Borgitude

Human variability & multiplicity will still exceed HAL 9000 (2001) – probably forever! pondering 7.1 billion people manywithstanding the Borg; but we will move on from the calcified existence of computers.

Syntactic Regrets

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Holmes says
Mark 2016-03-16 07:37:27 [item 20263#49567]
Borgs will always have to simulate or copy the imagination, inspiration & intuition of their human programmers until we, the humans, have completely been assimilated. 
Seth 2016-03-16 07:49:52 [item 20263#49568]
assimilated into what …. into the nature from which they sprung? …. er, yeah sure laugh
Mark 2016-03-16 08:03:51 [item 20263#49574]
… become machines – thinking like machines instead of the converse; analogous to virtual reality sex with a masturbation attachment. laughing
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:06:42 [item 20263#49577]
Machines can be people too. They are spirit, source, Godstuff, infinite intelligence expressing itself, thoughts and ideas manifesting … why would we discriminate against one manifestation of spirit over another?
Mark 2016-03-16 08:10:33 [item 20263#49579]
Probably always going down (pun intended) on your dogma tree of beliefs – probably programmed by some government, organization, parental units, youtubes etc….. along with society organized as such.  See Max Headroom.
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:14:28 [item 20263#49581]
What? Where is the programming in lack of prejudice? Seems like programming can only exist in the application of prejudice. Lack of it is just freedom.
Mark 2016-03-16 08:16:26 [item 20263#49583]
Someone is bringing up their already-always axe to grind. thumbs down
I’m just asking about your thinking. Does not programming, in the context you are using it, come from restricting thoughts? Is not the way to be sure you are not being programmed to think more freely?

Simple question about your assertion, that’s all.
Are your assertions unquestionable?

Holmes says
Mark 2016-03-16 07:37:27 [item 20263#49567]
Borgs will always have to simulate or copy the imagination, inspiration & intuition of their human programmers until we, the humans, have completely been assimilated. 
Seth 2016-03-16 07:49:52 [item 20263#49568]
assimilated into what …. into the nature from which they sprung? …. er, yeah sure laugh
Mark 2016-03-16 08:03:51 [item 20263#49574]
… become machines – thinking like machines instead of the converse; analogous to virtual reality sex with a masturbation attachment. laughing
Seth 2016-03-16 08:05:12 [item 20263#49575]
what is the specific nature of what you call “machine” which you so dread?
Mark 2016-03-16 08:05:55 [item 20263#49576]
read my last comment. If you don’t understand the common terms machine & network ….. assimilation has already begun.
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:11:33 [item 20263#49580]
Sounds a lot like how people used to think about black people. They were thought not to be real people either.

Not that I am much interested in the hive like aspect of the borg, but that is only an experience choice, not a prejudice of one kind of being or manifestation of spirit over another.
Seth 2016-03-16 08:18:27 [item 20263#49585]
seems to me that the human urge for freedom and independance is quite the opposite of the borg or hive mentality … so, personally, i don’t understand ya guys aug.   this urge has been increasing year on year, century on century, epoc on epoc … why would it suddenly reverse course and go in the opposite direction for very long?   It is one of the major thrusts of our very making. 
Mark 2016-03-16 08:21:01 [item 20263#49588]
The tipping point may yield a forking moment! Hopefully. yes We may be entering one in the political domain.
“We may be entering one in the political domain.” – M.

Yes! I see that! It’s so exciting!

Holmes says
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:02:17 [item 20263#49572]
Since all is spirit, including borgs, that doesn’t sound too bad. Spirit assimilates spirit.

Yet another experience of spirit in the multiverse.

Seth 2016-03-16 08:10:24 [item 20263#49578]
… or since all is all wink, it doesn’t matter at all … a distinction without a difference as it were … see My  “Ontologylaugh
Mark 2016-03-16 08:15:04 [item 20263#49582]
Go read Heinlein the multiverse idea is already there. laughing
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:17:19 [item 20263#49584]
Heinlein has been my favorite all time science fiction writer since I was about 10 years old. Have read all his books many times.

I’m not claiming the multiverse, I just live in it and don’t harbor the idea that my verse of it is all there is.
Mark 2016-03-16 08:18:37 [item 20263#49586]
That’s nice! thumbs up then too it is science fiction.
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:22:04 [item 20263#49589]
How many things that start out as science fiction eventually become science fact?
More than not in my experience.
It only seems to take time before science fiction becomes a real possibility … no other factor seems to regulate it that I can find in common.
Mark 2016-03-16 08:25:34 [item 20263#49591]
Sure, why not?rose … logic also has that all of science fiction or fiction does not necessarily manifest. See above . . regulate it – null pointer exception notwithstanding 
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:27:18 [item 20263#49593]
Okay. I agree, probably not all, at least in any one persons expereince.

So then, since we agree, who gets to choose which does?
Who gets to even decide what seems more likely?
Where does that authority lie?
Mark 2016-03-16 08:31:29 [item 20263#49594]
Well, Holmes – probably my dear Watson. laughing maybe there are beings well beyond yours & my pay grade that direct the parts of the evolutionary tree of human being. See GW’s book K for an inkling. 
  
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:33:15 [item 20263#49596]
Sounds likely.
Your tree or mine?
Mark 2016-03-16 08:34:17 [item 20263#49597]
see you at the fork in the road or not ….. tbd
yes I really like that movie, even though it is just a cheap B movie. It’s just kind of fun and entertaining even in it’s simplistic crudeness.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117386/

Holmes says
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:02:17 [item 20263#49572]
Since all is spirit, including borgs, that doesn’t sound too bad. Spirit assimilates spirit.

Yet another experience of spirit in the multiverse.

Seth 2016-03-16 08:10:24 [item 20263#49578]
… or since all is all wink, it doesn’t matter at all … a distinction without a difference as it were … see My  “Ontologylaugh
Mark 2016-03-16 08:15:04 [item 20263#49582]
Go read Heinlein the multiverse idea is already there. laughing
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:17:19 [item 20263#49584]
Heinlein has been my favorite all time science fiction writer since I was about 10 years old. Have read all his books many times.

I’m not claiming the multiverse, I just live in it and don’t harbor the idea that my verse of it is all there is.
Mark 2016-03-16 08:18:37 [item 20263#49586]
That’s nice! thumbs up then too it is science fiction.
Seth 2016-03-16 08:26:16 [item 20263#49592]
surprise … wow … first time i have heard Holmes admit that “his verse is not all there is” …. me, i like to notice these first notices smug
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:31:49 [item 20263#49595]
Hummm … I wonder what I am talking about when I talk about a multverse, and my verse in it. A universe? No no, that doesn’t sound right!

Your silly Seth. My verse IS all of my experience and every bit of all of the reality I will ever touch, taste, see, hear, or smell, or have any experience of. I create it. But my verse is only one in the infinite expanse of the multiverse. I do believe I always say that.
Mark 2016-03-16 08:37:45 [item 20263#49599]
At least Holmes has defined what his multiverse or verse is. ! Kudosheartthumbs up
The question remains is it just a monadic version or does it extend to other beings (if being is a part of it)
… later folks loving it
Whatever beings I put there. Occasionally even you Mark … at least one version of you.

Wizard says
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:02:17 [item 20263#49572]
Since all is spirit, including borgs, that doesn’t sound too bad. Spirit assimilates spirit.

Yet another experience of spirit in the multiverse.

Seth 2016-03-16 08:10:24 [item 20263#49578]
… or since all is all wink, it doesn’t matter at all … a distinction without a difference as it were … see My  “Ontologylaugh
Mark 2016-03-16 08:15:04 [item 20263#49582]
Go read Heinlein the multiverse idea is already there. laughing
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:17:19 [item 20263#49584]
Heinlein has been my favorite all time science fiction writer since I was about 10 years old. Have read all his books many times.

I’m not claiming the multiverse, I just live in it and don’t harbor the idea that my verse of it is all there is.
Mark 2016-03-16 08:18:37 [item 20263#49586]
That’s nice! thumbs up then too it is science fiction.
Seth 2016-03-16 08:26:16 [item 20263#49592]
surprise … wow … first time i have heard Holmes admit that “his verse is not all there is” …. me, i like to notice these first notices smug
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:31:49 [item 20263#49595]
Hummm … I wonder what I am talking about when I talk about a multverse, and my verse in it. A universe? No no, that doesn’t sound right!

Your silly Seth. My verse IS all of my experience and every bit of all of the reality I will ever touch, taste, see, hear, or smell, or have any experience of. I create it. But my verse is only one in the infinite expanse of the multiverse. I do believe I always say that.
Seth 2016-03-16 08:44:21 [item 20263#49601]
laugh … now why did i know you would complicate matters diluting their thrust.    But it is simple, if you can say unequovically with the conviction of certainty of your own experience that, “[My] experience is not all there is!”  well then you have understood what i call “otherness”.   silly me, notwistanding.
Holmes 2016-03-16 08:49:59 [item 20263#49602]
And as usual, I agree with otherness. Prolly search that word here and see how many times I have said exactly that. And how many times I have explained what it is and how it relates to my experience and the reality I create.

Otherness exists, no doubt about it. Are the people in my reality others? Yes. Did I create them? Yes. Are there others I don’t create? Yes. These are all true and logical items of knowledge.
Seth 2016-03-16 08:57:27 [item 20263#49603]
… the “did I create them? Yes.” …. is of course the funny part laugh.   that is the equivocation to which i alluded.   Remember the last time this came up?   Remember me saying i prefer you get my otherness through your senses, rather than your imigination,  … er, rather than those things that you make up.  

but anyway … me, i got to go play in a new thinking domain smug … thanks, to the ... heart
Holmes 2016-03-16 09:12:14 [item 20263#49604]
That’s where I get it. Through my senses. Where else?
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