Ever wanted ...

… to go back to the group when your on the news?

Now you can.

Ever wanted to just get to the group home without searching all over for one of those group reference on the bottom of a thought?

Now you can.

Ever wanted to just go home, not even sure where you are and where home is?

Now you can.

Found it! I have ALWAYS wanted this. Never was comfortable with there being no homeing ability on a group, except at the bottom of thoughts … who would think to look there?


  1. faq
  2. seritd
  3. otherness


Seth says
i faq’d this one … i can use this when i doc our SeriTD patented feature smug

Holmes says
MR of group mark 2016-03-01 14:21:32 [item 20224#47468]
will have to play with it.  In the news I want to chase an item comment on it & return to the news where I was – is that possible?
Will be. That will be fairly easy when news becomes a pulldown like it is at FB. That feature is behind other things that must happen first though. As you may have noticed (prolly not though) I work on things when they are ready to pop, and leave them alone, even if buggy, when they are not. That’s the tigger way.

Seth says
Poe of group da 2016-03-01 14:36:22 [item 20224#47473]
p.s. You probably didn’t know, but some time back I had to define a real group for you when you are out of group scope, like when you are in the river, or news, or search, or a tag room. This was necessary in order for things to work right after switching to unified users.

Now that is the group home. If you are out of group scope, it is simply the last real group you were in.

Seth says
Seth of group seth 2016-03-01 14:48:41 [item 20224#47479]

while you at it … let me mention something

the group that were ostensibley suppose to be the last groups i visited or something almost never end up being that.   what they actually represent continues to baffel me.  but whatever they are, then are usually not the groups i am looking to go back to. 

i mean come on … i havent been to administrators since real early in this  morning … but i just went to my own group several times and browsed it … yet it does not appear in the list. 

Poe of group da 2016-03-01 14:50:56 [item 20224#47480]
Hey, ask SeriTD! She has been asserting herself more and more these days. Might need to have a talk with her, or just see what kind of woman she becomes.
yes … hmmm … i may grow to heart this girl smug

Holmes says
seth of group seth 2016-03-01 15:39:40 [item 20224#47493]
incidentally im glad we are back in group fbi … felt kind of wierd getting all sandy in the box.

Seth says
seth of group seth 2016-03-01 16:37:21 [item 20224#47504]
why can we not pitch out teepee in a river tag room?
Poe of group da 2016-03-01 16:42:27 [item 20224#47505]
It was forcefully prevented back when groups worked a bit differently and it was causing problems. Now, it would probably be okay … but that would be directly impacted by the final decisions about how return thoughts are dealt with as well, for the river is in constant and turbulent motion and any pitching of a tent there would surely return you elsewhere when you went home. Is there a real need? I am not sure of that either. You can always dive upon a thought and have your way with it.
oh okay yes

Holmes says
seth of group seth 2016-03-01 17:12:08 [item 20224#47508]
incidentaly i now have a theory of what you thought you were proving to me.   You though that i doubted that we each create a image of others in our mind … and that we react to that image and not the person themselves.  ←   Well that is physholgoy 101 … and i have never doubted it for a minute. 

now maybe we can go beyond the obvious ...
No, not really. That is the common view as you say, and I would not think you doubted it. It is based on the idea that there is some common reality independent of individuals and they each have different experiences of it.

What I think is that you doubt the less common view, that there are actually completely different realities for each of us and different versions of you in each, and you only experience one of them at a time, in any moment. Even though that is ultimately simpler and fits more facts better and is an exact match to what people have been reporting to each other for all of time, there is something about it that makes it unthinkable to some. And I say, so far, to you. As I said in another thought, perhaps it is really the idea that there could be more of you out there, being experienced by others, that you do not control or have an experience of, that is so unsettling. You have hinted that something like that would nauseate you. I don’t think it would lessen you at all. I think it would make more of you to go around and be a big advantage. What of it that you don’t experience more than one at a time? Which one and how the overall story goes is yours to decide for you.  

Seth says
Seth of group seth 2016-03-01 14:44:41 [item 20224#47476]

while you at it … let me mention something

the group that were ostensibley suppose to be the last groups i visited or something almost never end up being that.   what they actually represent continues to baffel me.  but whatever they are, then are usually not the groups i am looking to go back to. 
Poe of group da 2016-03-01 14:48:19 [item 20224#47478]
Okay. I noticed that too. But I am glad I didn’t dig into it before because a bunch of that just changed.

What I am pondering at the moment is … when you stake your tent at a particular thought in a room, and that thought goes out of the scope of that room (could have just got pushed of the page by other thoughts, or put in the back room, or moved, etc) then should I take you to that thought wherever it may be now or should I put you at the top of the room you were tented in (which is what is being done now)?
Seth of group seth 2016-03-01 14:51:49 [item 20224#47481]
well if i understand, i would say the person wanted the thought itself, that was what they staked ...not the top of the room … that seems like the system distracting me. 
Poe of group da 2016-03-01 14:57:57 [item 20224#47483]
I’m leaning that way in my ponderings, but I have wandered a deeper path than just what your saying. I can do that as long as the thought wasn’t completely deleted anyway. In testing it in alternate verses I notice that it will feel a bit abrupt sometimes … one minute your tent is in a room with lots of others, the next time you return to it, it is all by itself in a green grassy meadow somewhere unknown.
Seth of group seth 2016-03-01 15:01:10 [item 20224#47484]
and alternatively you are on a thought … poondering that … go away for just moment … then come back and do a double take and wonder why your are at the top of the room.   i think that actually happened to me today … i sitll got the double take … sorry can’t give you a photo ...its somewhere behind my eyes and cam just don’t go there.
Poe of group da 2016-03-01 15:02:38 [item 20224#47485]
Yea me too. That’s why I started quantum jumping to see what happens in other verses. Basically, I back roomed a bunch of thoughts and one had my tent on it.
Seth of group seth 2016-03-01 15:04:27 [item 20224#47486]
yeah just happened here just now crying.  
Poe of group da 2016-03-01 15:08:13 [item 20224#47487]
Well, taking you back to the thought always, unless it is sticky (at the top of a room for sure) is easier. Trying to figure out if the thought is still in that view of that room is not so easy … requires a double lookup and plenty of extra logic. So I am still pondering before I do. It’s easier to try these things out in other verses than to write bad code.
Seth of group seth 2016-03-01 15:14:22 [item 20224#47488]
but if the context of though had not changed, we will still go back to its place in the room …. right?  that was a super kewl feature.

this thing is getting so fast that keeping up is going to be a real challenge.  especially when people start moving thoughts around. 
Poe of group da 2016-03-01 15:17:28 [item 20224#47489]
That’s what I am pondering. Yes, if your tent is staked in a room with others it is nicer to go back to that club. But knowing that the thought you want is still in the club is not easy. Either requires special sql queries or requires actually going there and not finding your thought and then bouncing to where it is.

Always just going to the single thought, when you did choose one is much easier … but I agree, not as socially cool.
Seth of group seth 2016-03-01 15:20:03 [item 20224#47490]
wooo … i did not say it was not soially cool.   don’t know why you would say that.   i say go right back to the where your focus was … but if that context is gone (if you know it is gone) go back to the thought itself.
Poe of group da 2016-03-01 15:34:33 [item 20224#47491]
I said it would not be socially cool because that’s what I think. I usually set my tents up with the tents of others … even though you have this idea about me and others that is weird, it’s what I do. Why would I create others if not to be around them?
seth of group seth 2016-03-01 15:37:37 [item 20224#47492]
hmmm … funny place to go , that.  i was just talking about the feature … didnt know why you thought that staying on the thought if it moved was “socially not cool” that was all.   incidentally i know you are very social … and pictch your tents with others … your ideas about my ideas notwistanding laugh
Poe of group da 2016-03-01 15:44:02 [item 20224#47494]
Well, your the one who is always talking about how I don’t acknowledge otherness. I think hardly a day has gone by lately that you didn’t make some reference to it. So what should I think? I personally think I have a similar way of interacting with others as you do. Much more similar than a lot of people, in the amount of contact, the level of comfort with others being around, amount of needed solitude, kinds of interactions entered with, how personal items are shared, etc. The fact that I create all the others in my direct experience changes none of that. Knowing it is true just opens a few more doors than would be available otherwise.
seth of group seth 2016-03-01 15:58:57 [item 20224#47497]
well i think we are getting quite close to this story synching between us quite closely.   kind of exciting for me.  i can even honesty tell you that your belief that  “the fact that [you] create all the others in [your]  direct experience”  doesn't seem to me to change how effectively you interact with them.  let’s just leave it at that for now.
Poe of group da 2016-03-01 16:02:53 [item 20224#47499]
Well that’s true. An other is an other. Why would who or what created them make any difference?
You don’t have to answer, but it does seem to be something you assume about otherness … that what created it has to make a difference in how you interact with an other.
seth of group seth 2016-03-01 16:22:30 [item 20224#47502]
well certainly who moves me … who creates me … who tells my story … makes a total difference to me.   pretty much just like you, i pride myself in moving my own deeds, in creating my life, in telling my story to the world … me myself … the old, please mom i want to do it myself.  

so that you presume that you are creating me, sure comes to me as a nausea.  to be honest it just tells me that you are actually completely oblivious to what i am actually creating in my life.  it tells me that what you are creating over there which you are experience as me … is not me at all … but rather just a figment of your imagination.   if you were actually seeing me as otherness to you … i would be coming to you thought your senses … not from your imagination. 
Poe of group da 2016-03-01 16:34:49 [item 20224#47503]
Well. You are you. You move your own deeds. It has never been suggested otherwise. Others create their own versions of you and experience that. If that were not the case, then there never would be a discrepancy between what you experience and what they relate. But there is, always, sometimes tiny, often big. I am not the only one who has given you feedback different from what you experience … all do. I can say that with confidence and that I can say that with confidence, and you will agree, even if you don’t want to, is one of the many proofs things are as they are.

I am not oblivious to what you create in your life, but I sure don’t experience it like you and neither do I pretend I do and use language to smooth over the differences as most people try and do. I tell it how I experience the you I create. I am simply more honest about it than most. If all people were as direct and honest about their experience of you as I am you would have no doubt each person is experiencing their own version of you. Language niceties mask that a lot. It doesn’t make you less. It just make more of you to go around!
seth of group seth 2016-03-01 17:01:32 [item 20224#47506]
sounds to me that you are talking about someting entirely different than i am talking about.   kind of strange that.  seems to me that you are replying to what you imagine i said, rather than what i actually did say. 

but sure, most of the sentences that you wrote there i find true as well … obviously.  some are so true that i even wonder why you would say them to me … in that you almost seem as if you are reasuring a confused person things that are common knowledge and that you are somehow imagined that he did not realize. 

i mean you say stuff like “I am not the only one who has given you feedback different from what you experience” … er, come on now … i have lived 70+ years … i am sure it does not come as a shock to you that others have given me feedback that surprised me … and perhaps from which i learned about how i affected others.   But then you go on to say,  “all do. I can say that with confidence  and you will agree, even if you don’t want to, is one of the many proofs things are as they are” … how does that prove anything to anybody and what does it porve?  Nothing to me … certainly not that that the feedback you are giving me is anything but your own rose colored glassless looking at me.   So what are you saying there ...this proof  … does not even make sense to me.  If it really means some kind of proof to you, could you please state your logic more clearly?

there are lots more goodies and clues in your paragraph … but it is hard for me to get past some of these tilts.   then too, like i said, your whole rant there is totally oblivious to what i said to which it presupposes  a reply. 
Poe of group da 2016-03-01 17:17:01 [item 20224#47509]
You agree that I don’t experience you as you do. You even emphasize that in a number of ways. It’s not the obvious thing, that I could be experiencing a different you. It’s rather do to these hypothetical rose color glasses. I know that is only a metaphor, but it works the same. Your simply saying that I am modifying the experience of you that you are having through some means. And you prefer this highly theoretical view over the more straight forward one that I am literally experiencing a different you. Something about the possibility of there being more versions of you than the one you experience seems to unsettle you such that you will go to nearly any length to explain anything else away … no matter how less direct and more imaginary it ends up being.
hmmm ….

Nathan:  “And you prefer this  [highly theoretical]  view over the  [more straight forward]   one that I am literally experiencing a different you.”  your judgments there put in brackets. 

Or said differently from my point of view:   I do not like that you prefer your image of me, in preference to the real me which only i can project.   Please do get the real me through your senses, and not from your imagination.   And please, please stop reifying your image of me as if it were a real alternate me … it is not me at all.    

Don’t forget that i (and only I) create the real me … of which i experience from the inside.  You experience that real me from the outside of it through your senses.  That you can presume to make up a “real” alternate me and pass it off to me as if it was just an alternative universe me … it laughable in the extreme laughlaugh.   In fact doing that is what i call your ultimate disrespect for my otherness to you. 


Holmes says
You can call them judgments if you like. I call those an honest representation of my experience of you. This is what I see. I see your views as highly theoretical because there is no proof for them and when I ask for proof you say there is none. My model is more straight forward. It is based on actual experience, my own first, those who report second, not on a theoretical idea that there is a unified reality. People see things differently, we both agree. It is more direct to say that they see things different because they are different than to say there is one thing that each person modifies. So saying it is more direct is more direct too, hardly a judgment.

Perhaps some things I say can sound like judgments, but these you just put in brackets don’t sound like judgments at all. They are accurate representations of what I am observing.

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