I do not create 100% of my experience

About: thought 21224 - comment 55553

Nathan originally said …
Makes sense to me. It’s your experience and you created all of it completely. And so the more involved you are with it, the more aware of the parts you are. I believe you can go even further with this and eventually be aware of every single aspect of the creation … it’s all inside you waiting to be exposed.

Seth says ...
if i thought “i created all of my experience completely”, i would be thinking a lie.   Because i would not be including that which affects my experience through my senses from others. 
or said more directly …

i create part of my experience.   the part of of my experience that i do not create is the part which is caused by others.  i notice that part through my senses.

seth

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Seth says
sorry, i can’t untwist that thought in my mind.  let me see if i can just state to the nature of my reality more directly:

i create part of my experience.   the part of of my experience that i do not create is the part which is caused by others.  i notice that part through my senses.

Mark de LA says
Thinking about experience pulls the experience back into your head.  Talking or writing about experience is yet another level removed.  Theorizing about it  …. makes me laugh laughing

Mark de LA says
…  sort of a “waiting for Godot” moment for the World to end. laughing

Seth says
well i kind of agree, but would say it differently “thinking about experience represents the experience in my head to myself”.  talking or writing about it represents it to a different audience. 

Mark de LA says
Still missing is “being present” to the actual experience in full consciousness.  Enjoy the indirect experience & story . thumbs up

Seth says
i don’t understand your context of that statement, Mark.   if we are talking about thinking, and speaking, and writing about an experience,  then “being present to the actual experience in full consciousness” is something that perhaps alredy happened.   seems to me that you are saying we should stop thinking and speaking and writing about our experiences … perhaps even to stop communicating at all.   do you see where i am confused about the thrust of what you think i missed?

Mark de LA says
none of that is it. none true.  being present is a NOW thingy. no need to explain much further.  if you are writing, thinking, speaking, arguing or haggling about what is in NOW then it is the writing, thinking, speaking , agruing or haggling which IS your NOW not any other event or experience

Si says
True that … apparently. wink

It does appear to be your NOW. A lot of it. Maybe more than 90%. I agree completely. No haggling from me. We have full sync on this.  

Si says
You do create 100% of your experience, which is the same thing as reality. I think you are simply confusing the idea of creating 100% of your story, which you do not do, with the idea of creating 100% of your reality. They are not the same thing. Your story has much in it that you include from the experiences of others. It’s like a book. If you are the author, you create the whole experience of the book, but the story inside can have many elements of the experiences of others, even though you do write it all from your perspective, and that’s the difference that matters.  

Seth says
Mark, that is pretty much what i said too.  except that you seem to be dwelling on the times where one is “arguing or haggeling” about experiences … there are other ways to think and talk about something.   i think we both see that thinking and writing about something, is not the experience itself.  It is not being present to what is happening in some NOW.  We have said that to each other quite a number of times now, and read it from gurus, and quite know what it means.  

So no, i do not see what you are saying i missed, because i did not miss that.  It seems irrelivant to what seems like an agreement to me:  
  • you said:  “Thinking about experience pulls the experience back into your head.  Talking or writing about experience is yet another level removed. “
  • i said: “thinking about experience represents the experience in my head to myself, talking or writing about it represents it to a different audience.”
An experience of being present in some now, which  is “pulled back in my head by thinking about it” is not ever the being present in that now … no, it is representing that moment in my head.  And, no, it is not always arguing and haggling. 

Seth says
Well that is a basic discrepancy between our stories.   I create part of my experience, the part i do not is the part i  become aware of through my senses.  It is pretty much the same for my story,  i create part of my story too  (a grand chunk of it indeed), but others contribute too … notably my mother, father, and wife, and even you and mark, and many others. 

Your story of yourself is different from mine.   I do not tell you what your story is … i respect that is for you to do.   You must know by now, that when you tell me about my story as you have above, your words ring false to me. 

Incidentally i agree that creating my experience is not the same thing as creating my story.   We could call the former “reality” (as you have above) , and the later we could call the “metaworld” as i have in  metaworld.  Experience and Story,  reality and metaworld,  interact in amazing ways.  I doubt it will always be possible to tease them apart in our minds.

Mark de LA says
I rarely use the word always – being somewhat brought up with logic. It is just a device for you to disagree with & a part of the NLP Milton or Meta model (for those of us who laenred them). smug

Mark de LA says
Creating your story & acting in it !  Catching yourself doing it – interesting! Abandoning both or all of it is sublime! 

Seth says
Yes interesting indeed ! yes.   

I think i can hint at  a model that matches most of what i have heard here.  It involves having spectrums on various polarities and each individual and group gets to set where they are on the spectrum – almost like a slider switches.   Nathan has one of his set to 100%,  you seem to have some  set to 0%, most of mine hover in the middle.   There are no authoritive settings …  shades of the multiverse indeed.

But amazingly, we still work and live and love together as humanity. 

Mark de LA says
model NOT a NOW or abandoning anything

Seth says
i’m not sure i understand that, Mark.  

anyway i cannot set my “things get represented in my being” slider to 0% when i have my “filter other” set at a sensitive balance … the settings affect each other and will just move to adapt  ← or something like that … am obviously making this up as i type

Mark de LA says
Yep, that’s one you should’a flushed – makes no sense at all 

Seth says
yeah its new … at least to you … but it does make sense to me … just takes a grock … and like i mentioned is just a hint … details are not worked out.

Seth says
you have used “abandoning” twice in your last 2 comments.  in my senario here that would be setting some slider to 0%.  an interesting setting indeed … and as meaningful to you as mine are to me. 

Mark de LA says
Yep!  – first time was the epiphany the second time was trying to lead a wayward intellectual back to the epiphany. If I use it a 3rd time perhaps it is to say “who cares you just missed it”. 

Seth says
being terse can be great and very poignant … but suffers by leaving too much to your audience … for example,  i might be telling you the secret of the multiverse …. here we go, “AZ”,  got it ?  if you put more meet on epiphanies, articulating them in some context, then me thinks they will not be missed out here so very much. 

Seth says
incidentally i think i did get most of your epihinay … did you notice my original , “Yes interesting indeed ! yes“ response?   in fact it lead to my new alternative senario of nathan’s multiverses.  i’m betting you didnt notice, although you deserve the credit indeed.

Seth says
yeah, totally ,  putting “always” in a sentence is a great way to make it ring false … “not always”  however almost always rings true.

then on a different train, you have me at a disadvantage, because i don’t know specifically to what you refer with your new term  which you called “the NPL Milton or Meta model”.   i assume that if you want me to understand what you are saying, you will elaborate.   otherwise you can just take my disadvantage and run away with it  … which is kewl, i wasn’t attached to it anyway.

Mark de LA says
wasn’t 4U – Nate should understand the Milton & Meta models – always? is a way to decompose a belief .

Seth says
yeah 3 way conversations at this deapth are redeculously difficult – probably should be avoided.

Mark de LA says
The epiphany knocks on the door to “I don’t Exist!” – not something to rwg or (any subset thereof) about. Good to abandon that. pondering The next question is WTF is going on then? A model will not be it.

Mark de LA says
OTOH – the more the merrier.  I want to see how the comment & nesting & forking structures in a 3-way or maybe a 10-way works out  

Seth says

Mark de LA says
As far as terse goes I prefer Hemingway to Joyce. 

Seth says
i think the fork should move the entire thread … but i understand that would take quite a bit more work.   see how i had to reconstruct the entire thread of this thought by hand to make the context of the thought complete enough to entirely comprehend even the next day even for myself.

Seth says

Mark de LA says
I’m unclear where the back room is.  I guessed it is a tag room in outer space. 314+ long

Seth says
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Seth says
that worked quit well indeed smiley

Seth says
wow … has anyone else seen the new fade in fade out?

Seth says
well yes undoubatably something amazing is going on … what it is inside and where is outside is kind of arbritrary and just where the line is drawn … that is must be drawn right there, does not exist.

a model represents.  ← i know i am hung up on that (relative to you), but it truly works so very well, quite demonstrably.  

representing does other things too.  it brings spirits (things all the same) into our consciousness so that they can be shared outside the boundary which we can set wherever just according to our freedom.

thing is, representing does even more than that.   representing ends up changing that which is represented. ←  i swear to you this.  maybe hard to see that one if you are not looking where it is happening. 

and don’t take it personally if you dont undersatand or even like this comment.  it is just deep shit inside of me that i got to represent out here externally by your provocation laugh

Si says

Si says
Seth ~! “anyway i cannot set my “things get represented in my being” slider to 0% “.

Awesome thought! Knowing that there is a slider is one step closer to realizing it can be set anywhere.  Not that you personally will, but it’s nice to know that there is a full range available to those who do want to fiddle with the controls.

Seth says

Seth says
exactly ! wink

Si says
Which one? 3.0 has lots of them around.  

Si says
Surely you have seen that on FB? Works pretty much exactly the same here … except that now a branching thought inspired by something in one thread can be ista-forked to a new thought … which is a significant improvement.

Si says
This seems pretty random. Are you simply finding things to clear the red off your “who’s more spiritual” balance sheet between you and I? If so, you should watch the Avengers Movie … good piece on clearing red on your balance sheet in there!  

Seth says
several places … some more dramatic at times than others.  somtimes it is so fast as to be almost unnoticeable … at times it was so slow that i almost got a chance to take a picture of it.

Si says
Okay … cool. It gives the application a more “happening” feel.  

Mark de LA says
Nope! Seth asked. I knew you would grock it having gone to the same cert’ I did rather that make a long explanation.  BTW I get my spiritual pabulum from Epic – great representation of the Akashick Chronicles by Nim Gallou & Obama’s climate science at the same time.
cool

Si says
Yes, Epic is good ontology, I agree. Our kids study it avidly!  

Si says
… and whatever they study will be part of their world when they are adults   

Si says
just like Dick Tracy watches and rocket ships to the moon and hand held tri-corders and self driving electric cars and flying drones and the bulk of the other things you studied as a kid are part of your adult world.

Epic is an excellent bridge between science and the miniature faerie world. You may not live to see it happen, but it will.

Si says
… for we don’t uncover some static reality that is already there … we all build the reality we are experiencing as we go along.  

Si says
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Seth says
yes it does smileyyes

Seth says
yes kind of like a tree grows … but now its a combination of a network and a tree … after seeing how floodleland grew tree like with no restraint, now this gives us the best of both worlds.  not sure people will understand what i mean, but trust me the effect is real.

Seth says
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Si says

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