Open groups depreciated.

Open groups are being phased out.


In their place is a new checkbox on group settings for all closed groups.



Checking this will allow other domain authors (but not guests) to create thoughts in your group.
This is not the same as giving out the password to another author.
Being able to think in a group simply gives you the ability to create, edit, and delete your own thoughts in that group. Nothing else. You cannot edit or delete others thoughts in that group and you cannot access group settings.

So this is a better way to “open a group”. It allows any full author in the domain to think in that group but without munging thoughts of others (no MRE). And the owner of the group can manage the group settings, something not possible in old style open groups.

The protocol even allows for the ability to exclude specific authors from creating thoughts in the group, but this feature will not be available until a rights editor can be created to manage it, other than by the prime origin and system developers who can manage rights quads directly.

At some future time it may become possible to limit your news and perhaps river views to only those groups you are a member of or have participated in by adding thoughts or commenting. That idea is still being thought out.

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Comments


Holmes says
MR of group mark 2016-02-24 12:05:44 [item 20130#46647]
Sounds reasonable yes Where do the old open groups go?
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 12:07:44 [item 20130#46648]
Not sure yet. Somehow they must become closed groups. There are only a handful now so I guess we just need you and Seth to claim the ones you want to curate and I’ll switch them over to you with the open thoughts turned on for them.
MR of group mark 2016-02-24 12:30:09 [item 20130#46649]
I presume the ones on the drop down list that are NOT bolded are open, eh? On mine that is:
 I will take
group economy
group logic
group philosophy
& group politics unless the wizzardobjects
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 12:32:41 [item 20130#46650]
That is true and sounds good. Name the group you want to borrow a password from and I will have the procedure copy it across from that group.
MR of group mark 2016-02-24 12:42:25 [item 20130#46651]
Okay. Should be good to go on those Mark.

Seth has the other 3 groups (ai, funnypages, and test) and the password for those is the same as fbi group password now.

Holmes says
Notes:
ai = 9
economy = 28
funnypages = 37
logic = 48
philosophy = 65
politics = 66
test = 87
 

Holmes says
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 13:03:39 [item 20130#46655]
ok of these i claim …

ai
logic

mark can have the rest.

Two groups in your list have special purposes that might impact …

funnypages – originally this was postable to even by guests.   so we need to decide how that is going to work going forward.   otherwise i claim it as i have always been the curator there.

test (sandbox) – was, i thought open not only for people to write in, but also to test out any other feature that they were learing or testing.   I am not sure how you want to allow that.   but if it is just open for others to post,  then i can claim it too.

 
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 13:05:21 [item 20130#46656]
It is done. You have funnypages, test, and ai. Same password as fbi.

Mark already claimed logic, you guys and duke that out.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 13:11:14 [item 20130#46659]
i made group logic originally i do believe.  i even wrote the only thought there now, the sticky header.
MR of group mark 2016-02-24 13:14:14 [item 20130#46660]
Yep, I deleted the rest or moved them.  I thought I asked Seth to delete the group. I hereby release any interest in it. group logic
Okay. Seth now has “logic”. Well, the group anyway.  

Password as is fbi’s.

Seth says
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 13:08:33 [item 20130#46657]
i still think we need at some point in time some place where people can go and see the groups, and even the personal groups, that are operating in the domain.   maybe that could be implemented as a stiky index thought in the river … maintained by the administrators.   i don’t know.  but it needs to be somwhere that is not hidden to newbies. 
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 13:15:22 [item 20130#46661]
That has existed for a long time. It’s in group domain at thought 19519.
If you have right-edit-scripts you will see the trashcan on it, but others should not.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 13:17:53 [item 20130#46663]
like i mentioned …. i needs to be somewhere where newbies can see what is here.   not somewhere one needs to know where it is to see it.  like eg, a stiky thought in the river.   kind of like the tag cloud is. 
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 13:20:29 [item 20130#46664]
in fact, as long as the Wizzard can curate  the index, separate from the tag cloud,  it could be in that very same stikey thought.
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 13:25:17 [item 20130#46666]
Well, the river is not yet a group. We have making riverable groups on the to do list but it is not done.

However, you have right-edit-scripts so you can “copy” the body of that thought anywhere else you like. Please don’t move it though.
i don’t know where “that thought” is.   …. is it thought 19803 ?

Seth says
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 13:08:33 [item 20130#46657]
i still think we need at some point in time some place where people can go and see the groups, and even the personal groups, that are operating in the domain.   maybe that could be implemented as a stiky index thought in the river … maintained by the administrators.   i don’t know.  but it needs to be somwhere that is not hidden to newbies. 
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 13:15:22 [item 20130#46661]
That has existed for a long time. It’s in group domain at thought 19519.
If you have right-edit-scripts you will see the trashcan on it, but others should not.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 13:17:53 [item 20130#46663]
like i mentioned …. i needs to be somewhere where newbies can see what is here.   not somewhere one needs to know where it is to see it.  like eg, a stiky thought in the river.   kind of like the tag cloud is. 
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 13:20:29 [item 20130#46664]
in fact, as long as the Wizzard can curate  the index, separate from the tag cloud,  it could be in that very same stikey thought.
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 13:25:17 [item 20130#46666]
Well, the river is not yet a group. We have making riverable groups on the to do list but it is not done.

However, you have right-edit-scripts so you can “copy” the body of that thought anywhere else you like. Please don’t move it though.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 13:42:37 [item 20130#46671]
i don’t know where “that thought” is.  
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 13:44:56 [item 20130#46672]
How so? It’s highlighted right up there in blue as a live reference. Kind of hard to miss?

But here it is again. thought 19519

It may not work after you copy it because it is the old style of plugin. But no problem, after you put a copy somewhere I will fix it.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 13:49:00 [item 20130#46674]
not what i had in mind …. that has way too much information in it … and is not for the unwashed minons ….  i will mock something up. 
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 13:49:35 [item 20130#46675]
Yep. Taht works.
see Proposed river sticky thought Plugin

Seth says
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 17:37:36 [item 20130#46722]
Another nice feature, which solves a caldron of problems, added and “closed”. There may be a few corner cases hanging out somewhere and they will be fixed when found. But for the most part, the feature is working smashingly!

An added bonus is that this feature touched all the code controlling who can edit a thought, so it’s all cleaned up now to be “the owner” and/or “other group memebers”. So those phantom can’t edit your own thoughts should all be gone now.

Have a thoughtful day!
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Holmes says
seth of group seth 2016-02-25 10:07:01 [item 20130#46804]
Even though we don’t define an open group now as one where the password is the same as the group name,  we still really have what we could continue to call “open groups” which are now defined as ones where any person can write a new thought.   I suggest we keep the term “open group” …. it is an important feature … and that is the best descriptive term that i can think to call it at the moment.
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