An Event is something that the news reports on



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Mark de LA says
i wonder if one could get all of this into a mix of quads

Lisa Cox says
Mark 2005-12-24 12:50:38 2339
i wonder if one could get all of this into a mix of quads

From my research, I identified an event as a 7-tuple:
Hypothesis: An Event is a 7-ary relation:
Event(Agent, Action, Instrument, Object, Recipient, Method, Context)
I didn't do much modeling of Context, but I identified the need for at least a 5-tuple:
Context(temporalLocation, spatialLocation, abstractLocation, functionOrPurpose, efficacyMeasurment)
If I'm trying to map mine onto your drawing, my agent can be a who, the recipient can be a who, and the object can be a who or a what.  I suppose even the instrument could be a who if you use one person against another. 
Maybe mine would be Who did What to Whom/What using Whom/What (instrument/tool) with What Method for Whose benefit in What Context?
I think my Context encompasses your where and when and part of your how.  Your why is inside both my purpose(context) and recipient.  How seems a mapping to my instrument, action, and method.
This was only tangential to my research, though, so I'm no expert, and I have no clue if this would be at all useful to you.
Seth is the expert at translating into quads, so I'll leave all that to him.
Most mathematicians think I'm a sloppy hacker.  Most hackers think I'm too theoretical.  I don't fit in anywhere, so I must be a moderate, right?
I want to interact with move developers so that I'll commit fewer "assume a spherical sheep" offences. 

Mark de LA says
Once you have answered the basic questions: who, what , when, where, why, how & a few others like IS? a basic journalist would have a story maybe a even a scientist or engineer. Now events map into super & sub events in a very complex structure. All of that maps into many to many relationships. I noticed that very few news articles could be combed for the basic pieces easily with AI or otherwise. It's a basic information extraction problem.



Seth says
Mark 2005-12-24 12:50:38 2339
i wonder if one could get all of this into a mix of quads

Of course i've always speculated, as you know, that anything that can be thought in language can be represented (and even perhaps computed) in quads.  That is pretty much what Cyc was trying to do too.  I haven't heard much about that lately ... Google seems to be taking a more stastical approach.

For example here is some of the stuff i was doing about 11 years ago when i was discussing things on the ontology group with Lisa ... these diagrams can be directly translated into quads.  This particular mentograph expresses two different mind sets considering something similar to the predicament i mentioned in this frame




Lisa Cox says
seth 2012-09-29 18:00:54 2339
snip
Of course i've always speculated, as you know, that anything that can be thought in language can be represented (and even perhaps computed) in quads. 
I remember a proof that anything that can be represented in any length tuple can be translated to triples, so I'm sure that anything that can be represented in a tuple can be more easily translated to quads. 
I vaguely remember us having a discussion about triples not being enough for some types of knowledge, but the content of that discussion escapes me at the moment.
That is pretty much what Cyc was trying to do too. I haven't heard much about that lately ... Google seems to be taking a more stastical approach.
I spent some of my online time today trying to track down the relations in the Open Cyc ontology.  I can't find any human readable documentation.  They do have two tools available that will mine the ontology for free download, but I haven't done that yet.  They also *sell* classes in how to understand and use Open Cyc.  I'm not yet ready to give them any money, though.
For example here is some of the stuff i was doing about 11 years ago when i was discussing things on the ontology group with Lisa ... these diagrams can be directly translated into quads. This particular mentograph expresses two different mind sets considering something similar to the predicament i mentioned in this frame
See, I told you Seth was the expert.  With both the mentographs and the quads.

Mark de LA says
I wonder what a commentary log would then be ?  meaning? interpretation? right/left/other? what are the categories of comments & commentors exclusive of the facts & what happened?

Seth says
What added features do you see in a  “commentary log” that are not already present in the actual comments that happen on thoughts here in #ThinkingDomains ?

Mark de LA says
They are uncategorized null just authored & incomplete from the big picture such as my event log.

Seth says
well #hashtag’s catagorize and relate comments together. 

“the big picture”, as you put it,  is a #gestalt deep inside some particular individual … that is untill that #BigPicture gets #represent’ed and finds #resonance amoung a context of individuals. 

I interperte your quest as being a search for a structure of a  media in which to  represent that #BigPicture  such that it might gain even more  attention and/or more #resonance.   

I still don’t see why not to use what comments happen themselves as that media.

Mark de LA says
Good Luck ! Why not just claim the Internet as your design & quit there. null

Seth says
Well using the deatils of existance directly rather than dealing with them indirectly through a model has worked #swimingly for me whenever i actually can do it.   I like direct … and eliminate unnecessary indirections whvever i notice that i can. 

but i do not see how what you said connects to what i said, mark

Mark de LA says
try harder!

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