Thinking Domain Quads
General Quads
is 1 or 0 (not true or false)
context | subject | verb | object | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
domain | settings | |||
domain | <uid> | rights | ||
domain | [<gid>] | rights | ||
domain | [<gid>,<uid>] | rights | ||
domain | all | rights | ||
group | ||||
thought | ||||
comment | ||||
tag | * | |||
user |
Domain Settings Quads
context | subject | verb | object | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
domain | settings | display sytles | ||
domain | settings | sign up thought id | ||
domain | settings | about title | the title text | |
domain | settings | river title | the title text | |
domain | settings | star icon | url to icon to use for star in menubar | |
domain | settings | river icon | url to icon to use for river in menubar | |
domain | settings | homegroup | group id of home group |
Group Property Quads
context | subject | verb | object | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
group | -gid- | permanence | ||
group | -gid- | autostatus | ||
group | -gid- | hideTagCloud | 1 or 0 | |
group | -gid- | globalTagCloud | 1 or 0 | |
group | -gid- | showRiver | 1 or 0 |
Thought Property Quads
context | subject | verb | object | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
thought | no-comment | * | ||
thought | no-tag | * | ||
thought | no-footer | * | ||
thought | copyright | rights to copy * |
Comment Property Quads
context | subject | verb | object | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
comment | nothread | terminate the comment |
User Property Quads
context | subject | verb | object | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
user | data | user profile | ||
user | password | |||
user | group | profile group | ||
user | ||||
user | home | tented location | ||
user | mute-notify-sounds | |||
user | hide-online-status | |||
user | spell-checker | |||
user | profile-image | |||
user | profile-thought | edit user profile with |
* not yet implemented or used
Tags
- rights
- quads
- settings
- thought 20371
Comments
But what about quads with a though <id> that is not just being used by the system to establish facts of operation. So that thought can be in any context that somone wants to consider it. For example any thought in group seth could be considered to be in the context group seth. If i moved it to group fbi then you could consider the thought to be in the context of group fbi.
← just saying that we can use quads for things quite apart from just system settings.
Not seeing how that is “using quads” though. If you move a thought to another group, nothing in the quad table changes at all. The quad table has no relationship about what group a thought is in.
If you are just calling being in a group a quad-like relationship for your own thinking, then I guess so. But there is no actual relationship like that in the system.
In fact, I can pretty much say now that this is one place where doing the whole system in the quad table would have worked against us. The kinds of queries that access group relationships would have been much slower if the quad table stored the group → thought relationship. Sometimes exact tables provide better efficiency and stability.
If you want to build a logical system on top of the existing structure that works with concepts of the system as if they were quads, that could be a thing … for someday anyway
Good to know that … so nobody should expect to use your quads routines to process quads authored by people and embedded in the thoughts themselves. For in that application, the number which stamps the identity of a subject is not determined by the which context the subject is in … 56 in the subject could be talking about thought 56 … or it could be talking about group 56. That is why TBL, in his wisdom, insisted that each element of the triple be a full unambiguous URI.
← but hey, i know you don’t want to think about that shit. As you say, leave it for a different developer.

Due to the restrictions TBL placed on quads, they do not easily model all things, just some sets of things in the human world … unless you just create a whole bunch more quads to store the additional relationships … but that just offloads the issue onto a query programmer to stand on his head in fountains until he can think out a whopper query which will get the information back out when it is needed in some kind of an efficient way … if it even can be done.
You might find it funny that i actually designed a “pents” system and even made it work … see the graph of the data structure here. ← just a historical note.
But as far as i know, these can represent anything which can be expressed in language. Theoretically of course, but i have never found a contra example.
Anyway don’t let this distract you.
And I would ask, why are quads only context + triple? Why can’t another type of quad be a true quad such that all 4 of the keys must create a unique identity? That seems like a “true quad” to me. The context + triple is only a hybrid … and if so, then my quads are “true quads”, not quadified triples.

… or maybe i have no idea what your phrase “all 4 of the keys must create a unique identity”. and btw, the elements of a quad do not “create” that entity, they just point to it.
“and btw, the elements of a quad do not “create” that entity, they just point to it” … that’s your way of looking at it. Based on my current and evolved over time understanding of reality, I would say that more often than not, what we use to represent things is actually what creates them. For instance, Science is “created” by consensus of opinion, not discovered by it … I realized this a year ago watching Gerald do “science” and publish in journals and compare notes with peers. They were not “discovering things” as they thought they were doing using the “scientific method”, they were literally coming into agreement with how things should be in all of their individual verses and then solidifying them to be that way with their journalism and lectures … synchronizing like minded thoughts which then created each of their realities to be similar. Actual things could have been any way up to that point … and usually are in most peoples experiences.
We can consider our different models of what is happening elsewhere. Its nice that we both can understand the different assumptions upon which our different minds are based. That way there we don’t need to argue them.

But what about quads with a though <id> that is not just being used by the system to establish facts of operation. So that thought can be in any context that somone wants to consider it. For example any thought in group seth could be considered to be in the context group seth. If i moved it to group fbi then you could consider the thought to be in the context of group fbi.
← just saying that we can use quads for things quite apart from just system settings.
Not seeing how that is “using quads” though. If you move a thought to another group, nothing in the quad table changes at all. The quad table has no relationship about what group a thought is in.
If you are just calling being in a group a quad-like relationship for your own thinking, then I guess so. But there is no actual relationship like that in the system.
In fact, I can pretty much say now that this is one place where doing the whole system in the quad table would have worked against us. The kinds of queries that access group relationships would have been much slower if the quad table stored the group → thought relationship. Sometimes exact tables provide better efficiency and stability.
If you want to build a logical system on top of the existing structure that works with concepts of the system as if they were quads, that could be a thing … for someday anyway
Good to know that … so nobody should expect to use your quads routines to process quads authored by people and embedded in the thoughts themselves. For in that application, the number which stamps the identity of a subject is not determined by the which context the subject is in … 56 in the subject could be talking about thought 56 … or it could be talking about group 56. That is why TBL, in his wisdom, insisted that each element of the triple be a full unambiguous URI.
← but hey, i know you don’t want to think about that shit. As you say, leave it for a different developer.

Due to the restrictions TBL placed on quads, they do not easily model all things, just some sets of things in the human world … unless you just create a whole bunch more quads to store the additional relationships … but that just offloads the issue onto a query programmer to stand on his head in fountains until he can think out a whopper query which will get the information back out when it is needed in some kind of an efficient way … if it even can be done.
You might find it funny that i actually designed a “pents” system and even made it work … see the graph of the data structure here. ← just a historical note.
But as far as i know, these can represent anything which can be expressed in language. Theoretically of course, but i have never found a contra example.
Anyway don’t let this distract you.
And I would ask, why are quads only context + triple? Why can’t another type of quad be a true quad such that all 4 of the keys must create a unique identity? That seems like a “true quad” to me. The context + triple is only a hybrid … and if so, then my quads are “true quads”, not quadified triples.

… or maybe i have no idea what your phrase “all 4 of the keys must create a unique identity”. and btw, the elements of a quad do not “create” that entity, they just point to it.
“and btw, the elements of a quad do not “create” that entity, they just point to it” … that’s your way of looking at it. Based on my current and evolved over time understanding of reality, I would say that more often than not, what we use to represent things is actually what creates them. For instance, Science is “created” by consensus of opinion, not discovered by it … I realized this a year ago watching Gerald do “science” and publish in journals and compare notes with peers. They were not “discovering things” as they thought they were doing using the “scientific method”, they were literally coming into agreement with how things should be in all of their individual verses and then solidifying them to be that way with their journalism and lectures … synchronizing like minded thoughts which then created each of their realities to be similar. Actual things could have been any way up to that point … and usually are in most peoples experiences.
We can consider our different models of what is happening elsewhere. Its nice that we both can understand the different assumptions upon which our different minds are based. That way there we don’t need to argue them.
The verse has many subjects with the same name, such as Seth Russell, or even just a verse which can be an experience in the multiverse or could be part of a song or poem. Doesn’t seem to me that making subjects unique is needed. All that needs to be unique is the context-subject-verb and then a whole verse is mappable.

imho, it doen’t help to mix a philosophy of verses with the design of a KR system … the latter should be able to represent anything regardless of the assumptions of the former. to me, its more just mathematics.
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