Proposed river sticky thought Plugin

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Seth says
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 14:02:54 [item 20135#46678]
Okay. But right now the river is not a group, it is a hard coded room. When the river can be a group you can curate the sticky thoughts on it yourself and there will be plugins you can throw on the thoughts for the tag cloud, group views, etc … with normal plugin configuration lists.

Hard coding all that and still not having it look the way it would have if you curated it is not worth the extra time.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 14:15:51 [item 20135#46684]

okay … not important now for fastblogit.

Alternatively you could allow the Wizzard to maintain the list under the persons sign on groups.  People, especially newbies, should be able to see it easily there.
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 14:19:23 [item 20135#46686]
That list was planned to return to the way it was … i.e. be the list of groups that allow thinking by others. It’s just that the changes haven’t propagated that far through the system yet. Not all wizards are going to want to do all this setup … so this whole area needs to be better thought out than just making everything wizardable.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 14:25:24 [item 20135#46689]
actually i don’t thinnk we want it to be just those groups that people click to allow others to post.  then in a democratic system we get the clutter that we have there now.  i’m really going with your gaminfying that list.   It needs to be a social process.   Ask the wizzard or earn a spot in that list.   Take a look at what it looks like to a newbe.  The only process that can compose that list is what the people who are running the domain want it to look like.   Trust me this is no big maintence job.   This at least should be a domain option.   Anyway i still like it in the river.  No rush … whenever it is there, it is there.  For the CoOp i can make a sticky thoughty index myself somewhere in a group … or even the welcome letter. 
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 14:32:35 [item 20135#46691]
Yes. That is better thinking!

Most of this “configurable” stuff will not be in the system, it will be in thoughts. All the system will have is optional quad entries for where to find the thought. Like right now in domain settings you will see the entry for where to find the thought the system uses to sign in with. Another domain setting can point to the thought containing a HTML list of items, or additional items, to show in various system lists like the go to group dialog. This way wizards can “add stuff” by adding settings that point to thoughts, but the developers don’t have to develop a bunch of screens and features for it … they only have to add a hook for it in the quads.
yes absolutely !

Seth says
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 14:13:48 [item 20135#46683]
Maybe you can use group fastblogit as your place for this stuff right now. Then maybe we can start on the plugins.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 14:17:34 [item 20135#46685]
its not so much where to put it … its where to put it so that new eyes will run into it. 
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 14:22:38 [item 20135#46687]
Well, isn’t the fastblogit group supposed to be highly visible? How is it to be so? What are the plans for that? I’m not personally planning in that area. I’m not a wizard. But I believe you already have a pointer to it on the welcome page for newbies so that’s probably the first place they will go.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 14:44:22 [item 20135#46696]
wherever this is, i don't want to just rely on people catching it in a welcome letter.  it is not a “just one chance to get it” kind of information.   in a way, this is the  master index of the open dialogue in the domain.
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 14:46:50 [item 20135#46697]
So how bout replacing the [?] button with something more interesting that features this and has the [?] link on the same menu. A menu of primary place here, including help.
that might work …. but i would put such an index in the first sticky thought that the “?” lands on, not a submenu.   shuks that is almost there now.  So yes that works for me yes.    thoug that might goof up how we propogate to new domains … group doc was planned as just the doc and not to have anything perculair to fastblogit. 

Seth says
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 14:13:48 [item 20135#46683]
Maybe you can use group fastblogit as your place for this stuff right now. Then maybe we can start on the plugins.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 14:17:34 [item 20135#46685]
its not so much where to put it … its where to put it so that new eyes will run into it. 
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 14:22:38 [item 20135#46687]
Well, isn’t the fastblogit group supposed to be highly visible? How is it to be so? What are the plans for that? I’m not personally planning in that area. I’m not a wizard. But I believe you already have a pointer to it on the welcome page for newbies so that’s probably the first place they will go.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 14:35:02 [item 20135#46692]
wherever this is, i don't want to just rely on people catching it in a welcome letter.  it is not a “just one chance to get it” kind of information.   It is in a way, the master index of the open dialogue in the domain.
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 14:43:29 [item 20135#46695]
Yes, well only so much will be practical at the top of the river even when it is a group, or the river will get lost way down the page. I think you need somewhere more obvious for that. Maybe make the [?] button a menu again with this on it too.
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Holmes says
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 14:24:21 [item 20135#46688]
Personally, the last place I would go would be the river. Not only because I find it redundant … everything there IS in the news if you have your news settings set correctly, but simply because I stay away from the high traffic areas of any site, or any city for that matter.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 14:31:14 [item 20135#46690]
i think that is just you … as you say.   also people get trained to go to the river by what people say about it and what they discover there.  people roam around a new website … where they see interesting things, they go back.  so fine, depreciate the river in your own eyes … but don’t depreciate it for thinking domains … unless or untill there is a place to discover the flow of thoughts in these domains.
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 14:36:54 [item 20135#46694]
Who’s depreciating anything? I say the river should be a group. Not only that, but any group should be riverizable. Then rivers can be something. As we have agreed many times, the current river will be useless once there are a handful of people here. It will just be a random crap shoot of the last 20 things to pass by. The real value will come with river groups.  
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 14:49:48 [item 20135#46698]
yeah basically.   but i am not so very sure about the river, even as defined now, not being interesting once there is an active domain … depends entirely on the contributions of the people and how coherent they are with each other.
Poe of group da 2016-02-24 14:56:56 [item 20135#46699]
Maybe. In specialized domains perhaps. But Facebook proved already that general rivers are not desirable. They put a lot of work into making their river configurable and usable when people started to leave FB due to the overwhelming clutter. Literally half the people I know well on FB left at some point for that very reason and some I talked into coming back after the new changes made the river there useful again. So that’s what I am talking about. Not my own preferences, I never even left FB. But a tried and true real world case study of something very similar.
seth of group seth 2016-02-24 15:10:22 [item 20135#46700]
guck … most of the edit of my last thought got deleted or forked and then deleted.   oh well.  this does happen a lot.  there was a lot of good thought put into that edit.

but i will leave this train now … something that we may get to … hard to predict eacctly how it will be in advance. 

thinking out loud coherently in rapid flows by a many people is not something that has ever been tried … even at facebook … twitter is closer but is even too open, not enough filtering and building of social trust and affinity … and hardly any component of deed.   me thinks it might be something new to human consciousness.   and it is hard to use what is happening now as a model of it.  ← there i said it … now forget it … this is for way later down the road.

 
Hummm. You should never loose anything even in a fork. I never have, ever. And I post here almost as much as you do. I have no idea why you would be loosing something.

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