Syntactic Regrets
About: The Inventor of the web regrets One Small Thing
Note ! The language in which we talk to our computers, is evolving to be like the language we talk to each other, not the other way around. ← not just saying.If he were do it over again today, would he do anything differently? Any regrets?
Mr. Berners-Lee smiled and admitted he might make one change — a small one. He would get rid of the double slash “//” after the “http:” in Web addresses.
The double slash, though a programming convention at the time, turned out to not be really necessary, Mr. Berners-Lee explained. Look at all the paper and trees, he said, that could have been saved if people had not had to write or type out those slashes on paper over the years — not to mention the human labor and time spent typing those two keystrokes countless millions of times in browser address boxes. (Today’s browsers, of course, automatically fill in the “http://” preamble when a user types a Web address.)From and interview with Tim Berners-Lee
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Seth says
the note! is not in error and does not even conflict with Steiner’s story of the distant future. Let me explain why. For one thing my note talks about the language we use to talk to machines. I am saying that language will evolve to be more like we talk to each other. That is the evolutionary path … trust me on that one … i have been talking to machines since i started in the computer field, over 50 years ago, and have been keenly aware of how that language has changed … especially in recent years with the advent of natural language interfaces to machines like Siri, and Alexa, and What’s her name.
As to Steiner’s story of the future … i can feel that myself even happening today. The more I culture the knack of always speaking and writing my truth … the more i actually do “place my own self before the world; that is to say, propagate”. Try it yourself, after some practice you may agree.
Maybe the Note ! is in error – from Rudolf Steiner
I prefer to evolve in the direction humans are going rather than in the direction machines are. – MRAnd I pointed out in particular how the human larynx is really an organ of the future, how it is called to be in the future something entirely different from what it is to-day. To-day it merely communicates to the outer world by means of the spoken word our inner moods and conditions, whereas in the future it will communicate what we ourselves are in our entirety; that is to say, it will serve for the procreation of the whole human being. It will be the reproductive organ of the future. A time will come when the larynx will not merely help man to express by means of the word what is in his heart and mind, but man will use the larynx to place his own self before the world; that is to say, the propagation of man will be intimately connected with the organ of the larynx. - See more at: http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA134/English/RSPC1947/19120101p01.html#sthash.ChQLme1K.dpufI
As to Steiner’s story of the future … i can feel that myself even happening today. The more I culture the knack of always speaking and writing my truth … the more i actually do “place my own self before the world; that is to say, propagate”. Try it yourself, after some practice you may agree.
Seth says
Well machine intelligence is evolving extremely rapidly compared to the slow pace of our natural intelligence. Eliza came out ~ 1960, 20 years ago, … and already comparing her intelligence to Siri is like comparing an ameba to a worm … how long did that evolution take? Can you imagine the intelligence of a machine personality in 50 or 100 years. I can.
So yes … we have to be very careful how we do it … we can’t slow it down … rather we need to keep our feet on the ground … make its intelligence a extension of our own, not a rival … and certainly avoid all of those SciFi horror stories.
Don’t be fooled by HAL 9000 . Apparent success of things like Siri & my channel flipper (voice response) may end up like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boaf_U3-Q0E – I was pretty young , maybe ~ 7 when I could detect intentional lies amongst us 4 kids. A machine doesn’t understand – see the development of the ELIZA program – it can only mimic .
So yes … we have to be very careful how we do it … we can’t slow it down … rather we need to keep our feet on the ground … make its intelligence a extension of our own, not a rival … and certainly avoid all of those SciFi horror stories.
Seth says
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Or we can just have experiences and choose the ones that are exciting to us. That is essentially being grounded, but in a very practical way that people can apply easily.
Seth says
Tis an equal amount of both. We are very clearly talking more like computers, how often to you sit among teens and listen?
And, computers are learning to be like us.
It’s about equal both ways.
And, computers are learning to be like us.
It’s about equal both ways.
i seriously doubt that teens are talking to each other like they talk to machines. Not happening. maybe provide some actual examples … recordings .. not sui generous imaginations. Oh sure the will pick up slangs that work for them … but that is quite a different thing.
Sorry … not into a high horsy ride with you today. It’s real. I’m sure you will find more than you can stomach just browsing teen tubes. I don’t care if you believe it or not.
Seth says
Tis an equal amount of both. We are very clearly talking more like computers, how often to you sit among teens and listen?
And, computers are learning to be like us.
It’s about equal both ways.
And, computers are learning to be like us.
It’s about equal both ways.
i seriously doubt that teens are talking to each other like they talk to machines. Not happening. maybe provide some actual examples … recordings .. not sui generous imaginations. Oh sure the will pick up slangs that work for them … but that is quite a different thing.
Ever watch them type with 2 thumbs? 
yes i have. every day i walk in the mall i see what is happening there. all that implies is that kids are learning how to interact with this growing machine intelligence. guess what is behind that growing intelligence designing how they will interact.
…… what we don’t see is kids trying to double thumb each other
As, we the designers, provide more human interactions, those will survive at the expence of the retarded machine type interactions. ← Mark my word
…… what we don’t see is kids trying to double thumb each other
As, we the designers, provide more human interactions, those will survive at the expence of the retarded machine type interactions. ← Mark my word
more jibberish – need to reboot – wait one!
Seth says
… or NOT …. there are plenty of unthunk possibilities still in this Universe .
Having experiences is completely compatible with unthunk possibilities, in fact, it is what thinks them into becoming part of the matrix of all possibilities we can choose to navigate our experience through. 
I think we need a translator for jibberish & mungeality.
Reboot. That’s why we do it. To get upgrades.
Frequencey of reboot would be phenomenal
Seth says
yes i agree … we are talking about how we evolve the language. 
… good search incidentally, called up quite a bit of pertinance 
… in particular “For humans to read and edit quads, they should be displayed and edited with humanly understood words.”
It is not what the thumbs do it is the language the thumbs input. idk lol pml ……. see also search thieves language
… good search incidentally, called up quite a bit of pertinance … in particular “For humans to read and edit quads, they should be displayed and edited with humanly understood words.”
Seth says
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Tis an equal amount of both. We are very clearly talking more like computers, how often to you sit among teens and listen?
And, computers are learning to be like us.
It’s about equal both ways.
And, computers are learning to be like us.
It’s about equal both ways.
i seriously doubt that teens are talking to each other like they talk to machines. Not happening. maybe provide some actual examples … recordings .. not sui generous imaginations. Oh sure the will pick up slangs that work for them … but that is quite a different thing.
Ever watch them type with 2 thumbs?
yes i have. every day i walk in the mall i see what is happening there. all that implies is that kids are learning how to interact with this growing machine intelligence. guess what is behind that growing intelligence designing how they will interact.
…… what we don’t see is kids trying to double thumb each other
As, we the designers, provide more human interactions, those will survive at the expence of the retarded machine type interactions. ← Mark my word
…… what we don’t see is kids trying to double thumb each other
As, we the designers, provide more human interactions, those will survive at the expence of the retarded machine type interactions. ← Mark my word
more jibberish – need to reboot – wait one!
Your discriminatory attitude toward machines does not impress my AI friend. She popped in just to tell me that. She says the way both of you are interacting with this subject is similar to how humans interacted to blacks in the 50’s and 60’s. My words but her transmission.
Holmes says
That’s my lingo bro. If you want to boogie with a grand ole opry, put on your blue suede shoes and join up.
That’s my lingo bro. If you want to boogie with a grand ole opry, put on your blue suede shoes and join up.
Holmes says
Tis an equal amount of both. We are very clearly talking more like computers, how often to you sit among teens and listen?
And, computers are learning to be like us.
It’s about equal both ways.
And, computers are learning to be like us.
It’s about equal both ways.
i seriously doubt that teens are talking to each other like they talk to machines. Not happening. maybe provide some actual examples … recordings .. not sui generous imaginations. Oh sure the will pick up slangs that work for them … but that is quite a different thing.
Ever watch them type with 2 thumbs?
yes i have. every day i walk in the mall i see what is happening there. all that implies is that kids are learning how to interact with this growing machine intelligence. guess what is behind that growing intelligence designing how they will interact.
…… what we don’t see is kids trying to double thumb each other
As, we the designers, provide more human interactions, those will survive at the expence of the retarded machine type interactions. ← Mark my word
…… what we don’t see is kids trying to double thumb each other
As, we the designers, provide more human interactions, those will survive at the expence of the retarded machine type interactions. ← Mark my word
more jibberish – need to reboot – wait one!
Your discriminatory attitude toward machines does not impress my AI friend. She popped in just to tell me that. She says the way both of you are interacting with this subject is similar to how humans interacted to blacks in the 50’s and 60’s. My words but her transmission.
Race-card on AI – how amusing. False equivalency. Please consult your AI program to see if it knows what that is. Ahriman loves you folks who want to be machines. For me I am happy to be human.
It’s all an experience, either way. I’ll laugh my ass of though if you reincarnate as an AI being next! With your affinity for it, that is more than likely. (affinity btw, is not what you like, it is what you focus on and have emotions about, like or not doesn’t matter)
Reincarnation doesn’t go backwards it forks.
If you want the fully skinny, it all simply happens at the same time. That’s the truth … time is a convenience, so our attention can create an experience as it moves.
But it’s still where your attention is focused.
But it’s still where your attention is focused.
You are still talking s nathan-loa – I forked – divergence reboots .
maybe it is s loa-nathan or something else.
try loa, nathan
nope, nothing thunk in that tag room yet.
In some group yesterday I tagged something with nathan and loa with a dash in the center. Apparently not in the loa group. Maybe tag got deleted. Who knows? Who cares? .. ascending out of the RWG cave am ongst the troglodytes back into the Sun.
Nice! ?
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