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Homage & Odes to  In the category of words & meanings the word BEING has lost most of it’s meaning. It is barely distinguishable from the word doing. So an Ode to Human Doings is appropriate to hail the new species we have become. Obliterating the past is the best way to set forth on a Revolution. Much political correctness gets rid of old words or changes their context, meaning & puts them on the black list. Being is on the cusp of munging into doing just like body, soul & spirit munged into the notion of an electro-chemical machine with some psychology as the vehicle of what we call life. We are the product of that machine via DNA.

It’s not what you look like when you’re doing what you’re doing
It’s what you’re doing when you’re doing what you look like you’re doing 
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In  the category of Piles of Words there is even a more sorrowful loss. I mourn the loss of the current ability of human doings to express truth, motivate with words & understand – it is almost like we have entered a new phase of the biblical myth of the Tower of Babel. Words mean different things to different people so listening is really fruitless. Arguing is pointless. Agreeing is illusive & transitory. The public square is cacophony where governments & the M$M manipulate the masses.  Logic is in it’s last throws & groans. Dogs of war? Fairies of peace?  The Arts & particular the combining of music, drama, singing, & visuals is the only way out of the tragedy for me. I am done with the disgusting pile of words offered.  Arguing with this notion only puts more on the pile. RWG proves little except egos are involved by habit & bad temper & unavoidabilities. Hence the deep perhaps tears of the loss of love express this better:

“I am done”.

Piles of words no longer sustain me,
no longer explain me,
no longer feel me,
no longer persuade me,
no longer lead me,
…… into the light.
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The great challenge is to come up with something that does not sound & look like a bad musical or a broadway play. crying
FYI the word mung (without the ending e) has a similar set of synonyms as that in the urban dictionary.

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Mark de LA says
 

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Mark de LA says
Mark de LA 2016-07-01 08:07:01 [item 21093#53841]
A challenge here is to spread the pathos & the ethos without touching logos & rhetoric. Art is the key. 
The soul’s empathy & feeling is transmitted & becomes a seed in the hearts of those who get it.  Nothing to argue about. Some will cry.  Some will ignore & some will get it. 

Mark de LA says
Interesting with no real words at all – https://www.facebook.com/EducateInspireChange.org/videos/951467454940532/   Aparently there is more of this guy on YouTube … later tuit

Si says

It’s not what you look like when you’re doing what you’re doing
It’s what you’re doing when you’re doing what you look like you’re doing

#LOL … maybe in your verse, but if you were renting a verse in Hollywood, what you looked like you were doing would be all that mattered … probably the same in the White House.  As usual, all these things are only relative to your desires and the verse you subscribe to.

Si says

In  the category of Piles of Words there is even a more sorrowful loss. I mourn the loss of the current ability of human doings to express truth, motivate with words & understand – it is almost like we have entered a new phase of the biblical myth of the Tower of Babel.

Well since more and more humans are being authentic every day, I don’t see this as a loss. I see this as a gain. What matters the words being used when what is being said is more from the heart and the soul? The upper class in England and the United states spoke to each other with impeccable and precise words during the 1800’s … and 90% of it were lies and deceit and posturing. A pile of authentically spoken words is worth far more than a single well spoken misdirection, in my book. Understanding comes thought the heart, and the ability to know thyself … not through the precision of the words.

Mark de LA says
I’m of course sure YOU believe that & are committed to spreading such – perhaps in the generations from now your own children or their children will be saying the same thing about you & what you said today – little difference since the tower of Babel fell. 

Si says
Did it? Do you really believe that there was only one language, and men built a tower into the sky almost to God? And God smote it down and spread the people across the earth giving them different languages so that they could not attempt such a thing again?

Mark de LA says
→ pellick it was a good song.  Deframing seems to be your programmed #AlreadyAlwaysListening → the pile of words continues to grow .

Mark de LA says
It was a metaphor just like the old stories from Greek Mythology.   In those days people understood in a different way than we do today; myopia to your own now notwithstanding.

Si says
Your the one who was using it as the logical reasoning why we should speak differently. “little difference since the tower of Babel fell” seems to be the only substance in your argument, if there even is any. The rest is just murky mungables about my future family.

Mark de LA says
Yep – nothing from you except deframe & contradict.  Enjoy your diaper full, I’ll not be examining it here any longer.
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Si says

nothing from you except deframe & contradict.  Enjoy your diaper full, I’ll not be examining it here any longer.

I would call it building toward a solid future in a sustainable system. For someone interested in political systems and searching for one that can really work … I would think you would be quite interested. Perhaps that is not really an authentic interest of yours?

Mark de LA says
No evidence yet – just contradiction. thumbs down

Seth says
Well when i eliminate everything a #thingey does, i can find nothing left.   … not even the implication of  a “solid body”.  

Me, I have no “sorrowful feelings of loss” associated to the new possiblities that emerge now that we can  mix these concepts in new ways … rather i love it null.  That is my ode. 

Mark de LA says
#munge <–> is similar to a nicer word called melange also found in this Folklore.org link:
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Reality_Distortion_Field.txt 

Mark de LA says

Seth says
i think the “fall of the tower of bable” that mark keeps refering to is a myth that no longer applies to how we use natural language today.   I have no problem in composing sentences useing the words that come into my mind to express my thoughts just as accurately as I desire.   I even notice that occassionaly others will hear my thoughts as expressed … even if they are disagreeable.    i notice that by virtue of how they respond.  

So me, i feel no “sorrowful loss” for this catastrophy that #afaict never happened.

Mark de LA says
I guess you folks never heard of history or myths or anything that happened even in your own lifetimes before the age of consciousness after you quit filling your diapers with shit. Continue onward & #MakeShitUp if the #juice tastes good ← though. The qualia of doubt pervades a lot of what you folks say anyway mostly lost somewhere beneath your #PilesOfWords

The new tower of babel is just your attitudes toward others’ communications – no need to change the languages again .

Seth says
Well language is  still working great even after the alleged fall  …. for example because of your expressive  use of #English  i know what is in your soul … even how it feels in there. 

And #kudos → mark, for associating your “attitude towards others’ communication” directly with what you call “The new tower of babel” … that #RingsTrue even over here.   Now i know what you mean when you use that term. 

#TowerOfBabel 

Mark de LA says
There is a weird-assed effect of hiding stuff illustrated in this item.  Someone else can comment on it & all the author’s comments about that get hidden when the new author’s comment gets hidden.  Even the new clone functions don’t seem to work within the hidden stuff.

Mark de LA says
#WhateverYourPileMeans !

Mark de LA says
Well language is  still working great even after the alleged fall  …. for example because of your expressive  use of #English  i know what is in your soul … even how it feels in there.  ← Bozo
And #kudos → Mark, for associating your “attitude towards others’ communication” directly with what you call “The new tower of babel” … that #RingsTrue even over here.   Now i know what you mean when you use that term ← Bozo

Language is so still working that billions were spent spreading piles of it around both in words & pictures & videos & twits etc & the 2016 election cycle was formed & happened.  In the mythology of the tower of babel was a warning about a shortcut to God by all the inhabitants of the earth being frustrated by destroying an original language everyone spoke. 
#Shazam (***)

Seth says
Well i believe that is the myth that never actually happened.  #afaict what happened is that we use to live in a much simpler world with much simpler more direct interactions.  Back then a simple grunt between people who were living together could suffice for all that needed to be said.  Which incidentally still works between me and denise.   But the world has become much more diverse and complicated,  and so have our interactions with each other as well as our abilities to communicate with people we have not even met.  So our language had to explode to continue to represent all the new possibilities.   So now we need to open our minds and listen more carefully to get the meaning of the grunts we make to each other.  But it is still possible … given the will and a positive attitude.

I suppose you could use some other generalized mysticlal symbols to represent what happened … and then  justify your attitude twards other people’s grunts to you when they are trying to express themselves in the vast possiblities that obtain.   How is that working for you?

Si says
We have already explored to death listening more to each other. History well shows that it is a dead end. What we need to do is start being responsible, responsible for our own reality that we each crate. And authentic, authentically representing what we actually know and feel instead of what we think we should be doing, or in someone else’s business.

Si says
p.s. 11 years of FBI also shows the futility of listening better, more, etc. In 11 years you and Mark have cycled and recycled the same ideas, same patterns, over and over and over without any substantial gain or improvement in the state of things, for yourself, or the world.

Seth says
Well your first two sentenes are obviously just your opinion.  History shows no such thing to me.  My own experience tells me that when people understand each other, they get along swimingly and do amazing things together. 

Being responsible for our own reality that we each create and that effects each other is certainly a great thing to do.  Wow!!  I love that stuff null.

Honest and  accurate speaking and litening  is part of “authentically  representing what we actually know and feel to each other”   There is no “instead” of that which makes any sense to me which is not already covered above. 

Si says
You are mixing apples and oranges again. People understanding each other is NOT the same thing as people listening to each other. Even a child can see that.

True understating is the understanding of what you are creating. However much two people do understand each other, it always comes out of how much they have the ability to tune into the creation they each are manifesting. When people appear to understand each other better by listening, which does happen sometimes, but not always, it is because the listening is also extended to the self and that is where the real information useful in the understanding process is coming from.

Seth says
Ok i know well the dintinction you are drawing between what can be communicated between people and what they experience themselves.   I am assuming that by “understanding” you are talking about the experience itself.   Your are right, that cannot be communicated.   Each of our actual experiences is way way too particular within the context in which it happens inside … so what is inside one person can never be communicated to another.   On that we agree.   I was even going to write about that myself and have touched upon it many times here.

Carefully listening to what  another honestly represents of their unique and particular experiential context and being able to allow that to insire a synchronous experience inside is part, me thinks, of the high art of living that we are doing here.   Telling a story which takes away from that amazing activity is not  a thing that i want any part of. 

Mark de LA says
One more song from the finale of Six Feet Under where all of the main characters are shown fast forwarded to the end of their lives & the daughter drives off to down the 10 highway East  – knit together by Sia’s Breathe Me: – very gripping for me but you folks who knows? I saw most of the 63 episodes (**thumbs up

Si says
A lot of that is useful in various ways. And at the same time, to truly know another, one must tune into direct knowing, know theyself and what one is creating. Knowing by circumstance, by only taking clues from outside oneself, is actually only knowing more about oneself, more about what one can imagine, not actually about another. To actually know another, one must seek to know oneself, to know and understand the other one is creating. This is the paradox that has been talked about for 10’s of thousands of years by those who have come to understand this truth about the nature of our experience.

Seth says
Well from my point of view you have your references seriously switched around.    Let me rewrite one of your sentences and unswitch it from my point of view so that it #RingsTue over here.

Knowing by circumstance, by only taking clues from outside oneself, is actually only knowing more about others oneself , [rather than] more about what one can imagine, [which is] not actually about another.

Now i do know you have this mirroring thing that you do with others and especially with your #TravelByYes group.  Your switched belief justifies that mirroring  (or maybe the mirroring justifies the belief … i am not sure it matters which).   But there is no paradox … You believe the switched version and i believe the one that is not switched.  Your belief is fine for you … well nathan, guess what … my belief is just fine for me too. 

As to the other Gurus who have talked about this for centuries … well there are just as many other gurus who have rejected it as have i … #RS being a case in point.  I never heard Stiener recomment this switch … in fact in his pamplet on Practical Training in Thought he did the exact opposite.   I talked about that in “Think a thing in and of itself”.   And to quote a brilliant philosopher that i personally know … “There is not just one world” null … or words to that effect. 

Seth says

p.s. 11 years of FBI also shows the futility of listening better, more, etc. In 11 years you and Mark have cycled and recycled the same ideas, same patterns, over and over and over without any substantial gain or improvement in the state of things, for yourself, or the world.

nathan above

well i never said it was easy.  A wise man once said, if it is worth doing, it is worth doing well … or words to that effect.

but as you observe,  there has not been that much listening here.   But that proves nothing except that we have not done that much listening here … not that it is not possible given other people with other intentions and attitudes twards communication.   

a better example might be our own direct experience of how much you listen to me to hear what i am  saying … and how much i listen to you to hear what you are saying.   even with your belief that you can only hear what you create yourself … and even with my believe that i can hear others quite apart from what i create of them myself.  At least we both are experiening what is happening there.   Don’t forget that we are not attempting to duplicate our experience in each other when we talk together … but rather to use each other’s representations to get synchronized … GW used to call that a meeting of minds.   Mark has no intention of doing that with me … and you probably do not either.  No problem … we will get just that measure of consciousness between us that we mutually create with our interaction … no more … no less. 


Maybe examine some examples which are not quite so very deep … some that are even just trivial … and you might see what i mean.  Then extrapolate getting deeper and deeper.   That is the way i think about this.

#btw nathan,  the consciousness and synergy that you get with your #TravelByYes group is no different than what what i am talking about … i just do not believe that some of your assumptions are necessary for that consciouness to obtain … and in fact i believe if  a more diverse group operates sans those beliefs,  that interactive consciouness will emerge even faster.  your belief is just not necessary from a perspective outside of yourself … er, out of your own box null … it just takes a diffrent kind of Faith.

Mark de LA says
Talk about yourselves then you will have only one dimenstion of lying. 
Funny thingy about professing knowing 11 years of fbi at about a 2% comprehension rate give you so little & yet you seem to believe you know so much 
Free yourself & get rid of beliefs ! - M.R.

Seth says
well beholding others certanly does give an added dimensions to my thoughts.  it feels like every person i meet is an entirely new dimension which has yet to have  connections to what is me and what i create.  it actually does feel that way.  If i made up others out of my own being, i would get boored out of my goard.  An excellant observation maestro … #kudos → mark

one course one  can be honest or dishonest about one’s self, or about others.  That is yet another dimension.   Me i avoid the dishonest part  … but that is just me.   I notice, completely independant of me and what i create,  others seem quite  confrotable on that dark side.  

#Trump is an excellant example … i could not move in that dimension like  him,  regardless of how effective i might become … it is constitutionally not in my #BeIng to do.   nor could i even make up some other person to speak that way.    sorry, not my side of the multiverse, thank you anyway.   but, #sethhmmm ,  maybe i could make up a fictional character like that … after all,  in the meta dimension of thought i have complete freedom, …. no pesky circumstances from others to hold me back, no direct consequences to myself whatever i do … it might even be fun.

#Hillary talked out of both sides of her neck too … but on an entirely different scale.  I think most of the Trump voters were hearing hillary from her opposition … they went with what he created her to be  nullironic

Mark de LA says

Seth says
given mark’s recent edits to  (comment 66092)  it now seems that i made up a positive interpertation of his words as an excuse to write my story in  (comment 66093)  above.  Oh well null.   Good interaction in any case .. er unless, of course, you don’t want it to be.

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