Interesting Contemplation

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Date: November 23, 2016Author: Peter Ralston0 Comments

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  1. feelings
  2. human
  3. hmmm
  4. PR
  5. feeling
  6. RS
  7. btw
  8. GW
  9. IDoNotKnow
  10. okay
  11. KeepingItReal
  12. LOA
  13. MakeShitUp

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Seth says

Mark de LA says
As an aside & also: (+++)  I have rarely noticed, if ever,  PR telling anyone what to think or believe.null

Seth says

Seth says
I like the exercises nullnull.

When i experience a feeling, a emotion, a qualia, i know what it is by virture of the experience.  It is direct.  i feel yellow or love or gratitude directly … like feeling that i am moving, vibrating in a specific way.  Knowing a story about a experience of a feeling, can frequently change that feeling to a different feeling. 

Mark de LA says
qualia , emotion & feeling are distinct words : the first is more clinical philosophical latin, the second is active causing motion & the third is passive – almost as much of a surprise as a thought showing up – all of them soul experiences – the story comes about when the soul desires meaning & manufactures one .

Seth says

Seth says
each word refers to the same thing but with different aspects of it.   for example a Spoc might tell one story arout his emotion but another about his qualia of sombody touching him.   the experience itself being the same. 

i think we can see that on the national stage too.  #Trump’s winning had a feeling to me … i can tell different stories about it and about the future … each creates a different feeling in me.   Others all over the country are experiencing similar feelings.  some are more or less persistant than mine.

Mark de LA says
Please leave politics out of this . Different aspects of one thing or different things may just be an ontological discussion without resolution.  Some say the Universe is all just one WORD! null

Seth says
Well i am certainly aware of, experience,  different aspects of the same things.   For example the couch on which i sit.  One aspect of it is that it is fashoned to the confrot of my body.  Another is that it is positioned so that i can watch’ tv while i am waiting for things to happen in the kitchen and easily type on my laptop to you.  Another …. omg i can go on and on.  The same couch is unextricatably involved in all of those aspects … all of those contexts … the threads with all of those other things.   the same goes for the feeling i got when i read your response to me … one aspect of it was gratitutude to you for engaging me.   thank you mark null 

Mark de LA says

Seth says
another thing to note about #feelings/emotions/qualia is, of three aspects of my humanity  –  thought,feeling, and deed –   #feelings is the most personally private and diffucult to experess of the three ... yet it is still the most important part the drama to me.  without my peculair emotions i would not be me … without them at all i would not call myself being #human.

Mark de LA says
Hence the exercise may be goodie for expanding one’s consciousness! 

Seth says

Si says
Feelings are the bodies response to a thought – Eckhart Tolle

Feelings are another sense organ – Bashar

Feelings are telling you the discriminatory difference between your thought and you inner being, your vortex self. Positive feelings mean your current thought is in alignment with your greater desire. Negative feelings mean your current thought is contrary to your greater desire. The wide range of different types of feelings help you know how to adjust your thought in the right direction at any moment. Since your thoughts create your next reality, feelings are there so you don’t have to monitor your thoughts. That is already happening for you in the larger system of your being and feelings are the very specific feedback allowing you to adjust your thoughts in real time. Simply learn to adjust your thoughts according to your feelings and you will be in for a hell of a joyful ride! – Abraham

These 3 are totally compatible and describe a complete picture of what feelings/emotions are, why we have them, what to do with them, and how to relate to them in both self and others. It really is just this simple ... and not rocket science.  

You won’t get the truth of this unless you accept it, and try it, and watch and learn by applying it to your own feelings and thoughts. Thinking about it only won’t get you anywhere because feelings are not thought, they are a response to thought … if you don’t think that is so, you are thinking about it to much. Feel it instead, you will discover it’s truth … then feelings will be a simple subject for you.

Mark de LA says
#hmmm. As an aside & also: (+++)  I have rarely noticed, if ever,  PR telling anyone what to think or believe.null  I like that!!! null One may discover whatever through contemplation – usually more truth without preconceived notions. null  Maybe throw out the first 100 suggestions from others. null

Seth says

Si says
Well mark, people are always going to do and think what they do. No one has to worry about that. The best information disseminators know that well and don’t play the “word correct” game. People are here for the experiences they are having and they will find a way to have them with or without you. You, you as a guru, you as a teacher, you as an experiencer, you as anything at all, only need to worry about being authentic in what you do and say … beyond that, those who are here for your message will find you, and those here for someone elses’s message will find them.

Si says
p.s. You are here for my message, because YOU are reading this.   

Si says
… and p.p.s.  I have noticed #PR telling people what to believe. He actually does it quite often. You mark, simply have easy ways to reconcile what he says with your own beliefs such that it appears to you that he is not speaking in beliefs, but simply speaking the truth. Others, who don’t have his beliefs, would find him quite authoritative in his outporing of information. Sometimes, that’s even me.

I don’t give you the luxury of syncing up with my beliefs. I make sure you win what you believe by your own journey, your own effort, your own thoughts and emotional responses. You will get what I tell you when you take the journey yourself, not before. That is my particular way. I am not #PR or anyone else, I am Nathan Seven Bawden Russell d’Artagnan Evergreen Barbosa.  

Seth says
Well logically i call something sensing if it recieves from outside my being and incorporates it inside my being.   As such #feeling is not sensing because frequently they deal with that which is already inside my being.  Now that may be just  a linguistic quibble,  but i cannot think within your story of #feeling with that conflict being there. 

I know i feel things that are not just responses to thoughts.  I feel about things that happen which i have never thought about happening.  So it would be contra factual for me to think using that asumption about #feelings.

It would be  very strange for me to believe a though before i do.  So that words like “You won’t get the truth of this unless you accept it” ring with a bit of humor null.  

But yes i will try everything and am constantly learning.   How my feelings interact with my thoughts, deeds, and the experiences that i encounter are certainly one of the primary charateristics of who i am … i seriously doubt that everybody else feels in just the very same way. 
 

Si says
That’s a whole lot of thought about it. As I said, you won’t get it by thinking about it. Your well worn thought ruts will keep you from ever having the experience.

Seth says
Conversation forked to thought 22409

Si says

I know i feel things that are not just responses to thoughts.  I feel about things that happen which i have never thought about happening. ~ circa Seth

If you give it all a fair and authentic chance, you will get to a point where you can follow the trails and tendrils of thought to every feeling. Right now, you don’t see them, only because you have not developed the facility to do so. Do you realize that #RS’s rose cross medition does exactly this? It develops one’s ability to connect thoughts and emotions and see their whole relationship outside of common experience. Nothing is new here, what Abraham and Tolle and Bashar are teaching is the same thing Steiner and those much older than Steiner taught. It’s all the same … just keeps getting a new face as times move along.

Seth says
Well all you are really saying is that you know this and you presume that i do not.  There is no other message in what you say here.  You are trading on your own presumed wisdom relative to my own.   All you are saying to me is that i should have faith in you, instead of myself.   You are presuming the postition of a Guru, or a Jesus,  or a Abraham, or a Ghandi to me.   Me, i call that an ego transaction.  If you respected me … respectected my othersnes to you,  you would speak just for yourself and not continually try to speak for me.  But your own philosophy tells us, repeated here time and again, that you create me yourself.   So you are oblivious to the real me … you have no sense (outside → inside) of my ego yourself … to you it does not exist … or if it does, it is irrelivant to you … you much prefer the ego of me that you make up yourself.

#btw  #GW said there is a sense of ego … others people’s … maybe Steiner did too, #IDoNotKnow.  But in any case it might be interesting to read some what they actually said in this regard into the record here.   Maybe some people have this sense …. maybe others not so very much … Maybe to some it is all just themself all the way down.   You know the term,  “it is turtules all the way down”. 

#btw i started with #RS’s rose cross medition long long ago and have done it many times.  It does not connect thoughts to emotions in general for me.  Nor did #RS say that it does.  That is just your own interpertation.  I find it strange that you bring it up in this context.   Could you describe how you do this meditation such that it connects emotions to thoughts?   The closest thing i personally get from it is similar to Mark’s rose growing out of a manuer pile.  For me it grants access to a  Christ spirit inspirationaly.  I do believe that is consistent with what #RS said about it as a meditation step to initiation. 

Si says
Bullshit. You responded to none of the content I said. You are stuck in your box forever doing a left hand turn, like a Nascar race driver. I am tired of your forever looping.

Seth says
#okay … then why not run, run away.  Not your business after all … even when you strike others with your nausious self null

… and #KeepingItReal outside of your ego transaction, what did you really say … that i did not fully acknowledge?   Maybe highlight it … because i read carefully, but maybe i did miss it.

Si says
Content:

Feelings are the bodies response to a thought – Eckhart Tolle

Feelings are another sense organ – Bashar

Feelings are telling you the discriminatory difference between your thought and you inner being, your vortex self. Positive feelings mean your current thought is in alignment with your greater desire. Negative feelings mean your current thought is contrary to your greater desire. The wide range of different types of feelings help you know how to adjust your thought in the right direction at any moment. Since your thoughts create your next reality, feelings are there so you don’t have to monitor your thoughts. That is already happening for you in the larger system of your being and feelings are the very specific feedback allowing you to adjust your thoughts in real time. Simply learn to adjust your thoughts according to your feelings and you will be in for a hell of a joyful ride! – Abraham

These 3 are totally compatible and describe a complete picture of what feelings/emotions are, why we have them, what to do with them, and how to relate to them in both self and others. It really is just this simple ... and not rocket science.  
 

Seth says
Well logically i call something sensing if it recieves from outside my being and incorporates it inside my being.   As such #feeling is not sensing because frequently they deal with that which is already inside my being.  Now that may be just  a linguistic quibble,  but i cannot think within your story of #feeling with that conflict being there. 

I know i feel things that are not just responses to thoughts.  I feel about things that happen which i have never thought about happening.  So it would be contra factual for me to think using that asumption about #feelings.

It would be  very strange for me to believe a though before i do.  So that words like “You won’t get the truth of this unless you accept it” ring with a bit of humor null.  

But yes i will try everything and am constantly learning.   How my feelings interact with my thoughts, deeds, and the experiences that i encounter are certainly one of the primary charateristics of who i am … i seriously doubt that everybody else feels in just the very same way. 
 

Si says
Why are we going thought this Seth? Your not doing anything and your not going to do anything. Your just logicing the shit out of what I say to keep your limitations. You can learn to be able to see the full connections between every thought and every corresponding emotion. Just like building new muscle memory and skill, you have to do it. If you don’t, you won’t be able to see it, and for whatever reason you have decided not to. What else is to be said?

Si says
Do the rose cross mediation if you don’t like the #LOA way, loa is easier btw. But the rose cross works just as good to build the needed sight.

Or don’t. I don’t want to keep going in circles … I don’t like watching Nascar anymore than I like watching you circle at the boundaries of your box, your limitations.

Seth says
your loop, not mine.  maybe try listening to what i said in response to you, rather than repeating the ego transaction as if it would have another outcome.   i do not like people #MakeShitUp about me.  Speak for yourself and let me speak for me. 

Si says
There is no ego transaction. That is the whole point. You are, right now, playing with you own ego, just like Mark does with his rwg shit. I have only been authentic and direct … telling you exactly what I know and what I know you can do. You just don’t like to hear it that way … and since I am not engaging your ego … you are engaging your own.

Mark de LA says
I wonder why you two continue to have the same conversation no matter what thought you are attaching it to null … pull my finger → 

Si says
Conversation forked to thought 22410

Mark de LA says

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