Animating Explosive Growth

About: emergent layers: an introduction

If your are an Amazon, a Apple, or a Google you will be looking for this explosive growth.  Me, i am more interested in creation that animates, and sustains itself,  apart from myself.  ← There is just something about that moves me to the core … almost like a natural urge to procreate. 

I do think the layers are important to this kind of genesis.  ← but this thought is not about that.

The important point this article makes is that making something easy to happen at some level, which was not easy on that level before,  is an essential element of it taking off. 

It is not easy for  many people to use the computer and in particular the computer network.  No, it is frustrating.   Yet the more we see that usage getting easier and easier, the more explosively will it happen.   Make it easy to do something, which was hard or expensive to do previously, and that thing will take off on it’s own.

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Comments


Seth says
nathan 2016-04-22 06:37:36 [item 20837#51386]
I like the majority of that. But your going to have to drop this ludicrous idea that is not real or necessary to success “It is not easy for  many people to use the computer and in particular the computer network.” … I am immersed in people who are in blissful ease with using all computer technology and all the networks. They relate to all of it much like they do breathing. The only people I notice having any dis-ease are those who are resistant to the flow of the modern … mostly people over 50 or so. The rest are blissed out by all aspects of technology because they have no resistance to it’s continuous fluid and varying nature and ride the changes and surf the connections like cloud surfers on powdered snow. The continuous changing and wild nature of the technocraz is many peoples jam!  
obviously many people, especially the young,  use computers quite easily … just for what it has been programmed to be used for.  ← wow, surprise … that is so obvious that it amazes me that you even bring it up. 

what would grow explosively, however, is if they could use this network just as easily for things for which it was  not already pre-programmed.   That is the level of utility that is scarce (read the about article).  Bringing ease of use to a different level of behavior,  will create explosive growth in that level. 

Mark de LA says
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing 
or ….. acromegaly .

Seth says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
yes definitelyyes.   we always want our kind of growth … that which we want to see happening.   Notice how the rich see growth as GDP … and that now most of the GDP is money only.  Me, and a lot of us, see that as a cancer on our society… the same for government. 

How about us producing some growth in our humanity that does not get measured in dollars?

Si says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
Who is talking about growth for growth’s sake? I agree, that is cancer. I talk about growth for the sake of fun, and in the following of excitement. That is a radically different thing than growth for growth’s sake. Following excitement into expansive growth is aligning with the divine … it is literally the opposite of cancer. Cancer is the direct result of resisting excitement and harmonious growth. Cancer is what growth becomes when one follows the path of their own pain.

Mark de LA says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:09:08 [item 20837#51400]
yes definitelyyes.   we always want our kind of growth … that which we want to see happening.   Notice how the rich see growth as GDP … and that now most of the GDP is money only.  Me, and a lot of us, see that as a cancer on our society… the same for government. 

How about us producing some growth in our humanity that does not get measured in dollars?
The title didn’t have much of a qualifier. Growth in humanity could be anything. Growth in a network could look like the world of Max Headroom. laughing  Fun & excitement could be anything.  I am more a prophet of dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony or a piece of art or dancing within & outside the lines.

Seth says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
nathan 2016-04-22 09:11:26 [item 20837#51401]
Who is talking about growth for growth’s sake? I agree, that is cancer. I talk about growth for the sake of fun, and in the following of excitement. That is a radically different thing than growth for growth’s sake. Following excitement into expansive growth is aligning with the divine … it is literally the opposite of cancer. Cancer is the direct result of resisting excitement and harmonious growth. Cancer is what growth becomes when one follows the path of their own pain.
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Seth says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:09:08 [item 20837#51400]
yes definitelyyes.   we always want our kind of growth … that which we want to see happening.   Notice how the rich see growth as GDP … and that now most of the GDP is money only.  Me, and a lot of us, see that as a cancer on our society… the same for government. 

How about us producing some growth in our humanity that does not get measured in dollars?
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:15:29 [item 20837#51402]
The title didn’t have much of a qualifier. Growth in humanity could be anything. Growth in a network could look like the world of Max Headroom. laughing
yep definitely … the trick is to grow the way we want to grow.   the presumption that there is any guidance in which direction to go ← might be a assumption that we can give up ← scary as that may be to some.

Mark de LA says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:09:08 [item 20837#51400]
yes definitelyyes.   we always want our kind of growth … that which we want to see happening.   Notice how the rich see growth as GDP … and that now most of the GDP is money only.  Me, and a lot of us, see that as a cancer on our society… the same for government. 

How about us producing some growth in our humanity that does not get measured in dollars?
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:15:29 [item 20837#51402]
The title didn’t have much of a qualifier. Growth in humanity could be anything. Growth in a network could look like the world of Max Headroom. laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:39:34 [item 20837#51406]
yep definitely … the trick is to grow the way we want to grow.   the presumption that there is any guidance in which direction to go ← might be a assumption that we can give up ← scary as that may be to some.
I am more a prophet of dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony or a piece of art or dancing within & outside the lines.  The human body is a pretty good example of dynamic equilibrium. While it may ingest frogs, pigs & apple pies it never becomes any of them .

Si says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:09:08 [item 20837#51400]
yes definitelyyes.   we always want our kind of growth … that which we want to see happening.   Notice how the rich see growth as GDP … and that now most of the GDP is money only.  Me, and a lot of us, see that as a cancer on our society… the same for government. 

How about us producing some growth in our humanity that does not get measured in dollars?
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:15:29 [item 20837#51402]
The title didn’t have much of a qualifier. Growth in humanity could be anything. Growth in a network could look like the world of Max Headroom. laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:39:34 [item 20837#51406]
yep definitely … the trick is to grow the way we want to grow.   the presumption that there is any guidance in which direction to go ← might be a assumption that we can give up ← scary as that may be to some.
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:42:04 [item 20837#51407]
I am more a prophet of dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony or a piece of art or dancing within & outside the lines.  The human body is a pretty good example of dynamic equilibrium. While it may ingest frogs, pigs & apple pies it never becomes any of them .
The master’s of art abhor pre-defined lines. The dance of the intentional creator is to create your own lines, unless you are a minion, then it is your passion to dance within and outside the lines of a master.  

Seth says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:09:08 [item 20837#51400]
yes definitelyyes.   we always want our kind of growth … that which we want to see happening.   Notice how the rich see growth as GDP … and that now most of the GDP is money only.  Me, and a lot of us, see that as a cancer on our society… the same for government. 

How about us producing some growth in our humanity that does not get measured in dollars?
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:15:29 [item 20837#51402]
The title didn’t have much of a qualifier. Growth in humanity could be anything. Growth in a network could look like the world of Max Headroom. laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:39:34 [item 20837#51406]
yep definitely … the trick is to grow the way we want to grow.   the presumption that there is any guidance in which direction to go ← might be a assumption that we can give up ← scary as that may be to some.
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:42:04 [item 20837#51407]
I am more a prophet of dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony or a piece of art or dancing within & outside the lines.  The human body is a pretty good example of dynamic equilibrium. While it may ingest frogs, pigs & apple pies it never becomes any of them .
each individual human body, when healthy, is in a “dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony”.  

but what about our society of them?  the culture at large.  

Mark de LA says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:09:08 [item 20837#51400]
yes definitelyyes.   we always want our kind of growth … that which we want to see happening.   Notice how the rich see growth as GDP … and that now most of the GDP is money only.  Me, and a lot of us, see that as a cancer on our society… the same for government. 

How about us producing some growth in our humanity that does not get measured in dollars?
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:15:29 [item 20837#51402]
The title didn’t have much of a qualifier. Growth in humanity could be anything. Growth in a network could look like the world of Max Headroom. laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:39:34 [item 20837#51406]
yep definitely … the trick is to grow the way we want to grow.   the presumption that there is any guidance in which direction to go ← might be a assumption that we can give up ← scary as that may be to some.
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:42:04 [item 20837#51407]
I am more a prophet of dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony or a piece of art or dancing within & outside the lines.  The human body is a pretty good example of dynamic equilibrium. While it may ingest frogs, pigs & apple pies it never becomes any of them .
nathan 2016-04-22 09:49:10 [item 20837#51409]
The master’s of art abhor pre-defined lines. The dance of the intentional creator is to create your own lines, unless you are a minion, then it is your passion to dance within and outside the lines of a master.  
Or SOMETHING ELSE entirely! roselaughing

Si says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:09:08 [item 20837#51400]
yes definitelyyes.   we always want our kind of growth … that which we want to see happening.   Notice how the rich see growth as GDP … and that now most of the GDP is money only.  Me, and a lot of us, see that as a cancer on our society… the same for government. 

How about us producing some growth in our humanity that does not get measured in dollars?
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:15:29 [item 20837#51402]
The title didn’t have much of a qualifier. Growth in humanity could be anything. Growth in a network could look like the world of Max Headroom. laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:39:34 [item 20837#51406]
yep definitely … the trick is to grow the way we want to grow.   the presumption that there is any guidance in which direction to go ← might be a assumption that we can give up ← scary as that may be to some.
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:42:04 [item 20837#51407]
I am more a prophet of dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony or a piece of art or dancing within & outside the lines.  The human body is a pretty good example of dynamic equilibrium. While it may ingest frogs, pigs & apple pies it never becomes any of them .
Seth 2016-04-22 09:52:13 [item 20837#51411]
each individual human body, when healthy, is in a “dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony”.  

but what about our society of them?  the culture at large.  
When excitement is followed, then it is the same. Excitement is what our cells are following when the human body is in healthy balance. It is the norm and is only set askew by resistive vibrations of our thoughts which interfere with our cells ability to follow the vibration of excitement.

In larger society, it is the same principle represented in a macro version and it is us who follow our emotion of excitement. Check Steiner on this … you will find uncanny symmetry.   

Si says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:09:08 [item 20837#51400]
yes definitelyyes.   we always want our kind of growth … that which we want to see happening.   Notice how the rich see growth as GDP … and that now most of the GDP is money only.  Me, and a lot of us, see that as a cancer on our society… the same for government. 

How about us producing some growth in our humanity that does not get measured in dollars?
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:15:29 [item 20837#51402]
The title didn’t have much of a qualifier. Growth in humanity could be anything. Growth in a network could look like the world of Max Headroom. laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:39:34 [item 20837#51406]
yep definitely … the trick is to grow the way we want to grow.   the presumption that there is any guidance in which direction to go ← might be a assumption that we can give up ← scary as that may be to some.
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:42:04 [item 20837#51407]
I am more a prophet of dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony or a piece of art or dancing within & outside the lines.  The human body is a pretty good example of dynamic equilibrium. While it may ingest frogs, pigs & apple pies it never becomes any of them .
nathan 2016-04-22 09:49:10 [item 20837#51409]
The master’s of art abhor pre-defined lines. The dance of the intentional creator is to create your own lines, unless you are a minion, then it is your passion to dance within and outside the lines of a master.  
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:54:50 [item 20837#51412]
Or SOMETHING ELSE entirely! roselaughing
There is always something else to smoke! rosewink

Si says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:09:08 [item 20837#51400]
yes definitelyyes.   we always want our kind of growth … that which we want to see happening.   Notice how the rich see growth as GDP … and that now most of the GDP is money only.  Me, and a lot of us, see that as a cancer on our society… the same for government. 

How about us producing some growth in our humanity that does not get measured in dollars?
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:15:29 [item 20837#51402]
The title didn’t have much of a qualifier. Growth in humanity could be anything. Growth in a network could look like the world of Max Headroom. laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:39:34 [item 20837#51406]
yep definitely … the trick is to grow the way we want to grow.   the presumption that there is any guidance in which direction to go ← might be a assumption that we can give up ← scary as that may be to some.
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:42:04 [item 20837#51407]
I am more a prophet of dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony or a piece of art or dancing within & outside the lines.  The human body is a pretty good example of dynamic equilibrium. While it may ingest frogs, pigs & apple pies it never becomes any of them .
Seth 2016-04-22 09:52:13 [item 20837#51411]
each individual human body, when healthy, is in a “dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony”.  

but what about our society of them?  the culture at large.  
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:59:42 [item 20837#51415]
Society is a catch-all word. It even describes the animal & bug worlds, what about it? There are even thouse who want to take a quantum leap into another world at times:
I have had really really bad days. They always begin with a really really unexciting thought … then the momentum builds and becomes irresistible until interrupted! devil

Mark de LA says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:09:08 [item 20837#51400]
yes definitelyyes.   we always want our kind of growth … that which we want to see happening.   Notice how the rich see growth as GDP … and that now most of the GDP is money only.  Me, and a lot of us, see that as a cancer on our society… the same for government. 

How about us producing some growth in our humanity that does not get measured in dollars?
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:15:29 [item 20837#51402]
The title didn’t have much of a qualifier. Growth in humanity could be anything. Growth in a network could look like the world of Max Headroom. laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:39:34 [item 20837#51406]
yep definitely … the trick is to grow the way we want to grow.   the presumption that there is any guidance in which direction to go ← might be a assumption that we can give up ← scary as that may be to some.
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:42:04 [item 20837#51407]
I am more a prophet of dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony or a piece of art or dancing within & outside the lines.  The human body is a pretty good example of dynamic equilibrium. While it may ingest frogs, pigs & apple pies it never becomes any of them .
nathan 2016-04-22 09:49:10 [item 20837#51409]
The master’s of art abhor pre-defined lines. The dance of the intentional creator is to create your own lines, unless you are a minion, then it is your passion to dance within and outside the lines of a master.  
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:54:50 [item 20837#51412]
Or SOMETHING ELSE entirely! roselaughing
nathan 2016-04-22 09:59:26 [item 20837#51414]
There is always something else to smoke! rosewink
Yep, I liked Fat Macks in Atlanta when I lived there – best smoke ever.
https://www.fatmattsribshack.net/ 

Mark de LA says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 11:54:50 [item 20837#51433]
So what? Shit continues to happen. 
nathan 2016-04-22 12:17:00 [item 20837#51434]
Experience continues to happen, quite right. Your personal experience can be by default, loosely following some goal points you set for yourself before this lifetime. Or, your experience can be one hell of an awesome ride in which you fully participate in the design and have the experience, which is your birthright. You can choose to be your own life creator. It is a valid choice and entirely your choice. The only thing that determines weather you have a default experience, or a fully creative experience, is your own habits of belief on that particular subject … and they are the one thing you always have the power to change.  
.. & you can be on an awesome ride even though others think it is just subjective shit! Enjoy the Glow – Enjoy the Flow ….rosethumbs up

Seth says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:03:38 [item 20837#51398]
& some growth, just for growth sake is cancer like in the human body & government.laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:09:08 [item 20837#51400]
yes definitelyyes.   we always want our kind of growth … that which we want to see happening.   Notice how the rich see growth as GDP … and that now most of the GDP is money only.  Me, and a lot of us, see that as a cancer on our society… the same for government. 

How about us producing some growth in our humanity that does not get measured in dollars?
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:15:29 [item 20837#51402]
The title didn’t have much of a qualifier. Growth in humanity could be anything. Growth in a network could look like the world of Max Headroom. laughing
Seth 2016-04-22 09:39:34 [item 20837#51406]
yep definitely … the trick is to grow the way we want to grow.   the presumption that there is any guidance in which direction to go ← might be a assumption that we can give up ← scary as that may be to some.
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:42:04 [item 20837#51407]
I am more a prophet of dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony or a piece of art or dancing within & outside the lines.  The human body is a pretty good example of dynamic equilibrium. While it may ingest frogs, pigs & apple pies it never becomes any of them .
Seth 2016-04-22 09:52:13 [item 20837#51411]
each individual human body, when healthy, is in a “dynamic equilibrium & balance like a symphony”.  

but what about our society of them?  the culture at large.  
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-22 09:59:42 [item 20837#51415]
Society is a catch-all word. It even describes the animal & bug worlds, what about it? There are even thouse who want to take a quantum leap into another world at times:
Seth 2016-04-22 11:49:27 [item 20837#51432]
what about it, mark, is that human society it is not in an equilibrium … it is in an explosion.   so things change and continue to change in quite a different spiral than the beautiful equilibrium of our individual biological bodies.   now, me i don’t see that as a problem … more like an excitement … but just like skiiing down a steep mountain, it is best to be keenly aware of terrain coming up.   if we all are going to be blithely unaware and be mellowing in our own subjective splendid equilibrium … me, i am not so very sure we will be around for the interesting part of the play. 
nathan 2016-04-22 12:35:10 [item 20837#51435]
When we are all mellowing in our own splendid equilibrium is exactly when we will all collectively enter the most interesting part of the play! That will be the point where human evolution explodes across the multiscape of the multiverse … which is what we are all striving to make happen in this super highly advanced college of creation we affectionately call earth.

We will of course, be fully aware and there is nothing subjective about the experience of deliberate creation … it is 100% objective.
Seth 2016-04-23 12:08:37 [item 20837#51456]
nothing “objective” there … rather your subjective story. 
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-23 12:36:45 [item 20837#51459]
?…. last bus is leaving for the subjective-objective circus cruise to Emojiland in 30 seconds & NOW at the

Schrödinger gates 0 &  ∞ 

Seth 2016-04-23 12:58:53 [item 20837#51460]
me, i don’t make it a “circus cruise” and not necessarily to “Emojiland” … [ ] ← no emoji here, no emoji, no.

the subjective/objective sides of the feedback looping, maybe mobius strip, are a structural feature of our human lives ← are they laughing matters ? ← depends on how we laugh laugh
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-23 14:34:02 [item 20837#51461]
Special gate now opened for the “Metaland-Abstractia” gulch tour at Shrödinger gate 

Well its fun to grok the structure … even mathematically … maybe even draw a map.  The subjective side (significable by square root of -1) has features that are not in the objective side.  In the subjective side we have control of our experience via KiK.   On the objective side we do not.  But the subjective side does have control of what we experience of the objective side by navigation, selection, and projection, and that feeds back into the subjective side.  The worm hole between them is the senses.   The map is quite complex … simplify with cute memes at your own risk … nevertheless those are (some of) the features that go into the differential equation.  Parameters could be represented by choices.  Specific examples and solutions are infinite ← me i find a certain beauty and excitement in that freedom   and i glory in that.

← thoughts from The Bounty during my Seattle walk about.

Much better than Chocolati which blocks this site and 90% of the web ← how stupid is that. 

Seth says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-23 15:59:54 [item 20837#51464]
I guess you took the one-way  trip. laughing
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-23 16:03:34 [item 20837#51465]
There’s a group for that:
my trip goes both ways {subjective → objective AND objective → subjective}  … outside of that your guess is way too deep in your subjective mind for me to grok your projection. 

And on this side,  i will drive back to Renton, so no one way trip intended here laugh.

… and deep on my subjective side is the grock that this is getting deep into mixed media … too bad that room is broken … remind me to fix it some day. 

Mark de LA says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-28 11:42:06 [item 20837#51661]
As an aside – in view of: surprise 
OBAMA DEFENDS ECONOMIC LEGACY...
First President Not to See Single Year of 3% Growth...
GDP: 0.5%…

Why economic growth & not a dynamic equilibrium which keeps pace with other factors such as the population growth & standards of living is the most important objective.  They do have a handshake, but emphasis on one over conscious capitalism seems peculiar.
Seth 2016-04-28 11:53:46 [item 20837#51663]
did you know that the growth in GDP has, for a long time now, been just growth in financial transactions … not growth in commerce?  every time i see the financial sector growing now, i say to myself, oh woopie shit, greed is getting bigger. 
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-28 11:59:24 [item 20837#51665]
I hadn’t seen that – doesn’t make sense really . Value without product sales is a mirage.  The stock market is a gambling game, but the Federal Reserve lending at 0% interest rate games the system so that the government can continue to spend beyond GDP while those who own company stocks & bonds think something is worth investing in because the prices rise. It is a joke. laughing
Seth 2016-04-28 12:01:44 [item 20837#51668]
mark, just go look at the actual numbers.   i did not make this up.  
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-04-28 12:03:21 [item 20837#51669]
What numbers, where?  I’m not going to chase your demons for exercise. laughing
Seth 2016-04-28 12:11:52 [item 20837#51673]
for example compare the growth of the financial sector of the stock market by total capitalization over the last 50 years.   it is very dramatic.   i will bet even you would be surprised.  but mark, chase  it or not, that is just your subjective concern,  it really has no bearing here objectively.   it is not my current focus, or i would show you the graph. 
Yep, basically an irrelevant comment on my comment: a blob of cosmic ooze …. laughing 

Mark de LA says
Seth 2016-04-28 12:28:13 [item 20837#51675]
Notice around 2001 the upward direction leveld off. Now it is near flat. Later on after Clinton left the bailouts contributed to the chaos .  I agree basically with RS who I think would agree that making money on money doesn’t put capital to work.  Such may be the basis for negative interest rates – i.e. it costs to have your money static in a bank.  I like RS’s idea of money that has an expiration date.  I suggested a new way of looking at things as dynamic equilibrium so that standard of living & population growth is a good idea.

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