Who is conscious?

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Seth says ...
no beliefs and no expecting may well be a blissful state of being … is it being conscious?

… i rather think not. 

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Mark de LA says
Easy belief to let go. null

Seth says
i think this is a valid question … quite apart from the context in which it emerged.

it is a question about the nature of consciousness. 

if you met someone who was in a blissful state of no beliefs and no expectations … would you consider them conscious?  how would you tell?  

Seth says
null null … so what?  … to me, your response, seemes like misplaced Zen … and a convenient way for you to avoid answering the question.

Mark de LA says
I didn’t realize there was more than a statement there.  Misplaced Zen? Sounds like an attitude which dispels any thought that you might actually grock Zen. Nirvana, Satori, Ekagrata & other states of consciousness not limited by beliefs & expectations are what they are. Unless you attain to them your casting dispersions or limiting them is just running into your own belief system & limitations.  Try a contemplation intensive with PR for an answer to the question “Who is conscious?” When you find out you may appreciate that words fail to communicate what that is. Any answer can be open-ended.yielding deeper questioning. 

Mark de LA says

Mini-Cast Episode 15: How to grasp what is written.

Peter Ralston podcast.
 

Mark de LA says
May fit the content of 21412 as well.null

Si says
Well, a more interesting question to me is why would you need to tell?

On a related thought … Abraham says that people with downs syndrome are actually highly intelligent and evolved beings able to stay in their own blissful state and their own business … which manifests to the rest of us as downs syndrome because we are not able match to their vibrational state. Ever notice that virtually all the people with downs syndrome you have seen are not only happy, but well fed, well taken care of, and often doing exactly what they want to be doing? If only we could all “have that” huh?  

Seth says

Seth says
“Consciousness” is a peculiar kind of word in our language.   It is not like “chair” or “table” or “happy” or “straight”.  When we use those words to each other we are usually quite sure to what they point … we can reliably expect that our audience has experienced those things pretty much just as have we ourselves.  But that is not the case with this word “consciouness”. 

We see this happening in how present company disagrees on the nature of consciousness.   But it is not just us … the usage of “consciousness” is just as disparate as the cultures themselves.  For example a neurosurgeon will conduct tests  after operating on the person’s brain and will record the state of the patien’t “consiousness” in their medical chart.  Are they talking about the same thing that mark does when he talks about Nirvana as a state of consciousness.   ← i think not.

to be continued … probably better to wait till i am finished before responding

 

Mark de LA says

Mark de LA says
A fascinating thugoht occurred in the AM contemplation – reflecting on the life of Helen Keller helps assist the thoguht & that is most communication about consciousness involves the sight & sound channels. What about the other 3 physical channels of touch, taste & smell ? What is my consciousness as I explore those senses? What is going on consciousness-wise in a human being funneled through touch – for example?

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