I think therefore I am
I speak to you as if I know what I am saying, because I do.
You speak to me as if you are not sure, and that makes you so.
we are both right
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Si says
“I think therefore I am”.
What, you think that means you exist because you think? Ha ha. What exists?
No no, you exist because you thought it.
“I think therefore I am” is simple testament to the truth “I am what I think”. Yet another “it really is what it is, not some obscure thought” … we eventually come around to discover that most things really are “just that”, but often we go a very long way around to get there!
(because it is fun and exciting!)
“I think therefore I am”.
What, you think that means you exist because you think? Ha ha. What exists?
No no, you exist because you thought it.
“I think therefore I am” is simple testament to the truth “I am what I think”. Yet another “it really is what it is, not some obscure thought” … we eventually come around to discover that most things really are “just that”, but often we go a very long way around to get there!
(because it is fun and exciting!)
Si says
Common rules of social dialog are not based on getting to the truth in an eloquent and non-invasive way as is often thought to be the case. They are considered polite and well skilled … boy have you been duped!
Common rules of social dialog are based on seeing who can outdo the other in undoing the uncertainty introduced by the apologetic condescending of the dialog itself.
Common rules of social dialog better serve a slowing of the understanding process than they do true understanding … for true understanding is always a direct experience, not a parley of politeness, no matter what path is traveled before the understanding flashes. True understanding is always us asking ourselves and getting the answer, for we each created the whole of what we are experiencing and know everything there is to know about it. But it is fun to involve others and make it all seem like a good detective story, or a which hunt, or true love … hence the need for “common rules of social dialog”, for they inject the uncertainty into our experience upon which a good story can be told! 
Common rules of social dialog are not based on getting to the truth in an eloquent and non-invasive way as is often thought to be the case. They are considered polite and well skilled … boy have you been duped!
Common rules of social dialog are based on seeing who can outdo the other in undoing the uncertainty introduced by the apologetic condescending of the dialog itself.
Common rules of social dialog better serve a slowing of the understanding process than they do true understanding … for true understanding is always a direct experience, not a parley of politeness, no matter what path is traveled before the understanding flashes. True understanding is always us asking ourselves and getting the answer, for we each created the whole of what we are experiencing and know everything there is to know about it. But it is fun to involve others and make it all seem like a good detective story, or a which hunt, or true love … hence the need for “common rules of social dialog”, for they inject the uncertainty into our experience upon which a good story can be told!
Seth says
well there are all kinds of dialouges and they need to be treated differently. most of what you say above hangs true over here too, but contains the presumption that one does not get thoughts, feelings, and even prompts to action from others, however rarely. ← but i find that happens to me rather frequently … but maybe i am weak in the head … i expect that strong headed or hot headed folks will have quite a different experience.
there is another kind of “social dialgue” where the intention of those participating is to arrive at agreements and to find ways to cooperate. for those kinds of dialogues our culture has evolved some rules which i think actually work … see fallacies.
well there are all kinds of dialouges and they need to be treated differently. most of what you say above hangs true over here too, but contains the presumption that one does not get thoughts, feelings, and even prompts to action from others, however rarely. ← but i find that happens to me rather frequently … but maybe i am weak in the head … i expect that strong headed or hot headed folks will have quite a different experience.
there is another kind of “social dialgue” where the intention of those participating is to arrive at agreements and to find ways to cooperate. for those kinds of dialogues our culture has evolved some rules which i think actually work … see fallacies.
Seth says
← the anti meme for your amusement
← the anti meme for your amusement
Seth says
anyway me, i anchor my thoughts in what happens that i can share with others, not in some weakness (or strength) deep inside myself ← which is my solution to the uncertainty problem.
Si says
It's funny that right here you say you don't go deep inside yourself and yet in another comment today you believe that you go deeper into the woods and I do. They may or may not be exactly the same thing but they are clearly very close.
It's funny that right here you say you don't go deep inside yourself and yet in another comment today you believe that you go deeper into the woods and I do. They may or may not be exactly the same thing but they are clearly very close.
Seth says
well i said “the wilds of the world” not “into the woods” . you may well go deeper into the woods than do i, literally … in fact i expect that you do.
to me deep inside myself is the opposite direction than deep into the world … especially its ‘wilds’. bear in mind, i know myself well … i only know you by what you tell me and what i can observe you doing.
also bear in mind the exceptionally different contexts of the two statements.
well i said “the wilds of the world” not “into the woods” . you may well go deeper into the woods than do i, literally … in fact i expect that you do.
to me deep inside myself is the opposite direction than deep into the world … especially its ‘wilds’. bear in mind, i know myself well … i only know you by what you tell me and what i can observe you doing.
also bear in mind the exceptionally different contexts of the two statements.
Seth says
an interesting article by Seth Godin related, me thinks, to this context: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2016/07/no-one-is-unreasonable.html
an interesting article by Seth Godin related, me thinks, to this context: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2016/07/no-one-is-unreasonable.html
Si says
Your contortions are tiring. Life is so much simpler and easier and fun than you are making it.
Your contortions are tiring. Life is so much simpler and easier and fun than you are making it.
Si says
Yes, it's your story after all. Everything. Adjust at will. Or, just adjust the piece you believe you can adjust in this moment. And another piece in another moment. Everything is equally adjustable … but people like to think they only can, or are only allowed to, adjust one little particular area at a time. Seth Goden has found his.
Yes, it's your story after all. Everything. Adjust at will. Or, just adjust the piece you believe you can adjust in this moment. And another piece in another moment. Everything is equally adjustable … but people like to think they only can, or are only allowed to, adjust one little particular area at a time. Seth Goden has found his.
Si says
It’s like people set themselves up with beliefs and habits as they are growing up. Those beliefs and habits make them who they are, define their experience. People then think “that’s it, I am this thing that is defined by my beliefs and habits, that is who I am”. Well it’s not. Both beliefs and habits are mutable to any degree desired. Once one is changed, the person becomes different, their story is different, they live a completely different life experience.
Changing one’s beliefs and habits is all that is needed to change one’s life experience to be absolutely anything, anything that can be imagined, no matter how wild or different. Circumstances will change to match the new beliefs and habits, they must, for circumstances are only in the mirror showing what one IS at the moment, what their beliefs and habits make them to be, what their experience is.
It’s like people set themselves up with beliefs and habits as they are growing up. Those beliefs and habits make them who they are, define their experience. People then think “that’s it, I am this thing that is defined by my beliefs and habits, that is who I am”. Well it’s not. Both beliefs and habits are mutable to any degree desired. Once one is changed, the person becomes different, their story is different, they live a completely different life experience.
Changing one’s beliefs and habits is all that is needed to change one’s life experience to be absolutely anything, anything that can be imagined, no matter how wild or different. Circumstances will change to match the new beliefs and habits, they must, for circumstances are only in the mirror showing what one IS at the moment, what their beliefs and habits make them to be, what their experience is.
Seth says
… or maybe you are an eagle and i am a tree … no need to tire yourself … no need to be the same and so simple at all.
… or maybe you are an eagle and i am a tree … no need to tire yourself … no need to be the same and so simple at all.
Si says
Oh yes. I fully agree. I selected the elements of Seth out of all that is you to create my version that tires me. It’s all my doing. I do claim it, tiredly!
Oh yes. I fully agree. I selected the elements of Seth out of all that is you to create my version that tires me. It’s all my doing. I do claim it, tiredly!
Seth says
yep
. did you think i did not know?
by the way we create habits all time thought our lives, not just in childhood … habits of eating, habits of feeling, habits of loving, habits of thinking … you, for example, have a habit of telling others to follow LOA.
yep
. did you think i did not know? by the way we create habits all time thought our lives, not just in childhood … habits of eating, habits of feeling, habits of loving, habits of thinking … you, for example, have a habit of telling others to follow LOA.
Seth says
maybe get me more through your senses and less through your selecting and it will be less tiring to you. ← indidentally, and this just occurred to me as a result of that thought,
your getting me more through you senses might just help me with certain feedback loops related to my relationship to being heard.
maybe get me more through your senses and less through your selecting and it will be less tiring to you. ← indidentally, and this just occurred to me as a result of that thought,
your getting me more through you senses might just help me with certain feedback loops related to my relationship to being heard.
Si says
I have a habit of understanding that which I am learning by channeling that information into the answer of others questions and reflecting on it while I do so. It is useful to pretend that you will benefit from this. It makes the whole context sensible and play nicely with the rest of my beliefs and habits. It doesn’t actually matter if you get anything from this or not … as with all things, it is simply my experience and I am selecting the components of the greater you that can match with where my experience is going as I create you in my experience.
Your results, your intentions, your entire reality experience may differ … depending on your needs when you create me in your experience. The things that match at the same time are generally those things that are needed to continue each individuals desired overall experience and keep the context alive.
That’s a good way to use the word “context”. It is the set of elements (beliefs, habits, and circumstances) that are maintained in common during an experience with another or others.
I have a habit of understanding that which I am learning by channeling that information into the answer of others questions and reflecting on it while I do so. It is useful to pretend that you will benefit from this. It makes the whole context sensible and play nicely with the rest of my beliefs and habits. It doesn’t actually matter if you get anything from this or not … as with all things, it is simply my experience and I am selecting the components of the greater you that can match with where my experience is going as I create you in my experience.
Your results, your intentions, your entire reality experience may differ … depending on your needs when you create me in your experience. The things that match at the same time are generally those things that are needed to continue each individuals desired overall experience and keep the context alive.
That’s a good way to use the word “context”. It is the set of elements (beliefs, habits, and circumstances) that are maintained in common during an experience with another or others.
Seth says
yeah “context” works well there for me too.
and it is fine to use me just as you will.
hey, maybe i can send you a kind of lego paper mache mockup of me, so you can use it even when i am not online
yeah “context” works well there for me too
.and it is fine to use me just as you will
. hey, maybe i can send you a kind of lego paper mache mockup of me, so you can use it even when i am not online
Si says
Naw. That would be too much! I’ve got my hands full already with occasional versions of you. Tiring enough sometimes!
Naw. That would be too much! I’ve got my hands full already with occasional versions of you. Tiring enough sometimes!
Seth says
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Seth says
hmmm … inquiry: seems to me that you wold get the tireing feeling when your model of me diverges from what you get of me through your senses. is that true? … or is something else quite different happening over there? ← truly an enquiry … i have no idea what you are actually consciously (or subconsciously) experiencing over there.
hmmm … inquiry: seems to me that you wold get the tireing feeling when your model of me diverges from what you get of me through your senses. is that true? … or is something else quite different happening over there? ← truly an enquiry … i have no idea what you are actually consciously (or subconsciously) experiencing over there.
Si says
Pretty close. People get tired when there is resistance. Resistance is always between the version of something being experienced and the source known version of that. i.e. the ideal version.
So simply put, I get tired when the version of you coming through my senses does not match the ideal version of you I have as a definition … and resist that.
Neither of those versions, what I am experiencing through my senses, or what I have as an ideal definition of you, necessarily match what you are experiencing of you. Your busy doing your own thing with your own definitions and sensory experience and where both of ours do match IS the context of otherness you and I are involved in.
Pretty close. People get tired when there is resistance. Resistance is always between the version of something being experienced and the source known version of that. i.e. the ideal version.
So simply put, I get tired when the version of you coming through my senses does not match the ideal version of you I have as a definition … and resist that.
Neither of those versions, what I am experiencing through my senses, or what I have as an ideal definition of you, necessarily match what you are experiencing of you. Your busy doing your own thing with your own definitions and sensory experience and where both of ours do match IS the context of otherness you and I are involved in.
Seth says
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Seth says
wow
that hangs together well indeed 
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what you call, “the context of otherness you and I are involved in”, i call “what happens that we share”
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by the way, your ideal of me, and my ideal of me, do not match at all … never did … and never will. as far as i know, your ideal of me sucks a big stinky bag …. 
wow
that hangs together well indeed .what you call, “the context of otherness you and I are involved in”, i call “what happens that we share”
.by the way, your ideal of me, and my ideal of me, do not match at all … never did … and never will. as far as i know, your ideal of me sucks a big stinky bag
….
Seth says
now that we apparently have this common term, “the context of otherness you and I are involved in”, i might be able to clarify my original thought that provoked this whole brew-ha-ha. Generalize that term to be independent of just you and i … and you pretty much get what i was referring to as “the wilds of the world”.
You see i have this “ideal” model of you as deeply spiritual … which i translate to in my ontology as deep inside yourself. That ideal model probably sucks just as much as yours of mine. And in my ideal model of myself it is just pretty much the opposite. So that is another way to put my orginal thought, “i think i travel deeper into the wilds of the world than you do”.
Which, strangely enough, i think is fortuitous for us … just because we can better triangulate our consciousness of what is happening … it gives us better stereo separation … 
now that we apparently have this common term, “the context of otherness you and I are involved in”, i might be able to clarify my original thought that provoked this whole brew-ha-ha. Generalize that term to be independent of just you and i … and you pretty much get what i was referring to as “the wilds of the world”.
You see i have this “ideal” model of you as deeply spiritual … which i translate to in my ontology as deep inside yourself. That ideal model probably sucks just as much as yours of mine. And in my ideal model of myself it is just pretty much the opposite. So that is another way to put my orginal thought, “i think i travel deeper into the wilds of the world than you do”.
Which, strangely enough, i think is fortuitous for us … just because we can better triangulate our consciousness of what is happening … it gives us better stereo separation …
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