What are the facts ... and what do we make up that we can share ...

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Miami says ...

Nope. There are no facts of nature which will obtain regardless of what one believes. If a fact appears to do so, it is only because you don’t actually and truly believe it. Wishing for something is not the same as believing something.

Whatever you actually believe is what actually happens, always. There are no exceptions. Even if what you believe is “that there are facts of nature which will obtain regardless of what we believe”, then you will have such an experience. Take any experience anyone is having and break it down to the actual root beliefs for that person and you will find, always, that the experience that person is having is matching the beliefs that person holds … even if those beliefs are different from yours or anothers.

You may have a stronger vibration than another, but the other’s experience cannot be pulled into the circumstances of your stronger vibration unless the other has beliefs that will allow them into those circumstances. If they do not, then reality will diverge for both of you at that point (anything from simple misdirection to seeing different things and all the way to death). Some set of circumstances will resolve the incompatible vibrations and beliefs in one way or another. Watch Mr. Magoriums Wonder Emporium for an excellent example of how this phenomena can play out in our world here.

also Miami says ...

So do you make up everything you experience. You just don’t call it that because part of what you make up is the idea that you will be among others who agree with what you are making up hence making it seem like you all see the same thing. In fact, you each made everything up and have agreed on a few details of it, that’s all. Pick anyone and start making a list with them of everything each of you is experiencing. You will quickly discover that only a few things on each of your lists is anything like close. Everything else, is just your own private reality, and so are the similar things you both have agreed to make up the same. You just are making up that they are actually the same thing.

tag #share #shareing #SharingExperience #happen

cc nathan

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Seth says
… which is exactly why …

i go with what happens that we share.

seth ~2016

i can make stuff all day long and twice on sundays … the stuff that i believe, the stuff that i let affect what i think, feel and do, is the stuff that i can share with other beings.

Seth says
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Seth says

Take any experience anyone is having and break it down to the actual root beliefs for that person and you will find, always, that the experience that person is having is matching the beliefs that person holds …

nathan

Well yes of course, … if the person believes their experience.

The question is which came first, the belief or the experience … which causes which.

Can a person change what they experience by changing their belief?
Well yes, there are many expamples of changing belief and changing what one subjectively experiences.

Can a person have believed something different at the moment and have changed what actually happened as observed objectively by another.
I don’t think so. I know of no examples of that.

Belief only effects a being’s internal subjective experiences.

Now what constitutes a being is not necessarily bounded by the skins of individuals.   In a group of people strongly interacting positively with each other, the strongest beliefs of the group will act to form what people in the group experience. But they cannot change copper to gold as objectively tested by a person outside of the group, regardless of how strongly they believe they can.

Si says
All of your “cant’s” are simply “your beliefs”. I have experienced some of those because I believe they are possible. Your use the terms subjective and objective is a slippery slope. Really there is only the experience that one has and it is a continuum, not a binary either or. Inside and outside are only different points of view upon one’s own experience.

Belief affects one’s experience. It doesn’t matter if it is so called inside or outside, spiritual or material, heaven or hell. There is only one’s experience of the moment. That is all anyone has. If I have the experience of changing copper to gold, you can share that experience exactly to the degree you believe it is possible, and if you don’t believe that, our experiences will differ. I will see it happen. You won’t. By some set of circumstances that interweaves our beliefs. Again, a good example of how this works in the real world and daily life can be seen in the movie Mr. Magoriums Wonder Emporium.

Seth says

Inside and outside are only different points of view upon one’s own experience.

nathan

You say to refuse to be objective and get out of yourself.

To use one of mark’s concepts … too much #juice inside

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