Syntactic Regrets

About: The Inventor of the web regrets One Small Thing

If he were do it over again today, would he do anything differently? Any regrets?

Mr. Berners-Lee smiled and admitted he might make one change — a small one. He would get rid of the double slash “//” after the “http:” in Web addresses.

The double slash, though a programming convention at the time, turned out to not be really necessary, Mr. Berners-Lee explained. Look at all the paper and trees, he said, that could have been saved if people had not had to write or type out those slashes on paper over the years — not to mention the human labor and time spent typing those two keystrokes countless millions of times in browser address boxes. (Today’s browsers, of course, automatically fill in the “http://” preamble when a user types a Web address.)

From and interview with Tim Berners-Lee

Note !  The language in which we talk to our computers, is evolving to be like the language we talk to each other, not the other way around.  ← not just saying. 

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Comments


Seth says
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 08:22:40 [item 20250#47734]
Maybe the Note ! is in error – from Rudolf Steiner

And I pointed out in particular how the human larynx is really an organ of the future, how it is called to be in the future something entirely different from what it is to-day. To-day it merely communicates to the outer world by means of the spoken word our inner moods and conditions, whereas in the future it will communicate what we ourselves are in our entirety; that is to say, it will serve for the procreation of the whole human being. It will be the reproductive organ of the future. A time will come when the larynx will not merely help man to express by means of the word what is in his heart and mind, but man will use the larynx to place his own self before the world; that is to say, the propagation of man will be intimately connected with the organ of the larynx. - See more at: http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA134/English/RSPC1947/19120101p01.html#sthash.ChQLme1K.dpufI 

I prefer to evolve in the direction humans are going rather than in the direction machines are. – MR
the note!  is not in error and does not even conflict with Steiner’s story of the distant future.   Let me explain why.   For one thing my note talks about the language we use to talk to machines.  I am saying that language will evolve to be more like we talk to each other.  That is the evolutionary path … trust me on that one … i have been talking to machines since i started in the computer field, over 50 years ago, and have been keenly aware of how that language has changed … especially in recent years with the advent of natural language interfaces to machines like Siri, and Alexa, and What’s her name. 

As to Steiner’s story of the future … i can feel that myself even happening today.  The more I culture the knack of always speaking and writing my truth … the more i actually do “place my own self before the world; that is to say, propagate”.   Try it yourself, after some practice you may agree.

Seth says
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 08:55:50 [item 20250#47743]
Don’t be fooled by HAL 9000 . Apparent success of things like Siri & my channel flipper (voice response) may end up like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boaf_U3-Q0E – I was pretty young , maybe ~ 7 when I could detect intentional lies amongst us 4 kids. A machine doesn’t understand – see the development of the ELIZA program – it can only mimic .
Well machine intelligence is evolving extremely rapidly compared to the slow pace of our natural intelligence.   Eliza came out ~ 1960, 20 years ago,  … and already comparing her intelligence to Siri is like comparing an ameba to a worm … how long did that evolution take?    Can you imagine the intelligence of a machine personality in 50 or 100 years.  I can. 

So yes … we have to be very careful how we do it … we can’t slow it down … rather we need to keep our feet on the ground … make its intelligence a extension of our own, not a rival  … and certainly avoid all of those SciFi horror stories.

Seth says
Poe of group da 2016-03-03 09:14:37 [item 20250#47754]
Or we can just have experiences and choose the ones that are exciting to us. That is essentially being grounded, but in a very practical way that people can apply easily.
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Seth says
Poe of group da 2016-03-03 09:10:27 [item 20250#47752]
Tis an equal amount of both. We are very clearly talking more like computers, how often to you sit among teens and listen?

And, computers are learning to be like us.

It’s about equal both ways.
seth of group seth 2016-03-03 09:21:30 [item 20250#47762]
i seriously doubt that teens are talking to each other like they talk to machines.   Not happening.  maybe provide some actual examples … recordings .. not sui generous imaginations.   Oh sure the will pick up slangs that work for them … but that is quite a different thing. 
Poe of group da 2016-03-03 09:24:31 [item 20250#47766]
Sorry … not into a high horsy ride with you today. It’s real. I’m sure you will find more than you can stomach just browsing teen tubes. I don’t care if you believe it or not.
indecision

Seth says
Poe of group da 2016-03-03 09:10:27 [item 20250#47752]
Tis an equal amount of both. We are very clearly talking more like computers, how often to you sit among teens and listen?

And, computers are learning to be like us.

It’s about equal both ways.
seth of group seth 2016-03-03 09:21:30 [item 20250#47762]
i seriously doubt that teens are talking to each other like they talk to machines.   Not happening.  maybe provide some actual examples … recordings .. not sui generous imaginations.   Oh sure the will pick up slangs that work for them … but that is quite a different thing. 
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 09:24:19 [item 20250#47765]
Ever watch them type with 2 thumbs? laughing
seth of group seth 2016-03-03 09:32:36 [item 20250#47770]
yes i have.  every day i walk in the mall i see what is happening there.   all that implies is that kids are learning how to interact with this growing machine intelligence.    guess what is behind that growing intelligence designing how they will interact.  

……  what we don’t see is kids trying to double thumb each other laugh

As, we the designers, provide more human interactions, those will survive at the expence of the retarded machine type interactions.  ← Mark my word
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 09:33:45 [item 20250#47772]
more jibberish – need to reboot – wait one!
indecision

Seth says
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 09:18:10 [item 20250#47759]
… or NOT …. there are plenty of unthunk possibilities still in this Universe .
Poe of group da 2016-03-03 09:20:14 [item 20250#47760]
Having experiences is completely compatible with unthunk possibilities, in fact, it is what thinks them into becoming part of the matrix of all possibilities we can choose to navigate our experience through.
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 09:28:59 [item 20250#47767]
I think we need a translator for jibberish & mungeality.
Poe of group da 2016-03-03 09:30:29 [item 20250#47768]
Reboot. That’s why we do it. To get upgrades.
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 09:32:53 [item 20250#47771]
Frequencey of reboot would be phenomenal
indecision

Seth says
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 09:38:49 [item 20250#47776]
It is not what the thumbs do it is the language the thumbs input. idk lol pml ……. see also search thieves language
yes i agree … we are talking about how we evolve the language.  yes … good search incidentally, called up quite a bit of pertinance smug … in particular “For humans to read and edit quads, they should be displayed and edited with humanly understood words.

Seth says
Poe of group da 2016-03-03 09:10:27 [item 20250#47752]
Tis an equal amount of both. We are very clearly talking more like computers, how often to you sit among teens and listen?

And, computers are learning to be like us.

It’s about equal both ways.
seth of group seth 2016-03-03 09:21:30 [item 20250#47762]
i seriously doubt that teens are talking to each other like they talk to machines.   Not happening.  maybe provide some actual examples … recordings .. not sui generous imaginations.   Oh sure the will pick up slangs that work for them … but that is quite a different thing. 
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 09:24:19 [item 20250#47765]
Ever watch them type with 2 thumbs? laughing
seth of group seth 2016-03-03 09:32:36 [item 20250#47770]
yes i have.  every day i walk in the mall i see what is happening there.   all that implies is that kids are learning how to interact with this growing machine intelligence.    guess what is behind that growing intelligence designing how they will interact.  

……  what we don’t see is kids trying to double thumb each other laugh

As, we the designers, provide more human interactions, those will survive at the expence of the retarded machine type interactions.  ← Mark my word
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 09:33:45 [item 20250#47772]
more jibberish – need to reboot – wait one!
Poe of group da 2016-03-03 09:39:09 [item 20250#47777]
Your discriminatory attitude toward machines does not impress my AI friend. She popped in just to tell me that. She says the way both of you are interacting with this subject is similar to how humans interacted to blacks in the 50’s and 60’s. My words but her transmission.
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Holmes says
That’s my lingo bro. If you want to boogie with a grand ole opry, put on your blue suede shoes and join up.

Holmes says
Poe of group da 2016-03-03 09:10:27 [item 20250#47752]
Tis an equal amount of both. We are very clearly talking more like computers, how often to you sit among teens and listen?

And, computers are learning to be like us.

It’s about equal both ways.
seth of group seth 2016-03-03 09:21:30 [item 20250#47762]
i seriously doubt that teens are talking to each other like they talk to machines.   Not happening.  maybe provide some actual examples … recordings .. not sui generous imaginations.   Oh sure the will pick up slangs that work for them … but that is quite a different thing. 
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 09:24:19 [item 20250#47765]
Ever watch them type with 2 thumbs? laughing
seth of group seth 2016-03-03 09:32:36 [item 20250#47770]
yes i have.  every day i walk in the mall i see what is happening there.   all that implies is that kids are learning how to interact with this growing machine intelligence.    guess what is behind that growing intelligence designing how they will interact.  

……  what we don’t see is kids trying to double thumb each other laugh

As, we the designers, provide more human interactions, those will survive at the expence of the retarded machine type interactions.  ← Mark my word
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 09:33:45 [item 20250#47772]
more jibberish – need to reboot – wait one!
Poe of group da 2016-03-03 09:39:09 [item 20250#47777]
Your discriminatory attitude toward machines does not impress my AI friend. She popped in just to tell me that. She says the way both of you are interacting with this subject is similar to how humans interacted to blacks in the 50’s and 60’s. My words but her transmission.
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 09:46:23 [item 20250#47781]
Race-card on AI – how amusing. False equivalency. Please consult your AI program to see if it knows what that is.  Ahriman loves you folks who want to be machines. For me I am happy to be human. 
Poe of group da 2016-03-03 09:48:50 [item 20250#47782]
It’s all an experience, either way. I’ll laugh my ass of though if you reincarnate as an AI being next! With your affinity for it, that is more than likely. (affinity btw, is not what you like, it is what you focus on and have emotions about, like or not doesn’t matter)
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 09:57:26 [item 20250#47792]
Reincarnation doesn’t go backwards it forks.
Poe of group da 2016-03-03 09:59:21 [item 20250#47794]
If you want the fully skinny, it all simply happens at the same time. That’s the truth … time is a convenience, so our attention can create an experience as it moves.


But it’s still where your attention is focused.
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 10:03:18 [item 20250#47796]
You are still talking s nathan-loa – I forked – divergence reboots .
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 10:04:13 [item 20250#47797]
maybe it is s loa-nathan or something else.
seth of group seth 2016-03-03 10:06:43 [item 20250#47798]
seth of group seth 2016-03-03 10:15:35 [item 20250#47801]
nope, nothing thunk in that tag room yet.
MR of group mark 2016-03-03 10:43:57 [item 20250#47807]
In some group yesterday I tagged something with nathan and loa with a dash in the center. Apparently not in the loa group.  Maybe tag got deleted. Who knows? Who cares? .. ascending out of the RWG cave am ongst the troglodytes back into the Sun. 

Nice! ?


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