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Mark de LA says

There is a lot of false Ethos creating a big pile of baloney in the name of science these days.

Mark de LA says
Seth 2016-03-17 19:28:56 [item 20584#49723]
… “everyone is creating what they see” … er, well not entirely. 
nathan 2016-03-18 04:44:13 [item 20584#49726]
Pure speculation. The actual science says that it is far more likely that everyone does create all that they see, every vibration in the energy field of their own being, than otherwise.
Mark 2016-03-18 07:52:25 [item 20584#49729]
What science? A train of generalizations does not a science make.
Seth 2016-03-18 08:11:20 [item 20584#49733]
well this just comes down to nathan waving at a book.   fact is i have studies quantum physics quite to the same or deeper level as has he,  and i claim that claim of his is just a concoction. 

Look it is not a matter of believing in physical objects being solid at the micro level.    Nobody who has been in a physics lab believes that any more.   At the micro level … and even in the macro world of our human experience … one cannot observe something without affecting it.  But there is no experimental evidence that supports the claim, “everyone is entirely creating what they see”.   My own opinion is, believing such, would be believeing a lie. 
Mark 2016-03-18 08:20:57 [item 20584#49734]
pondering Hmmm…. I just observed my coffee cup & it hasn’t changed, is not changing right now & is still there – what effects/affects do you get when you try the same?
Seth 2016-03-18 08:25:42 [item 20584#49736]
laughing well if you actually do observe it’s temperature, you might stick you finger in to see if it is hot … then you will contaminate the coffee with your dirty finger.   
nope! didn’t do that! all that after the word might was in your mind & imagination – (actually the whole sentence)