thanks for making  my author hyperlinks consistent … now they all go to  http://www.fastblogit.com/seth smileyheart
Gandalf of group da 2016-02-21 05:30:50 [item 20055#46250]
Yes, your welcome. No such thing 77 is no longer supported on your account. The switch is flipped, which is a quad entry, that makes your profile group a gold group, or master group, or whatever you want to call a group with a dedicated text permalink.

 
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 05:33:43 [item 20055#46251]
hmmm …

who can write such a quad and where can they write it?
Gandalf of group da 2016-02-21 05:38:30 [item 20055#46252]
One way is during sign up. The cooper sign up form is configured to flip it because they are given simple name based profile groups that will never change.

For normal apprentice accounts, like newbie2, it will be dependent on the site and what the master of games for the site decrees is “the way” or ways.
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 05:48:18 [item 20055#46253]
well in the case of fastblogit  at the moment it should be my personal discrescion.  So i would expect that these quads would be visable and writeable by me.  Perhaps in group administrators or group domain … still not sure why we need two differnet groups there. 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-21 05:51:59 [item 20055#46254]
Once rights are fully integrated and there is a rights editor, which is a huge project btw if rights of the person using it control what they can change. Then, two groups may not be needed. Right now, the administrators group was the only way to firmly control dangerous features.
hmmm …

now it seems to me that each higher role should have their group.   this might simplify the rights editor.

guests dont have such a goup uness it is group funnypages ...or any other world open group.

novices who sign on … well just any open group in the domain.

apprentices would have a group

authors woud have a group

masters would have a group … and have access there to the tools of curating … this maybe was what you refered to as gold members …. here there would be access to changing the quads of authors

administrators might have a group where they could change the quads of masters

and finally only domain owners would have their group.

each higher group could change the privileges of the roles beneath them.

what do you think?

 

Si says
Well, an individual can be given rights in a group, and a group can have default rights for all users … that’s in my quads table definition (which you can see there) and I tested it though nothing is using it yet. So yes, it would be possible to have groups that defined roles and even to block some individuals from gaining those rights in that group.

This would work and yes, be easier than a one-stop location for doing things like editing rights or controlling domain things. It does require “more” role groups though, not less, which is the opposite direction to the one you have been traveling in so far.   And it would be far easier to set up these role groups if it is assumed that only an administrator can do so, i.e. not trying to create sub administrators that can edit some rights, but not others. That is still the hard thing to do in any model.

And no, gold member just is someone who gets a self chosen text based permalink for their profile group, has nothing to do with rights or anything else.

Seth says
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 05:24:21 [item 20055#46249]
Well thanks for making  my author hyperlinks consistent … now they all go to  http://www.fastblogit.com/seth smileyheart
Gandalf of group da 2016-02-21 05:30:50 [item 20055#46250]
Yes, your welcome. No such thing 77 is no longer supported on your account. The switch is flipped, which is a quad entry, that makes your profile group a gold group, or master group, or whatever you want to call a group with a dedicated text permalink.

 
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 05:33:43 [item 20055#46251]
hmmm …

who can write such a quad and where can they write it?
Gandalf of group da 2016-02-21 05:38:30 [item 20055#46252]
One way is during sign up. The cooper sign up form is configured to flip it because they are given simple name based profile groups that will never change.

For normal apprentice accounts, like newbie2, it will be dependent on the site and what the master of games for the site decrees is “the way” or ways.
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 05:48:18 [item 20055#46253]
well in the case of fastblogit  at the moment it should be my personal discrescion.  So i would expect that these quads would be visable and writeable by me.  Perhaps in group administrators or group domain … still not sure why we need two differnet groups there. 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-21 05:51:59 [item 20055#46254]
Once rights are fully integrated and there is a rights editor, which is a huge project btw if rights of the person using it control what they can change. Then, two groups may not be needed. Right now, the administrators group was the only way to firmly control dangerous features.
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 06:09:09 [item 20055#46255]
hmmm …

now it seems to me that each higher role should have their group.   this might simplify the rights editor.

guests dont have such a goup uness it is group funnypages ...or any other world open group.

novices who sign on … well just any open group in the domain.

apprentices would have a group

authors woud have a group

masters would have a group … and have access there to the tools of curating … this maybe was what you refered to as gold members …. here there would be access to changing the quads of authors

administrators might have a group where they could change the quads of masters

and finally only domain owners would have their group.

each higher group could change the privileges of the roles beneath them.

what do you think?

 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-21 07:41:11 [item 20055#46265]
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MR of group mark 2016-02-21 07:44:49 [item 20055#46267]
back to hierarchies .. possibility of losing touch with lowerarchies see also thisponderinglaughing
dA of group da 2016-02-21 07:48:32 [item 20055#46268]
Still waiting for your alternative proposal. So far you have only proposed liking fbi1, which was total anarchy and would have not been able to evolve features beyond what it had … and even what it had would not have held together with a lot of people using it. So there you go … what is your golden rule structure?
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 07:51:53 [item 20055#46270]
Still waiting for the wizzard or someone with who writes with clarity to mentograph how it works or is proposed to work cool
dA of group da 2016-02-21 07:53:53 [item 20055#46271]
What for? Design with clarity what you desire, and write it out or mentograph it. Lets see what you have up your sleeve. Doesn’t matter what is up ours, it will just work, that’s how we do things here.
anyway i think the way plugins can be installed in any thought, which can be put in any group, with rights assigned to anything via quads, has given us an amazingly flexible system that can be adapted well to whatever we call upon it to do yes

…. kudos to tigger heart

Seth says
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 08:09:10 [item 20055#46274]
hierarchical control is of course the traditional game that is played with such power mechanisms.  yet it is not the only one that we can play … nor does the same game need be played at every level of structure.  i think we are on the right path here yes
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 08:16:00 [item 20055#46277]
demonstration is key … 
yes

i think a fixed monograph of rights could only capture a specific application of the system we have here.   this feels more like lego blocks … we can build whatever with them. 

Seth says
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 05:24:21 [item 20055#46249]
Well thanks for making  my author hyperlinks consistent … now they all go to  http://www.fastblogit.com/seth smileyheart
Gandalf of group da 2016-02-21 05:30:50 [item 20055#46250]
Yes, your welcome. No such thing 77 is no longer supported on your account. The switch is flipped, which is a quad entry, that makes your profile group a gold group, or master group, or whatever you want to call a group with a dedicated text permalink.

 
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 05:33:43 [item 20055#46251]
hmmm …

who can write such a quad and where can they write it?
Gandalf of group da 2016-02-21 05:38:30 [item 20055#46252]
One way is during sign up. The cooper sign up form is configured to flip it because they are given simple name based profile groups that will never change.

For normal apprentice accounts, like newbie2, it will be dependent on the site and what the master of games for the site decrees is “the way” or ways.
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 05:48:18 [item 20055#46253]
well in the case of fastblogit  at the moment it should be my personal discrescion.  So i would expect that these quads would be visable and writeable by me.  Perhaps in group administrators or group domain … still not sure why we need two differnet groups there. 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-21 05:51:59 [item 20055#46254]
Once rights are fully integrated and there is a rights editor, which is a huge project btw if rights of the person using it control what they can change. Then, two groups may not be needed. Right now, the administrators group was the only way to firmly control dangerous features.
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 06:09:09 [item 20055#46255]
hmmm …

now it seems to me that each higher role should have their group.   this might simplify the rights editor.

guests dont have such a goup uness it is group funnypages ...or any other world open group.

novices who sign on … well just any open group in the domain.

apprentices would have a group

authors woud have a group

masters would have a group … and have access there to the tools of curating … this maybe was what you refered to as gold members …. here there would be access to changing the quads of authors

administrators might have a group where they could change the quads of masters

and finally only domain owners would have their group.

each higher group could change the privileges of the roles beneath them.

what do you think?

 
nathan of group nathan 2016-02-21 07:41:11 [item 20055#46265]
?
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 07:44:49 [item 20055#46267]
back to hierarchies .. possibility of losing touch with lowerarchies see also thisponderinglaughing
dA of group da 2016-02-21 07:48:32 [item 20055#46268]
Still waiting for your alternative proposal. So far you have only proposed liking fbi1, which was total anarchy and would have not been able to evolve features beyond what it had … and even what it had would not have held together with a lot of people using it. So there you go … what is your golden rule structure?
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 07:51:53 [item 20055#46270]
Still waiting for the wizzard or someone with who writes with clarity to mentograph how it works or is proposed to work cool
dA of group da 2016-02-21 07:53:53 [item 20055#46271]
What for? Design with clarity what you desire, and write it out or mentograph it. Lets see what you have up your sleeve. Doesn’t matter what is up ours, it will just work, that’s how we do things here.
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 08:02:26 [item 20055#46272]
Well if the whizzards of design & coding won’t or can’t do it why would I want to reinvent a wheel for them? My passion is not coding nor even testing anymore. indecision 
dA of group da 2016-02-21 08:11:34 [item 20055#46276]
What is your passion then? From afar, it seems to be pontificating and arm chair directing, with a strong bent toward ferreting out any microscopic imperfections irrespective of the whole. What is your passion? What do you “do”, or are your days of doing done?
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 08:17:49 [item 20055#46278]
yep samo-samo … not rolling on that one again for dA tuit ← weng
mark, while i personally cannot tell what you have contibuted to this thread, … you certainly have successfully framed what seemed like was happening within your subjective concers to which i really have no access. 

consequently this thread is closed.

Holmes says
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 08:09:10 [item 20055#46274]
hierarchical control is of course the traditional game that is played with such power mechanisms.  yet it is not the only one that we can play … nor does the same game need be played at every level of structure.  i think we are on the right path here yes
dA of group da 2016-02-21 08:19:10 [item 20055#46279]
thank you. It went astray at floodles until they were no longer manageable. Too much trying to stop MRE’s and trying to please the needs of others, not just you, Gerald and others influenced what was needed. May have gotten it mostly right this time by simply ignoring people when it didn’t feel right. Would like to redo floodles in a similar way to how groups and rights work here.
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 08:20:30 [item 20055#46281]
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MR of group mark 2016-02-21 08:29:27 [item 20055#46282]
KEWL – talk among yourselves you will find a willing group there – kinda like LOA – channel eachother .yesrose
Yea. LOA is spreading exponentially across the planet. A non-religious based way to understand the multiverse that requires personal doing and discovery rather than thinking about it or accepting authority in order to become a knowledgeable member. Sounds good to me!

Seth says
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 08:30:26 [item 20055#46284]
hierarchical nazism !
heirichical control is what it is.   for who is permitted to do what, in terms of a practical website like this, what otherwise are you proposing mark?

Seth says
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 08:09:10 [item 20055#46274]
hierarchical control is of course the traditional game that is played with such power mechanisms.  yet it is not the only one that we can play … nor does the same game need be played at every level of structure.  i think we are on the right path here yes
dA of group da 2016-02-21 08:19:10 [item 20055#46279]
thank you. It went astray at floodles until they were no longer manageable. Too much trying to stop MRE’s and trying to please the needs of others, not just you, Gerald and others influenced what was needed. May have gotten it mostly right this time by simply ignoring people when it didn’t feel right. Would like to redo floodles in a similar way to how groups and rights work here.
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 08:20:30 [item 20055#46281]
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MR of group mark 2016-02-21 08:29:27 [item 20055#46282]
KEWL – talk among yourselves you will find a willing group there – kinda like LOA – channel eachother .yesrose
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 08:32:46 [item 20055#46285]
i think what we need, for the current comment structure to work and give the thought owner some conrol of how his thought evolves is … the ability to unbundel the last comment … isolate it from the thread. 
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 08:34:38 [item 20055#46286]
Yeah – easier to censor opposing views – no different than M$M politics. yeslaugh
dA of group da 2016-02-21 08:39:35 [item 20055#46289]
I actually do that all the time. Usually when I hit the wrong button and thread something I was not wanting to. But of course, I have to do it in the SQL console. It’s very easy since the last block is not deleted but only marked for deletion … unmarking it does the trick. But unmarking a Mark so that the Mark does not feel Marxism is quite another matter.
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 08:43:02 [item 20055#46290]
so if a person with the right to do it, could click a button on the thread, which would send the last comment on the thread to its own new thread, is a distinct possiblity?
dA of group da 2016-02-21 08:56:51 [item 20055#46292]
Yes. Also forking a closed thread, unwrapping more than just the last comment, and many other things are possible, like turning a comment into a thought. But I really don’t plan to do much more right now. I would rather wait until threaded comments are redone as atoms then apply these ideas.
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Seth says
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 08:11:10 [item 20055#46275]
I like this site discovered this AM can input a word & get all it’s synonyms or antonyms in lists.  This is the one for the antonyms of flexibility  & you can click on it & get the ones for flexibility . thumbs up
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 08:56:01 [item 20055#46291]
We all know  how flexibility and freedom feels, and how it changes the environment in which we live.   And we know how the strengh and power of structure feels too and how it works against that and balances it. 

It is not one or the other that we seek … rather a balance between them.

What are you really saying here, Mark? … what are you proposing? … what are you feeling is right or wrong? … so far i can’t get a handle on it.
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:16:02 [item 20055#46294]
Use the Golden Rule – nobody likes to be censored
– the tower of Babel notwithstanding;  the one-ended rainbow notwithstanding; the Tao stands up pretty well . thumbs up
Ultimate flexibility nets down to the fact that you are using php, javascript, JSON etc … at some point behavior can use a bit of specification & testing or the real customers eat it & then Darwin takes over for your investments & enterprise – if any. 
BTW, I described my current passion as projective geometry as a means of enlightenment before the rwginningup of dA’ s doing already-always anti-math-do-something-negativity rolled on. Not a mystery. (I even disclosed my value system root – though not necessarily my current one.)   Probably projective geo will not have giant profile on fbi2½ …. except fbi is a good place for me to keep notes & track my projects. I don’t need an admiration selfie society to support it – it is what it IS. As long as you folks don’t destroy my former residue on such & other aligned residue I will be happy. coolrose
indecision

Mark de LA says
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:22:48 [item 20055#46297]
too bad the site mentioned -antonyms vs synonyms got lost in the axe-grinding. 
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:26:56 [item 20055#46298]
didn’t get lost … i saw it … might be a great tool to use.  if you want to use it frequently,  i would advise a bookmark in an appropriately tagged thought, rather than relying on finding it in a search of comments or even a google.
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:32:12 [item 20055#46299]
You forked-off the attraction repulsion link . https://www.powerthesaurus.org/attraction/synonyms 
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:34:50 [item 20055#46300]
huh?   i deleted nothing.   Is this a complaint?  Where does it hurt?
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:37:07 [item 20055#46301]
I re-edited the too bad ….. coment to include the attraction link but it disappeared – that’s all – looks like a forking thingy or not  bug or not – not worth devoting time to figure it out – I put a bandaid on it – not hurting anymore you got the link now anyway
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:40:14 [item 20055#46302]
hmmm …  you may have discovered a bug … my last editing of comment #46300 also got lost … er “forked away”.  
a clue I can offer is that after I edited it I messed with the do not thread thingy – not sure exactly what I did – it looked OK after I saved it but did not contain the do not fork attribute but an “edit” ….

Holmes says
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:22:48 [item 20055#46297]
too bad the site mentioned -antonyms vs synonyms got lost in the axe-grinding. 
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:26:56 [item 20055#46298]
didn’t get lost … i saw it … might be a great tool to use.  if you want to use it frequently,  i would advise a bookmark in an appropriately tagged thought, rather than relying on finding it in a search of comments or even a google.
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:32:12 [item 20055#46299]
You forked-off the attraction repulsion link . https://www.powerthesaurus.org/attraction/synonyms 
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:34:50 [item 20055#46300]
huh?   i deleted nothing.   Is this a complaint?  Where does it hurt?
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:37:07 [item 20055#46301]
I re-edited the too bad ….. coment to include the attraction link but it disappeared – that’s all – looks like a forking thingy or not  bug or not – not worth devoting time to figure it out – I put a bandaid on it – not hurting anymore you got the link now anyway
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:40:14 [item 20055#46302]
hmmm …  you may have discovered a bug … my last editing of comment #46300 also got lost … er “forked away”.  
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:44:47 [item 20055#46303]
… or maybe we are saying that extensive editing in a active thread is not a good idea.
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:48:33 [item 20055#46305]
some way to know if or how many are editing the same thread laughing
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:50:40 [item 20055#46306]
well i know when sombody is writing or not and on which thought.  that is a pretty good indication that an edit might get forked away.
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:55:14 [item 20055#46307]
How do you know that? 
LOL … still hasn’t figured that out has he.

Seth says
dA of group da 2016-02-21 10:00:15 [item 20055#46310]
The “stalking featue” has been there for over a month. I wanted to see how long it would take Mark to find it. Apparently Seth broke down and had to prompt Mark to ask. laughing
yes that is what happened

Holmes says
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:22:48 [item 20055#46297]
too bad the site mentioned -antonyms vs synonyms got lost in the axe-grinding. 
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:26:56 [item 20055#46298]
didn’t get lost … i saw it … might be a great tool to use.  if you want to use it frequently,  i would advise a bookmark in an appropriately tagged thought, rather than relying on finding it in a search of comments or even a google.
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:32:12 [item 20055#46299]
You forked-off the attraction repulsion link . https://www.powerthesaurus.org/attraction/synonyms 
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:34:50 [item 20055#46300]
huh?   i deleted nothing.   Is this a complaint?  Where does it hurt?
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:37:07 [item 20055#46301]
I re-edited the too bad ….. coment to include the attraction link but it disappeared – that’s all – looks like a forking thingy or not  bug or not – not worth devoting time to figure it out – I put a bandaid on it – not hurting anymore you got the link now anyway
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:40:14 [item 20055#46302]
hmmm …  you may have discovered a bug … my last editing of comment #46300 also got lost … er “forked away”.  
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:44:47 [item 20055#46303]
… or maybe we are saying that extensive editing in a active thread is not a good idea.
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:48:33 [item 20055#46305]
some way to know if or how many are editing the same thread laughing
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:50:40 [item 20055#46306]
well i know when sombody is writing or not and on which thought.  that is a pretty good indication that an edit might get forked away.
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 09:55:14 [item 20055#46307]
How do you know that? 
seth of group seth 2016-02-21 09:56:50 [item 20055#46309]
the pen on the chat for each person and mouse over on their name.
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 10:00:46 [item 20055#46311]
Chat boxes are irritating unless chatting – don’t use them much.
dA of group da 2016-02-21 10:01:40 [item 20055#46313]
I leave mine up, but minimized, all the time. So I can stalk you.
MR of group mark 2016-02-21 10:03:27 [item 20055#46314]
I feel stalked.   laughing can you see the gesture I’m showing right now?
Of course! Why do you think I write software instead of using it?

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