A me/you matrix
me | you | |
objective public outsides shared |
A | B |
subjective private insides hid |
a | b |
Some things can be read off of the diagram. For you to visit a, or for me to visit b, we would necessarily have to leave out egos behind … or we simply could not go into those spaces or behold the things in those contexts. By definition the same cannot be said about me visiting B or you visiting A.

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But i don’t think this matrix depicts egos in boxes at all. Were i to depict that i would draw the ego as the box (not what is within the box) … it is that which stands between or separates the inside context from the outside context.
Does the box control what happens … or as you put it, “conduct and engineer the train of thoughts and the course of my life” ? I guess you could put it that way. Where is it? well wherever i am … that is pretty obvious.


8: 12 Manipulation is what most people do most of the time. We speak or interact non-verbally for the purpose of producing some effect or reaction in the other person. We’re attempting to generate an impression or to alter another’s experience in some way that serves a purpose of our own. Recall some of your past interactions in this light and notice how much was actually not communication at all but simply verbal manipulation. No matter how innocently it’s done or how well-intentioned it seems, it is still a manipulation.
8: 13 Communication, on the other hand, is simply and honestly sharing an experience, period. The only motivation behind it is to get it across. The communication may provide information, or create understanding, or some such, but that is a result of the shared experience itself. It is not an attempt to indirectly handle your needs by creating some effect in the receiver. Can you see the distinction here?
Ralston, Peter (2015-03-10). Pursuing Consciousness: The Book of Enlightenment and Transformation (Kindle Locations 2435-2442). North Atlantic Books. Kindle Edition.


The rest of the chapter is even more useful


yes certainly


no judgment however … its up to you to express yours better to me. who knows, i might even notice that it matches better were it to have more detail. what actual features can you read off of it?
I described what I used the train metaphor for above which stands sua sponte.


← Goethe’s Faust illustration

see also the Turtles all the way down objection, bottom of article.
yet i am sure you can restate your model eliminating the objection. i am just trying to provoke that clarification … to get at that which now remains deep inside you.
She should have died hereafter;
There would have been a time for such a word.
— To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.
— Macbeth (Act 5, Scene 5, lines 17-28)
Or much shorter meme:

i think i do both 8.12 and 8.13, as do we all. but i do tend to avoid manipulation … i am not all that good at it anyway. i tend rather to try to anticipate the effect of my speech and actions on others and even their reactions back on myself.









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